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Riordan defends his views before tough GOP crowd in San Jose (CA GOP Convention Day 2)
San Jose Mercury News ^ | 9 February 2002

Posted on 02/09/2002 6:02:41 PM PST by CounterCounterCulture

Edited on 04/13/2004 3:29:10 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

SAN JOSE, Calif. - Republican gubernatorial candidate Richard Riordan attempted Saturday to calm the doubts of party conservatives about his loyalty.

Riordan faced Secretary of State Bill Jones and businessman Bill Simon, along with an audience of the GOP's most faithful activists, during a debate at the Republican state convention less than a month before the March 5 primary.


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To: nickcarraway
Riordan is making it easy to come up with original slogans:

Riordan Tells GOP: Surrender or lose!

Riordan: Nominate Me or I'll Give Again to Davis!

Riordan: Democrats Love Me!

But the best slogan is mine:

Put Simon First -- JUST SAY NO TO RIORDAN

21 posted on 02/09/2002 7:19:00 PM PST by Theodore R.
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To: Theodore R.
I am amazed that Riordan is leading in the CA polls considering his age and lack of charisma. He is defying the stereotype of the ideal media candidate -- which stresses looks, clothing, external things.

Well, all I can say is:

Put Simon First -- JUST SAY NO TO RIORDAN. Now, Californians, isn't that easy????

22 posted on 02/09/2002 7:22:06 PM PST by Theodore R.
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To: David; torie; goldstategop; sabertooth
Right, although I don't even think it's 35%, but if it is then it's a pretty big tent...

But with Riordan talking about a "living wage" whereby even $12 an hour is "not enough" he is insulting the economic conservatives. And for standing up to the social conservatives in the process, he shouldn't have much of a chance at all with the base.

But since he's leading in the polls, it seems that Torie has a point. Riordan doesn't seem to be hurting from his positions, which makes me think it's less than 35% in this "base" and that the majority don't really care about either economics or abortion, or actually agree with him!

When is the primary? and can voters cross parties for statewide elections? Maybe he is hoping to get crossover votes from disaffected Democrats?

23 posted on 02/09/2002 7:22:22 PM PST by monkeyshine
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To: Torie
Yeah right. Tell that to Al Checchi (sp) who ended up spending $44 for every vote he received.
24 posted on 02/09/2002 7:23:02 PM PST by GuillermoX
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To: Theodore R.
He is defying the stereotype of the ideal media candidate -- which stresses looks, clothing, external things.

He's the most liberal Republican in the field, so he's a media darling.


25 posted on 02/09/2002 7:26:24 PM PST by Sabertooth
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To: Theodore R.
Your posts remind me of an old Barney Miller episode where the detectives arrested some guy who was running for local office in NYC. The guy's name was Royce, and his slogan was, "Vote for Royce, the people's candidate."
26 posted on 02/09/2002 7:35:16 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Theodore R.
I will be voting for Simon.
27 posted on 02/09/2002 7:36:33 PM PST by Orange Peel
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To: CounterCounterCulture
There are millions of disenfranchised conservative voters who have been shut out of the process in a state run by goon squads in the Democraticparty. They have tuned out the GOP because the party is afraid to dealwith the very effective barrage of insults and false labels used as assault weapons: terms like "bigot", "homophobe", "right wing fanatic", "intolerant" and "hateful".

Rather than engage in objective debate focused on the facts and the truth of real human and financial situations, such as the extraordinary burdens placed on the California taxpayer as a result of illegal immigrants (nicely changed to undocumented workers), the GOP backs down and stays as quiet on the subject as the other guys. Yet we all know that if you treat huge debts and expenses as if they don't exist, you go bankrupt, or you subvert the truth and cook the books to produce a reality that suits your agenda. This is one example of how Davis has distorted the facts, while dipping deeper into our pockets.

But, we're not supposed to talk about it. Hush Hush. And anyone who addresses it is a hateful bigot. Such cowardice is a huge reason why voters who would show up in droves for a legit person like Simon, and help to make a mockery of Riordan's hypocrisy, will instead tune out....again. I guess this is the way the control freaks, lobbyists, and suits in Sacramento continue to prevent any substantive change in a borderline marxist state.

I know that progress occurs incrementally, not immediately. But we the voters have tried to make statements that still cannot be translated into an honest connection with moral leaders who exhibit and practice integrity. Props 187 and 209 have been either sent to the dustheap by a liberal judge or end-around boards of regents. Prop 22, by a 61% margin, surely ripe for an advocate in the governor's race to seize as an expression of a value system that has worked for 2000 years, instead is subject to continual attack, most recently by the temporarily tabled AB1338. Staged jihads and "alternative lifestyles" now pass for curricula in the public school systems, but God help any administrator who says a single word about a Christian value.

To tell you the truth, I never thought it was possible to see so much degradation and intentional subversion of the laws and the processes of government than I have witnessed here in my beloved state. I am a hopeful person, not willing yet to give in and appease for the sake of winning some pyrrhic victory. I am voting for Bill Simon as he does seem to connect directly with the belief system and the values of almost everyone I know on my block here in Mission Viejo.

It's too bad that the media thought police have by and large obstructed this information from widespread distribution. Most of the same people I described have no idea who Bill Simon is, and perhaps the party fathers here in California want nothing more than to run things the same way Jesse Unruh would have.

The lifeless, flatline GOP could end the Dems' game of racial gothcha in an instant - the very nanosecond the GOP makes it clear that both sides will henceforth be playing by the same rules. But they are too timid. They could bring into the polls the MAJORITY of conservative people if they knew someone would finally support all of the issues that scream for legitimate advocacy: immigration, closing the borders, language, family, but people stay away because every election it's the same thing. The GOP have become undetakers at a funeral home.

The only legimate candidate is Simon. Even the GOP gathering at the Fremont Hotel this weekend has Riordan shutting down the straw poll because he knows that it would reveal him for the fraud that he is. But the GOP is willing to appease the liberals and back an outright sellout like Riordan. Like Neville Chamberlain in 1938, liberalism and not standing your ground for what you believe in, is appeasement. And appeasement always leads to slavery.

28 posted on 02/09/2002 7:37:34 PM PST by gohabsgo
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To: goldstategop
it would seem he is just one more republiscam.
29 posted on 02/09/2002 7:53:09 PM PST by IRtorqued
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To: goldstategop
Most of success in life is just showing up. Riordan had to show up, or get bad publicity. He showed up for the debate no? Was it televised? By showing up, he got publicity. He would be delusional if he thought he was going to change anyone's mind, particularly with an activist hard conservative crowd.
30 posted on 02/09/2002 7:54:25 PM PST by Torie
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To: Sabertooth
Are you talking about the primary or the general?
31 posted on 02/09/2002 7:54:54 PM PST by Torie
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To: Torie
Either.


32 posted on 02/09/2002 7:57:07 PM PST by Sabertooth
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To: Dan from Michigan
California is a huge and anonymous state, with limited social interconnections, and where not knowing your neighbor is considered normal. That is the trend in a lot of places, but it is most pronounced and advanced in California. Volunteers don't matter much. Money does. Plus of course image and ideology and the state of play of the issues.
33 posted on 02/09/2002 7:57:37 PM PST by Torie
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To: monkeyshine
Independents can vote in either primary. About 20% of the electorate are in that category.
34 posted on 02/09/2002 7:58:57 PM PST by Torie
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To: Sabertooth
Normally, someone as liberal as Riordan wouldn't have a chance in the primary. But the party is dispirited, and the bulk of the office holders decided to go for him. Jones and Simon are flawed candidates. Probably a majority of Republicans know their candidacies are hopeless in the general, or think that. And they want to get rid of Davis in a way I don't. Rioridan's ace in the hole however is that Simon and Jones will split the party regular vote.

I think Riordan will lose in the general unless voters are given some other reason to get mad at Davis, because I think he will be percieved as past his prime and too old, and not facile enough in handling the nuances of issues. He comes off a bit fuzzy. Davis will cut him up bad in the debates.

I guess what I am saying is that Davis will be re-elected. Does that help?

35 posted on 02/09/2002 8:03:47 PM PST by Torie
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To: Torie
I guess what I am saying is that Davis will be re-elected. Does that help?

Yeah, but I would add that I think it'll be close. If it is, I think that a poor performance with the base will be integral in his defeat.


36 posted on 02/09/2002 8:10:52 PM PST by Sabertooth
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To: Torie
I guess what I am saying is that Davis will be re-elected. Does that help?

Yeah, but I would add that I think it'll be close. If it is, I think that a poor performance with the base will be integral in Riordan's defeat.

Sorry for the lack of clarity.


37 posted on 02/09/2002 8:12:34 PM PST by Sabertooth
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To: Sabertooth
Well I won't be voting for him, but then I ain't the base. :) He will run far better than Simon though, and a bit better than Jones. And if he shows that he still has it, he might win because he will pull a huge number of white liberals into his camp, who think Davis is too moderate, cautious and secretive, and enjoy the thought of electing an anti-Republican Republican. The normal flow of vote patterns will be severely disrupted.
38 posted on 02/09/2002 8:15:48 PM PST by Torie
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To: Orange Peel
all in California will suffer if it is not fixed.

That is California's look out. By DIABLOizing California, Riordan is a danger to the national Republican Party, to the survival of the USA, and to the well being of the human race. If California has to go on suffering to save humanity, so be it.

39 posted on 02/09/2002 8:24:54 PM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
Riordan would be flattered as to the importance you ascribe to him methinks. The human race is in his hands.
40 posted on 02/09/2002 8:27:15 PM PST by Torie
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