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To: Carry_Okie
With respect, how do you see the California GOP making deep inroads into the Chicano vote with an eye toward taking a majority of it? Not everyone who favors border control is a racist but can you really say that there are not many supporters of border control who want very much to have, an America and a California which will look white in 50 years? Can you confidently reject the idea that Planned Barrenhood Republican contributors (of whom there are many) are not enthusiastic for border control to preserve the racial status quo? If the California GOP cannot make deep inroads into the Chicano vote, the California GOP is toast. It is being snookered by the Demonrats who take advantage of subtle racism by encouraging abortion among the poor and who nonetheless benefit from a public perception that the GOP hates Hispanics.
86 posted on 02/10/2002 11:08:09 AM PST by BlackElk
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To: BlackElk
With all due respect, I think your racial bias is what is showing here, as well as a penchant to believe the race-mongerers' propaganda. This isn't a matter of racial demographics to me or to many of my contemporaries, it's socio-economic reality.

If you can't convert socially conservative, God-fearing Hispanics into taxpaying Republicans, all you will get is a dependent class of Democraps pounded through lousy Spanish-speaking schools, crowding impoverished dirty cities, and hell-bent on a reconquista. That conversion (i.e. assimilation) takes an investment of time and money: training in English, job training, capital accumulation, and infrastructure. At the rate Mexican citizens are coming in now, it can't happen, whether by wage suppression or simple lack of money for adequate public services. I think a large number of (especially second generation) Hispanics understand that. Acquiring control of that rate function takes border control.

What other race than white Americans in any other country has tolerated giving preferential advantage to foreigners over their own children in employment, public services, and education? What other race than white Americans in any other country has tolerated the destruction of their schools by an influx of so many foreign born kids that there are ten languages spoken in a classroom? It is a pity that Blacks so resent the success of Koreans and Latinos without recognizing their own contributions to their social disorders. It is laugable that Hispanics wail about the Asian take-over of Monterey Park and Garden Grove. Who are the racists here?

Finally, I want you to confront what the current State looks like to this fifth-generation Californian and maybe then you'll understand that this isn't a matter of race, it's sheer numbers. My grandfather graduated from El Cajon High School in a class of five students. In many ways, I felt the same way about immigrants from New York in past decades as I do about Hispanics now. This state was georgious. Silicon Valley used to bloom with apricots and prunes and the most wonderful vegetables. We had the finest schools in the nation. Power was all hydro and nearly free. We could go to any State or National park without reservations. We used to have bronze bells along the highway because they looked nice, and didn't have to worry about letting 6-year-olds walk to school without an adult, or simply go out and play. Now, not only is it dangerous to live in the cities, farmers, ranchers, and timber people who have lived on their land over a hundred years are having their land stolen to make room for more. The winners will be banks, lawyers, and bureaucrats.

If you had watched that kind of deterioration of the quality of life in only one lifetime, how would you feel about it? Would you fear the future and want a change? So get off your damned high horse waving the bloody shirt of racism and see this mess for what it is.

91 posted on 02/10/2002 11:37:52 AM PST by Carry_Okie
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To: BlackElk
You seem to be saying that all Hispanics are in favor of illegal immigration. I cannot agree with that, as a significant number of Hispanics voted for Prop. 187. Prop. 187 wasn't racist; it was common sense. Unfortunatly, but not suprisingly, that is not a commodity which exists in any significant quantity in the state Supreme Court.

The legacy of Rose Bird lives on.

94 posted on 02/10/2002 12:07:48 PM PST by B Knotts
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