Posted on 02/09/2002 6:02:41 PM PST by CounterCounterCulture
Edited on 04/13/2004 3:29:10 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
SAN JOSE, Calif. - Republican gubernatorial candidate Richard Riordan attempted Saturday to calm the doubts of party conservatives about his loyalty.
Riordan faced Secretary of State Bill Jones and businessman Bill Simon, along with an audience of the GOP's most faithful activists, during a debate at the Republican state convention less than a month before the March 5 primary.
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"Murder" is a legal term. You may be confusing the term "kill" with "murder".
Congress and the state legislatures determine which types of "killings" will be defined as "murder".
We "kill" people in war, but that isn't "murder". We "kill" people when the state executes convicted murders, but that isn't "murder". We "kill" people in self-defense, but that isn't "murder". Police "kill" people fleeing from them, but that isn't "murder".
Before Roe v. Wade, some states classified abortion as a degree of "murder", but alas, now it is not "murder", even though it is still killing innocent life.
A little more in depth coverage of the debate.
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"I noticed that people had 'Riordan in November' buttons on today -- RINO buttons," Riordan said at one point, drawing laughter from the audience. It was a humorous reference to the RINO movement at the convention -- "Republican in name only" -- targeted at Riordan, including an anti-Riordan activist dressed as a rhinoceros roaming the hallways.
Put Simon First --
JUST SAY NO TO RIORDAN
I define murder as unjustified, non-accidental killing. Are you saying it would be impossible to murder someone in the absence of a government definition?
The courts and the legislatures can call abortion an act of hang-gliding or a snuggle with your pet cat but it is still the slaughter of a preborn child.
If you can't convert socially conservative, God-fearing Hispanics into taxpaying Republicans, all you will get is a dependent class of Democraps pounded through lousy Spanish-speaking schools, crowding impoverished dirty cities, and hell-bent on a reconquista. That conversion (i.e. assimilation) takes an investment of time and money: training in English, job training, capital accumulation, and infrastructure. At the rate Mexican citizens are coming in now, it can't happen, whether by wage suppression or simple lack of money for adequate public services. I think a large number of (especially second generation) Hispanics understand that. Acquiring control of that rate function takes border control.
What other race than white Americans in any other country has tolerated giving preferential advantage to foreigners over their own children in employment, public services, and education? What other race than white Americans in any other country has tolerated the destruction of their schools by an influx of so many foreign born kids that there are ten languages spoken in a classroom? It is a pity that Blacks so resent the success of Koreans and Latinos without recognizing their own contributions to their social disorders. It is laugable that Hispanics wail about the Asian take-over of Monterey Park and Garden Grove. Who are the racists here?
Finally, I want you to confront what the current State looks like to this fifth-generation Californian and maybe then you'll understand that this isn't a matter of race, it's sheer numbers. My grandfather graduated from El Cajon High School in a class of five students. In many ways, I felt the same way about immigrants from New York in past decades as I do about Hispanics now. This state was georgious. Silicon Valley used to bloom with apricots and prunes and the most wonderful vegetables. We had the finest schools in the nation. Power was all hydro and nearly free. We could go to any State or National park without reservations. We used to have bronze bells along the highway because they looked nice, and didn't have to worry about letting 6-year-olds walk to school without an adult, or simply go out and play. Now, not only is it dangerous to live in the cities, farmers, ranchers, and timber people who have lived on their land over a hundred years are having their land stolen to make room for more. The winners will be banks, lawyers, and bureaucrats.
If you had watched that kind of deterioration of the quality of life in only one lifetime, how would you feel about it? Would you fear the future and want a change? So get off your damned high horse waving the bloody shirt of racism and see this mess for what it is.
On what basis can you make such a statement? Replacing one liberal with another liberal is not likely to have a great impact on the way the state is run.
The legacy of Rose Bird lives on.
Its that kind of wishy washy pseudo conservativsm that will get Davis Re-elected. I was ready to support him if he won the primary. At this point, I think I'll just move out of California.
Will you abandon California? By the way, the use of the term reconquista says a lot. Do you think that the Chicanos miss the good old days in Mexico enough to want to establish California, Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, Utah, etc., as Northern Mexico with $300 annual incomes to match? Somehow, I can't imagine even Clinton sitting still for that.
This is not a matter of being progressive. This is a matter of rightist reality. The California GOP will either figure out how to make amends to offended potentially Republican Hispanics and figure out how to make deep inroads into their voting strength (one would suggest social conservatism) or look at a future in which the good Hispanics and you will be ruled by the worst elements in the Chicano community combining all the least lovable aspects of Jesse Unruh, Jesse Jackson, Jesse James and Boss Tweed.
Again, what is your plan? Will you spend your lives sniffling over the glories of the lost California of your grandparents' youth? Will you do something to assimilate the newcomers and bring them along into middle class life and to vote against the Demonrats?
If Proposition 187 was really so terribly popular on an ongoing basis the California supermajority that voted for it would not be caught dead electing Davis or nominating RINO Riordan. It was a spasm easily disposed of by the courts who are not your friends. You also would not be sending DiFi and that egregious Boxer woman to the US Senate.
Realistically just what do you propose to do?
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