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Christian Apologetics & Research Mininstry ^ | Staff

Posted on 02/02/2002 6:32:51 AM PST by Khepera

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To: Ol' Sparky
The only non-medical purpose of marijuana and other recreational drugs is to get high. So, those substances should not be legal.

Why should people be forbidden from getting high? And if they should, are you also campaigning to make their most popular drug, alcohol, illegal? Or is it just the drugs used by people you don't like that should be criminalized?

What about prescription drugs? Their only non-medical use would also be to get high--should we make them illegal? FedGov is trying -- doctors are afraid to prescribe "too much" pain medication to their patients for fear that NannyGov (who did not spend 6+ years in medical school and has no business dictating scientific policy to them) will yank their licenses.

Soap, glue, correction fluid all have purposes other than getting high

So then, you would agree that criminalizing snack foods and shampoo is a silly waste of our tax dollars?

41 posted on 02/02/2002 8:57:14 AM PST by MadameAxe
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To: Khepera
I've never seen this suggested before. Couldn't it be possible that homosexuality is God's form of population control? It is present in most animals I've heard of from dogs, to monkeys, to killer whales. According to the tenth edition of Merriam-Webster's Collegiate Dictionary, "homosexual" as an adjective was first used in 1892 and as a noun in 1902. We don't know the actual meanings of many of the words in the earliest bible texts, after all there are how many different english translations? I believe that consentual love - mental as well as physical - between two adults is well within the spirit of Jesus Christ. In fact, it is much of what He stood for. Did He ever once discriminate? If the early church's translations had not condemned homosexuality, perhaps it would have bred itself out. Maybe it is no more than God's population control after all.
42 posted on 02/02/2002 8:57:37 AM PST by nightstarpm
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To: DJ MacWoW
"OK so how long do you give them to repent?"

To "repent" means to "change direction" as in "turn from your wicked ways." The Bible makes clear that the unrighteous will not see the Kingdom of Heaven. Grace is for believers who do not "practice" sin. Nobody is sinless, but if you are a Thief, Murderer, prostitute, homosexual, and etc., and you indulge in this as a lifestyle, then you are "practicing sin."

43 posted on 02/02/2002 8:58:01 AM PST by dagoofyfoot
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To: MadameAxe
Getting high and losing control of one's self IS a danger to other people. It's reckless behavior and the driving force behind the majority of crime in this nation. So, yes, public intoxication should be illegal and the selling of drugs should be illegal.
44 posted on 02/02/2002 9:04:41 AM PST by Ol' Sparky
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To: Ol' Sparky
No, they knew certain sexual behavior was a crime.

How did they "know" this?

45 posted on 02/02/2002 9:07:33 AM PST by CubicleGuy
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To: mille99;GrandMoM;Ol' Sparky;ethical;FormerLib;Brad's Gramma;Jimbaugh;*Homosexual Agenda
"The only people after our children are pedophiles and pedophiles and homosexuals are not one and the same. There are plenty of examples of heterosexual males preying on young girls to prove that point."


Heterosexual males preying on young girls are twisted and need to be prosecuted to the full extent of the law (and much worse; I can't say it here because "NO profanity... or violence in posts")

However, is there a North American Man Girl Love Association? Or are there programs fully supported by departments of education and schools where heterosexual adults are allowed to come in and teach children about filthy, perverted sexual practices, like the homosexuals did at Fistgate?

As Mary Eberstadt wrote in "Pedophilia Chic" Reconsidered - The taboo against sex with children continues to erode:

** "...For elsewhere in the public square, the defense of adult-child sex—more accurately, man-boy sex—is now out in the open. Moreover, it is on parade in a number of places—therapeutic, literary, and academic circles; mainstream publishing houses and journals and magazines and bookstores—where the mere appearance of such ideas would until recently have been not only unthinkable, but in many cases, subject to prosecution...

...Plainly, as the record even then showed, a surprising number of voices were willing to rise up on behalf of what advocates refer to as "man-boy love," or what most people call sexual abuse..."

For one thing, no sustained public challenges have arisen over other primal taboos. Even more telling, if nihilism and nihilism alone were the explanation for public attempts to legitimize sex with boy children, then we would expect the appearance of related attempts to legitimize sex with girl children; and these we manifestly do not see. Nobody, but nobody, has been allowed to make the case for girl pedophilia with the backing of any reputable institution. Publishing houses are not putting out acclaimed anthologies and works of fiction that include excerpts of men having sex with young girls. Psychologists and psychiatrists are not competing with each other to publish studies demonstrating that the sexual abuse of girls is inconsequential; or, indeed, that it ought not even be defined as "abuse."

Two examples from the last few weeks will suffice to show the double standard here. In the November 12 New York Times Book Review, a writer found it unremarkable to observe of his subject, biographer Gavin Lambert, that when "Lambert was a schoolboy of 11, a teacher initiated him [into homosexuality], and he 'felt no shame or fear, only gratitude.'" It is unimaginable that New York Times editors would allow a reviewer to describe an 11-year-old girl being sexually "initiated" by any adult (in that case, "initiation" would be called "sexual abuse"). Similarly, in mid-December the New York Times Magazine delivered a cover piece about gay teenagers in cyberspace which was so blasé about the older men who seek out boys in chat rooms that it dismissed those potential predators as mere "oldies." Again, one can only imagine the public outcry had the same magazine published a story taking the same so-what approach to online solicitation, off-line trysts, and pornography "sharing" between anonymous men and underage girls." **


While not every homosexual is a pedophile, pedophila is a significant problem in the homosexual community and adult-child sexual relations are supported and even celebrated in the homosexual community - see:

Reply #40 in the thread 'L.I.E.' Is Infomercial For North American Man-Boy Love Association


Additional information:

Reply #35 in the thread Gay/straight alliance urges support of hate-crimes bill (gag alert)

Parental Notification Laws regarding Gay & Lesbian Programs for Youths?

Homosexual students say curriculum shortchanges them

"Feminists Who Celebrate Rape"

The Overhauling of Straight America

"A Change In Thinking"


(Bump to *Homosexual Agenda bump list)

46 posted on 02/02/2002 9:09:11 AM PST by EdReform
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To: nightstarpm
"We don't know the actual meanings of many of the words in the earliest Bible texts."

I hear this many times from people who in turn "heard from somebody else". There are many churches who have Bible studies that research, (and very accurately) translations of the original text as well as the culture from those times. In these times it is very easy to know precisely what the Bible says...

"When you seek me with all your heart, then thats when you will fine me"...Jesus Christ

47 posted on 02/02/2002 9:09:24 AM PST by dagoofyfoot
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To: dagoofyfoot
Bump!!
48 posted on 02/02/2002 9:11:13 AM PST by EdReform
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To: dagoofyfoot
Nobody is sinless, but if you are a Thief, Murderer, prostitute, homosexual, and etc., and you indulge in this as a lifestyle, then you are "practicing sin."

And you are practicing sin if you shop on Sunday, right? Should we make it a crime to operate a business on Sunday? Should we make it a crime for Seventh-Day Adventists to operate a business on Saturday? Should we make it a crime to take the Lord's name in vain? Where are you going to draw the line, and more interestingly, why are you going to draw the line where you do?

49 posted on 02/02/2002 9:13:01 AM PST by CubicleGuy
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To: Ol' Sparky
The sexual behavior of other is costing the taxpayers billions and billions of dollars from AIDS research to condoms for kids to funding the Planned Parenthood abortion machine. There is a tremendous financial cost.

Taxpayer funding to all of these activities (and all other extra-constitutional programs) should be stopped. If enough people want them to exist, they'll contribute their tax dollars thys saved directly to the agencies and then no one will be paying for it who doesn't want to.

This is a problem of too much government, but the way you're suggesting to solve it is to add still more government.

But, acts like committing adultery are crimes. Adultery is a crime against one's spouse.

It's certainly a sin, and can have some horrible natural consequenses such as disease, but since one must be married to commit adultery I don't really see how it relates to homosexuals.

50 posted on 02/02/2002 9:14:05 AM PST by MadameAxe
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To: MadameAxe
d'oh. "thys" = "thus". Gotta leave for a while; thanks for being more-or-less civil Mr. Sparky.
51 posted on 02/02/2002 9:15:51 AM PST by MadameAxe
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To: dagoofyfoot
You say it is very easy to know precisely what the Bible says, yet the dead sea scrolls show there were many early revisions. These appear to be revisions to adapt the texts to the locality. Which one did the various translations use? Who decided that was the real word of God? Was it God, or the Church?
52 posted on 02/02/2002 9:17:21 AM PST by nightstarpm
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To: Ol' Sparky
If after telling any sinner of God's love and forgiveness,

We may be talking at "cross purposes" here. Gods love & forgiveness is a winner. But most Christians only witness condemnation, love isn't mentioned. Who wants to try to please an angry parent that can't be pleased? And that's the picture presented most often. "You're going to Hell!" is the refrain, not "God loves you so much that he's not willing to lose you". Conviction of sin usually comes after the realisation of His great love. Am I right and we actually agree?

53 posted on 02/02/2002 9:20:50 AM PST by DJ MacWoW
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To: nightstarpm
"We don't know the actual meanings of many of the words in the earliest Bible texts."

I hear this many times from people who in turn "heard from somebody else". There are many churches who have Bible studies that research, (and very accurately) translations of the original text as well as the culture from those times. In these times it is very easy to know precisely what the Bible says...

"When you seek me with all your heart, then thats when you will find me"...Jesus Christ

...ooops!

54 posted on 02/02/2002 9:21:30 AM PST by dagoofyfoot
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To: dagoofyfoot
Um, ok. But what I was trying to address was angry witnessing. It doesn't work. Please see my post # 53.
55 posted on 02/02/2002 9:27:18 AM PST by DJ MacWoW
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To: MadameAxe
There is a difference between big government and proper, limited government. The Founders knew the difference. Certain sex acts were crimes throughout most of the history of this nation, yet the further back you go, the more freedom you find.
56 posted on 02/02/2002 9:28:32 AM PST by Ol' Sparky
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To: CubicleGuy
"Are you practicing sin if shop on a Saturday night"

I don't think I saw saturday night shoppers on that list from the Apostle Paul...read your Bible. The King James version is a nice place to start.

57 posted on 02/02/2002 9:28:36 AM PST by dagoofyfoot
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To: Khepera
We are not animals. We are made in God's image.

If there is nothing animalistic about you, then I assume that you do not eat, or sleep, urinate, or deficate or even die one day. For the rest of us who still have to deal with those realities we share with the world of animals, it is a different story.

The bigger question is, is only man made in the image of God, or is the universe made in the image of God? The really big question for puritanical Christian sects is this: Does God have genitals?

Not all Christian sects are puritanical, and not all conservatives are puritanical, and not all conservatives are Christian.

It's time for Christianity to grow up about sex and stop trying to be little perfect children of God without genitalia.

58 posted on 02/02/2002 9:30:16 AM PST by stripes1776
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To: stripes1776
It's time for Christianity to grow up about sex and stop trying to be little perfect children of God without genitalia.

You're going to tell God what's right & wrong? Good luck!!

59 posted on 02/02/2002 9:32:36 AM PST by DJ MacWoW
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To: nightstarpm
"Was it God, or was it the church"

Jesus Christ made made many references to the old testament. He supported the text as being from "His Father". If you believe that Jesus was the essence of the "Father" who dwelt among us in the flesh as I do, does that answer your question?

He has risen!

60 posted on 02/02/2002 9:36:10 AM PST by dagoofyfoot
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