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Riordan defends his views before tough GOP crowd in San Jose (CA GOP Convention Day 2)
San Jose Mercury News ^ | 9 February 2002

Posted on 02/09/2002 6:02:41 PM PST by CounterCounterCulture

Edited on 04/13/2004 3:29:10 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

SAN JOSE, Calif. - Republican gubernatorial candidate Richard Riordan attempted Saturday to calm the doubts of party conservatives about his loyalty.

Riordan faced Secretary of State Bill Jones and businessman Bill Simon, along with an audience of the GOP's most faithful activists, during a debate at the Republican state convention less than a month before the March 5 primary.


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To: Sloth
"If it's not murder then why the #3!! would it be wrong??!! "

"Murder" is a legal term. You may be confusing the term "kill" with "murder".

Congress and the state legislatures determine which types of "killings" will be defined as "murder".

We "kill" people in war, but that isn't "murder". We "kill" people when the state executes convicted murders, but that isn't "murder". We "kill" people in self-defense, but that isn't "murder". Police "kill" people fleeing from them, but that isn't "murder".

Before Roe v. Wade, some states classified abortion as a degree of "murder", but alas, now it is not "murder", even though it is still killing innocent life.

81 posted on 02/10/2002 9:20:23 AM PST by bayourod
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NEW THREAD:
California GOP debate gets better in round two
(Fresno Bee article)

A little more in depth coverage of the debate.

82 posted on 02/10/2002 9:26:13 AM PST by CounterCounterCulture
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Riordan blasted by GOP rivals (Sac Bee article)

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"I noticed that people had 'Riordan in November' buttons on today -- RINO buttons," Riordan said at one point, drawing laughter from the audience. It was a humorous reference to the RINO movement at the convention -- "Republican in name only" -- targeted at Riordan, including an anti-Riordan activist dressed as a rhinoceros roaming the hallways.

83 posted on 02/10/2002 9:46:18 AM PST by CounterCounterCulture
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To: goldstategop
"bILLclinton's good looks" I have never understood those who claim that bILLclinton is "handsome." I have never seen anything that would make me think he is handsome. Before he turned 55, Dan Quayle used to be "handsome," but bILLclinton, NO!
84 posted on 02/10/2002 10:42:16 AM PST by Theodore R.
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To: Theodore R.
Anyway, back to the topic:

Put Simon First --

JUST SAY NO TO RIORDAN

85 posted on 02/10/2002 10:46:49 AM PST by Theodore R.
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To: Carry_Okie
With respect, how do you see the California GOP making deep inroads into the Chicano vote with an eye toward taking a majority of it? Not everyone who favors border control is a racist but can you really say that there are not many supporters of border control who want very much to have, an America and a California which will look white in 50 years? Can you confidently reject the idea that Planned Barrenhood Republican contributors (of whom there are many) are not enthusiastic for border control to preserve the racial status quo? If the California GOP cannot make deep inroads into the Chicano vote, the California GOP is toast. It is being snookered by the Demonrats who take advantage of subtle racism by encouraging abortion among the poor and who nonetheless benefit from a public perception that the GOP hates Hispanics.
86 posted on 02/10/2002 11:08:09 AM PST by BlackElk
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To: Torie
My apologies if, as you say, I was wrong about the number of Chicanos on the Orange County Board of Supervisors. Your info seems more specific than mine. I thought I had recalled a New York Times article to that effect. I know I saw a NYT article last year interviewing conservative Hispanic business people who had switched from Republican to Demonrat because they were furious with Wilson and that proposition.
87 posted on 02/10/2002 11:12:48 AM PST by BlackElk
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To: bayourod
"Murder" is a legal term. You may be confusing the term "kill" with "murder".

I define murder as unjustified, non-accidental killing. Are you saying it would be impossible to murder someone in the absence of a government definition?

88 posted on 02/10/2002 11:14:14 AM PST by Sloth
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To: bayourod
Don't be too intimidated by the rule of law here. If the legislature or the judiciary declares a coffee table to be a boiled egg, I would not depend upon their accuracy to the point of biting into it. My teeth would still discover its qualities as an end table.

The courts and the legislatures can call abortion an act of hang-gliding or a snuggle with your pet cat but it is still the slaughter of a preborn child.

89 posted on 02/10/2002 11:16:48 AM PST by BlackElk
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To: BlackElk
Actually, of course, its qualities as a COFFEE table.
90 posted on 02/10/2002 11:22:01 AM PST by BlackElk
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To: BlackElk
With all due respect, I think your racial bias is what is showing here, as well as a penchant to believe the race-mongerers' propaganda. This isn't a matter of racial demographics to me or to many of my contemporaries, it's socio-economic reality.

If you can't convert socially conservative, God-fearing Hispanics into taxpaying Republicans, all you will get is a dependent class of Democraps pounded through lousy Spanish-speaking schools, crowding impoverished dirty cities, and hell-bent on a reconquista. That conversion (i.e. assimilation) takes an investment of time and money: training in English, job training, capital accumulation, and infrastructure. At the rate Mexican citizens are coming in now, it can't happen, whether by wage suppression or simple lack of money for adequate public services. I think a large number of (especially second generation) Hispanics understand that. Acquiring control of that rate function takes border control.

What other race than white Americans in any other country has tolerated giving preferential advantage to foreigners over their own children in employment, public services, and education? What other race than white Americans in any other country has tolerated the destruction of their schools by an influx of so many foreign born kids that there are ten languages spoken in a classroom? It is a pity that Blacks so resent the success of Koreans and Latinos without recognizing their own contributions to their social disorders. It is laugable that Hispanics wail about the Asian take-over of Monterey Park and Garden Grove. Who are the racists here?

Finally, I want you to confront what the current State looks like to this fifth-generation Californian and maybe then you'll understand that this isn't a matter of race, it's sheer numbers. My grandfather graduated from El Cajon High School in a class of five students. In many ways, I felt the same way about immigrants from New York in past decades as I do about Hispanics now. This state was georgious. Silicon Valley used to bloom with apricots and prunes and the most wonderful vegetables. We had the finest schools in the nation. Power was all hydro and nearly free. We could go to any State or National park without reservations. We used to have bronze bells along the highway because they looked nice, and didn't have to worry about letting 6-year-olds walk to school without an adult, or simply go out and play. Now, not only is it dangerous to live in the cities, farmers, ranchers, and timber people who have lived on their land over a hundred years are having their land stolen to make room for more. The winners will be banks, lawyers, and bureaucrats.

If you had watched that kind of deterioration of the quality of life in only one lifetime, how would you feel about it? Would you fear the future and want a change? So get off your damned high horse waving the bloody shirt of racism and see this mess for what it is.

91 posted on 02/10/2002 11:37:52 AM PST by Carry_Okie
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To: Carry_Okie
I agree. It's always the ones who live without the effects of unlimited immigration that scream "racism". They are ignorant to reality, thus they scream "racist". It makes them feel progressive.
92 posted on 02/10/2002 11:54:09 AM PST by FreedomFriend
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To: Orange Peel
Richard will make a much better governor than what we have now.

On what basis can you make such a statement? Replacing one liberal with another liberal is not likely to have a great impact on the way the state is run.

93 posted on 02/10/2002 11:57:49 AM PST by B Knotts
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To: BlackElk
You seem to be saying that all Hispanics are in favor of illegal immigration. I cannot agree with that, as a significant number of Hispanics voted for Prop. 187. Prop. 187 wasn't racist; it was common sense. Unfortunatly, but not suprisingly, that is not a commodity which exists in any significant quantity in the state Supreme Court.

The legacy of Rose Bird lives on.

94 posted on 02/10/2002 12:07:48 PM PST by B Knotts
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NEW THREAD:
Bill Simon Wins GOP Vote (Straw Poll at California Republican Convention)

95 posted on 02/10/2002 1:30:53 PM PST by CounterCounterCulture
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To: CounterCounterCulture
``I regret using the word murder'' in a television interview in the early 1990s.

Its that kind of wishy washy pseudo conservativsm that will get Davis Re-elected. I was ready to support him if he won the primary. At this point, I think I'll just move out of California.

96 posted on 02/10/2002 2:11:34 PM PST by P-Marlowe
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To: Carry_Okie
That's why millions moved to California. There is always pressure for gardens of Eden to revert to the mean. It is a law of nature.
97 posted on 02/10/2002 3:23:06 PM PST by Torie
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To: Torie
You have a pretty grim view of nature that I do not share. What I found in the research for my book is more that the results we have seen in California are a consequence of the violation of natural law. It's pretty thoroughly documented.
98 posted on 02/10/2002 4:41:05 PM PST by Carry_Okie
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To: FreedomFriend; Carry_Okie
The day has not dawned in more than 40 years since the last time I had the slightest inclination to feel progressive. I have asked several times on this thread and elsewhere for a real world answer to the following. Since you already have many Chicanos in California and since, whether you like it or not, there are many more coming, what is your plan to reverse the damage done by that rank idiot Pete Wilson? Wilson and his brainless country club ilk have nearly annihilated the once powerful California GOP through his (not your) bigotry. I will give you a second alternative: do you think you have a plan to deport the Chicanos, a plan which will make it through the courts? If anything was going to be upheld it would have been your precious Proposition 187 but that was not upheld.

Will you abandon California? By the way, the use of the term reconquista says a lot. Do you think that the Chicanos miss the good old days in Mexico enough to want to establish California, Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, Utah, etc., as Northern Mexico with $300 annual incomes to match? Somehow, I can't imagine even Clinton sitting still for that.

This is not a matter of being progressive. This is a matter of rightist reality. The California GOP will either figure out how to make amends to offended potentially Republican Hispanics and figure out how to make deep inroads into their voting strength (one would suggest social conservatism) or look at a future in which the good Hispanics and you will be ruled by the worst elements in the Chicano community combining all the least lovable aspects of Jesse Unruh, Jesse Jackson, Jesse James and Boss Tweed.

Again, what is your plan? Will you spend your lives sniffling over the glories of the lost California of your grandparents' youth? Will you do something to assimilate the newcomers and bring them along into middle class life and to vote against the Demonrats?

If Proposition 187 was really so terribly popular on an ongoing basis the California supermajority that voted for it would not be caught dead electing Davis or nominating RINO Riordan. It was a spasm easily disposed of by the courts who are not your friends. You also would not be sending DiFi and that egregious Boxer woman to the US Senate.

Realistically just what do you propose to do?

99 posted on 02/10/2002 5:48:12 PM PST by BlackElk
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To: B Knotts
And, given that you have many millions of Hispanics now and some here say the state of California is overrun by the sheer volume of Hispanics moving in, neither of which facts is likely to change, what is YOUR plan for the Californis GOP? Specifics, please, and try to propose something capabl;e of being upheld in court.
100 posted on 02/10/2002 5:57:15 PM PST by BlackElk
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