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100 Reasons Am-Air Pilot was correct in NOT ALLOWING Arab-Am Agent to fly!!
Airdisaster.com ^ | January 3, 2002 | Christopher Kilroy

Posted on 01/03/2002 2:29:46 PM PST by FresnoDA

100 reasons why the CAPTAIN should always be the FINAL AUTHORITY
on who rides (or who does not!) aboard his aircraft.

And further evidence why Political Correctness makes airline travel a perilous venture.

See FR Post at bottom of Top-100 List for previous/related comments!


1. Manhattan, New York, September 11 2001 - 4500+ Killed
Boeing 767-200s of American Airlines and United Airlines intentionally crashed into World Trade Center towers.

2. Tenerife, Canary Islands, March 27 1977 - 583 killed
KLM Boeing 747-206B collides with Pan Am Boeing 747-121 on runway

3. Tokyo, Japan, August 12 1985 - 520 killed
JAL Boeing 747SR-46 crashes into mountain, 4 survivors

4. Charkhi Dadri, India, November 12 1996 - 349 victims
Saudi Arabian Airlines Boeing B747-168B collides in mid-air with Kazach
Ilyushin Il-76TD

5. Ermenonville, France, March 3 1974 - 346 killed
DC-10 Series 10 of THY Turkish Airlines cargo door bursts open - crashes in to forest

6. Irish Sea, June 23 1985 - 329 killed
Air India Boeing 747-237B, terrorist bomb

7. Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, August 19 1980 - 301 victims
Saudia L-1011-200 Tri-Star bursts into flames after emergency landing

8. Kinshasa, Zaire, January 8 1996 - 297+ killed
Overloaded African Air Antonov-32 crashes into market place - 4 of 5 crew members survive.

9. Persian Gulf, July 3 1988 - 290 dead
USS Vincennes downs Iran Air Airbus A300B2-202

10. Chicago, USA, May 25 1979 - 273 dead
American Airlines DC-10 Series 10 crashes due to damaged hydraulics

11. Lockerbie, Scotland, December 21 1988 - 270 killed
Lybian terrorists bomb attack on a Pan Am Boeing 747-121A

12. Belle Harbor, New York, November 12 2001 - 269 perished
American Airlines Airbus A300-600R crashes on takeoff.

13. Sakhalin Island, USSR, September 1 1983 - 269 perished
Soviet Su-15 downs a Korean Air Lines Boeing 747-230B

14. Nagoya, Japan, April 26 1994 - 264 dead
China Airlines Airbus A300B4-622R, 9 survivors

15. Jiddah, Saudi Arabia, July 11 1991 - 261 fatalities
Nationair Canada DC-8 Super 61 leased to Nigeria Airways catches fire after take-off caused by blown tires

16. Ross Island, Antarctica, November 29 1979 - 257 dead
Air New Zealand DC-10 Series 30 flies into polar mountain

17. Gander, Canada, December 12 1985 - 256 fatalities
Arrow Air Inc. DC-8 Super 63PF crashes during take-off

18. New York, USA, July 17 1996 - 230 perished
TWA Boeing 747-131 crashes into ocean near Long Island

19. Halifax, Nova Scotia, September 23 1998 - 229 killed
Swissair MD-11 crashes into the Atlantic after an in-flight fire

20. Agana, Guam, August 6 1997- 228 killed
Korean Air Lines Boeing 747-300 crashes into hillside on approach.

21. Ban Nong Rong, Thailand, May 26 1991 - 223 killed
Lauda Air Boeing 767-3Z9ER goes down after thrust reverser problems.

22. Nantucket, Mass., USA, October 31 1999 - 217 killed
Egypt Air 767-366ER crashes into the Atlantic Ocean for unknown reasons.

23. Maharashtra, India, January 1 1978 - 213 killed
Air India B-747-237B explodes in mid-air

24. Uch Kuduk, Uzbekistan, USSR, July 10 1985 - 200 fatalities
Aeroflot Tupolev 154B-2, goes into flat spin and crashes

25. Taipei, Taiwan, February 16 1998- 196 fatalities
China Airlines Airbus A300 crashes on go-around attempt

26. Maskeliya, Sri Lanka, December 4 1974 - 191 dead
Martinair DC-8 Series 55F hits mountain

27. Puerto Plata, Dominican Republic, February 6 1996 - 189 perished
Alas Nacionales Boeing 757-225 crashes into Atlantic due to wrong air speed indication

28. Immouzer, Morocco, August 3 1975 -188 killed
Alia Royal Jordanian Airlines Boeing 707-321C hits mountain

29. Katunayake, Sri Lanka, November 15 1978 - 184 killed
Icelandair DC-8 Super 63CF ploughs into a coconut plantation, 78 survivors

30. Warsaw, Poland, May 9 1987 - 182 killed
LOT Il-62MK crashes when two engines catch fire at an altitude of 8200 meters

31. Mejorada del Campo, Spain, November 27 1983 - 181 fatalities
Avianca Boeing 747-283B Combi crashes during approach, 11 survivors

32. Ajaccio, Corsica, December 1 1981 - 180 fatalities
Inex Adria Aviopromet Yugoslav DC-9 Super 82 crashes into mountain on approach

33. Zanderij, Surinam, June 7 1989 -177 killed
Crew of SLM DC-8 Super 62 ignores tower instructions, 10 survivors

34. Krasnaya Polyana, USSR, October 13 1972 - 176 dead
Ilyushin-62 crashes into a lake, ILS inoperative

35. Kano, Nigeria, January 22 1973 - 176 fatalities
Alia Royal Jordanian B-707-3D3C crashes during landing due to landing gear damage

36. Zagreb, Yugoslavia, September 10 1976 - 176 dead
Mid-air collision between Inex-Adria DC-9 Series 32 and BA HS Trident 3B, ATC language error

37. Dneprodzerzhinsk, USSR, August 11 1979 - 173 killed
Two Aeroflot Tu-134's collide at an altitude of 8000m

38. Tùnùrù Desert, Niger, September 19 1989 - 170 dead
Terrorist bomb aboard a Union de Transportes Aùriens DC-10 Series 30

39. Abidjan, Ivory Coast, Africa, January 30 2000 - 169 killed
Kenya Airways Airbus A310 crashes on takeoff.

40. San Andres mountains, Mexico, March 31 1986 - 167 killed
Mexicana Boeing 727-264, tire burst causes fuel leak

41. Kathmandu, Nepal, September 28 1992 - 167 fatalities
Pakistan International Airlines A300B4-203 crashes on approach

42. Alma-Ata, USSR, July 7 1980 - 163 fatalities
Aeroflot Tu-154B-2 crashes shortly after take-off

43. Lagos, Nigeria, September 27 1992 - 163 fatalities

44. Morioka, Japan, July 30 1971 - 162 dead
All Nippon Airways B-727-281 collides with JASDF F-86F Sabre

45. Havana, Cuba, September 3 1989 - 160 dead
Cubana de Aviacon Il-62M crashes killing all 126 aboard and 34 on ground

46. Xian, China, June 6 1994 - 160 fatalities
China Northwest Tupolev 154M

47. Cali, Columbia, December 20 1995 - 160 killed
Boeing 757-223 of American Airlines hits mountain, 4 survivors

48.Mauritius, Indian Ocean, November 28 1987 - 159 fatalities
South African Airways Boeing 747-244B self-igniting fire-works

49. Tripoli, Libya, December 22 1992 - 157 fatalities
Jamahiriya Lybian Arab Airlines Boeing Advanced 727-2L5 collides with MiG-23

50. SchŸnefeld, GDR, August 14 1972 - 156 killed
Interflug Gesellschaft Il-62 catches fire in rear fuselage

51. At Ta'if, Saudi Arabia, November 26 1979 - 156 victims
Pakistan International Airlines, B-707-340C, fire starts in the aft-cabin, total destruction

52. Detroit, USA, August 16 1987 - 156 perished
Northwest Airlines MD-82, slats not extended on takeoff, crashes on highway

53. Maracaibo, Venezuela, March 16 1969 - 155 perished
VIASA DC-9 Series 32 hits electric power line, crashes in suburb

54. Tenerife, Canary Islands, December 3 1972 - 155 killed
Spantax Covair 990-30A-5 Coronado, loss of control on take-off

55. Isparta, Turkey, September 19 1976 - 155 fatalities
THY Boeing Advanced 727-2F2, wrong airport assumed, hits mountain

56. Kenner, USA, July 9 1982 - 153 killed
Pan Am B-727-235 carrying 145 flies into thunderstorm crashes into suburbs at end of runway.

57. Saigon, Vietnam, April 4 1975 - 150+ killed
Loss of pressure blows out rear door on USAF C-5 Galaxy

58. Omsk, USSR, October 15 1984 - ‘150 victims
Aeroflot Tu-154 collides with fuel truck on runway

59. Bilbao, Spain, February 19 1985 - 148 dead
Iberia Boeing Advanced 727-256 crashes into TV antenna at the top Mt Oiz

60. Tenerife, Canary Islands, April 25 1980 - 146 fatalities
Dan-Air Services B-727-46 crashes into mountain on approach

61. Burdanovka, Russia, July 3 2001 - 145 died
Vladivostok Avia Tupolev 154 crashes on approach.

62. San Diego, USA, September 25 1978 - 144 died
Mid-air collision between Pacific Southwest Airlines B-727-214 and Cessna 172M

63. Palo Alto, Azores, February 8 1989 - 144 dead
Independent Air Inc. Boeing 707-331B hits mountain, communication error with tower

64. Manama, Bahrain, August 23 2000 - 143 killed
Gulf Air Airbus A320-212 crashes after missed approach.

65. Longyearbyen, Spitsbergen, Norway, August 29 1996 - 143 killed
Vnukovo Airlines Tu-154M crashes on arrival

66. Liutang, China, November 24 1992 - 141 fatalities
China Southern B-737-3YO hits mountain due to vibration in starboard engine

67. Kahengula, Angola, December 19 1995 - 141 perished
Trans Service Airlift Chartered Lockheed 188C Electra

68. Lagos, Nigeria, November 7 1996 - 141 victims
Nigerian Aviation Development Company Boeing B727 crashes into lagoon

69. Cucuta, Colombia, March 17 1988 - 139 killed
AVIANCA B-727-21, flies into mountain due to pilot error

70. Pacatuba, Brazil, June 8 1982 - 137 victims
Viacao Aerea Sao Paulo, Boeing Advanced 727-212, pilot is distracted by city lights

71. Dallas, USA, August 2 1985 - 137 perished
Delta Airlines Lockheed L-1011-1 Tri-Star encounters microburst

72. New York, United States of America, December 16 1960 - 134 killed
United Airlines DC-8 Series 11 collides with TWA Lockheed 1049 Super Constellation

73. Tokyo Bay, Japan, February 4 1966 - 133 dead
All Nippon Airways B-727-81 crashes, cause unknown

74. Medellin, Columbia, May 19 1993 - 133 fatalities
Aeronautics Society of Medellin Boeing 727-46 carrying a crew of 7

75. Belarussia, USSR, June 28 1982 - 132 casualties
Aeroflot Yakovlev 42 carrying 124 passengers and a crew of 8

76. Canton, China, October 2 1990 - 132 dead
Hijacked Chinese Boeing Advanced 737-247 first hits an empty B-707-3J6B and then a B-757-21B

77. Teheran, Iran, February 8 1993 - 132 fatalities
Mid-air collision of an Iran Air Tu-154M and a Sukhoi fighter

78. Pittsburgh, USA, September 8 1994 - 132 fatalities
USAir Boeing 737-3B7, uncommanded rudder condition.

79. Funchal, Portugal, November 19 1979 - 131 victims
TAP Boeing Advanced 727-282, overruns runway, plunges of cliff, strikes a
bridge, 33 survivors

80. Davao, Philippines, April 19 2000- 131 fatalities
Air Philippines Boeing 737-2H4 crashes on approach.

81. Las Mesitas, Honduras, October 21 1989 - 131 fatalities
TAN Airlines Boeing 727-224 hits mountain on approach, 19 survivors

82. Orly, France, June 3 1962 - 130 killed
Air France B-707-328 crashes on take-off

83. Sverdlovsk, USSR, November 11 1967 - 130 killed
Aeroflot Il-18 crashes due to radar failure

84. Lubango, Angola, November 8 1983 - 130 dead
TAAG-Angola Airlines Boeing Advanced 737-2M2 shot down by guerrillas

85. Gujarat India, October 19 1988 - 130 killed
Indian Airlines B-737-2A8 undershot runway hits trees and high-tension pylon

86. Tokyo, Japan, June 18 1953 - 129 dead
Engine failure on take-off USAF C-124 Globemaster II

87. South Vietnam, December 24 1966 - 129 fatalities
Military chartered Canadair CL-44

88. The Grand Canyon, USA, June 30 1956 - 128 perish
Mid-air collision between UAL DC-7 and TWA Lockheed 1049 Super Constellation

89. Markazi, Iran, January 21 1980 - 128 killed
Iran Air B-727-86 crashes due to ILS malfunction

90. Voronezh, USSR, March 5 1976 - 127 fatalities
Aeroflot Ilyushin 18D, pressurization failure during approach

91. Comoros Islands, November 23 1996 - 127 casualties
Hijacked Ethiopian Airlines B767-260ER runs out of fuel, crashes near shore, 48 survive

92. Nicosia, Cyprus, April 20 1967 - 126 killed
Globe Air Bristol Britannia 313 crashes on landing

93. Damascus, Syria, August 20 1975 - 126 killed
Ceskoslovenske Aerolinie Ilyushin-62 hits sandy hill during approach, 2 survivors

94. Irkutsk, Russia, January 4 1994 - 125 perished
Aeroflot Tupolev 154M goes down due to bad maintenance

95. Mount Fuji, Japan, March 5 1966 - 124 perish
BOAC B-707-436, fatigue cracks in a bolt hole on rear stabilizer

96. Windhoek, South-West Africa, April 20 1968 - 123 fatalities
South African Airways B-707-344C crashes on take-off, 5 survivors

97. Saulx-les-Chartreux, France, July 11 1973 - 123 killed
Varig Boeing 707-345C, total fire during descent, 11 survivors

98. Arequipa, Peru, February 29 1996 - 123 dead
Faucett B-737-222 crashes burning into mountain

99. Cairo, Egypt, May 20 1965 - 121 killed
Pakistan International Airlines B720-040B, nose-down condition, 6 survivors

100. Cuenca, Ecuador, July 11 1983 - 119 fatalities
TAME Boeing Advanced 727-2V2, tail section strikes a ridge, crashes into hilly terrain


Enough is Enough!!! Time To Cancel ALL VISAS Of Aliens in USA!!
Israel Broadcasting Network | October 25, 2001 | Arutz Sheva

Posted on 10/25/01 2:52 PM Pacific by FresnoDA

NOW IS THE TIME TO CANCEL ALL VISAS!! WE MUST DEPORT ALL ALIENS, ENACT A MORATORIUM ON IMMIGRATION!!!

 

 


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To: DoughtyOne
The attorney is not seeking monetary compensation on the behalf of Secret Service agent. If litigation should be necessary later on, they have been instructed to give any awarded funds to charity.

I just watched the agent's attorney on Fox News and he was asked point blank if his client has ruled out seeking damages. The attorney said that the agent had not ruled out seeking money damages. Further, the attorney did not make any mention that any money the client might receive would go to charity.

141 posted on 01/03/2002 7:25:18 PM PST by vbmoneyspender
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To: FresnoDA
I am finding a huge discrepency in these statements that you posted, I presume, from the American Airlines website.

Text of Captain’s Statement Misconduct of Armed Passenger Debrief Detail:

Armed passenger * flight 363 BWI/DFW. Flight was scheduled to leave at 1715. I was notified that due to a mechanical at the next gate - they would hold our push for approximately 30-40 minutes to try to accommodate those pax going to DFW. A few moments later the *1 flt attendant brought to my attention that she and other flt att were concerned about the actions of one of the pax. This pax left the aircraft with carryon bags still in his seat. He told the flt att. Please don’t leave without him. While the pax was away a flt att observed books in the individuals seat which were written in what she assessed was Arabic style print. Upon further investigation - when the individual came back it was determined that he was in fact our ‘armed passenger’. I then decided to stop my pre-flt and review the AA E2. The form was unreadable because it was a carbon-copy and there were missing items. I then had the agent come back and recheck his credentials and give me a new AA E2. Again this form was filled out improperly. I left my seat to speak to the individual. He appeared nervous and anxious. With all the forms that I received in error I determined that the most prudent course of action was to call dispatch to phone patch me to the SOC. I asked them to fax me a copy of what the Secret Service credentials looks like.

Text of SOC Manager’s Statement:

I was working as Center Manager on Christmas and received a call from Captain (employee number ) flying flight 363 from BWI/DFW. The Captain had a concern about a passenger onboard his flight. The Captain first requested a fax containing all wanted terrorist photos that American had available.

These statements both seem to be from American Airlines employees, so my question is, did the pilot first ask for a fax copy of what SS credential looked like, or did he first ask for a fax containing all wanted terrorist photos?

142 posted on 01/03/2002 7:25:25 PM PST by mjaneangels@aolcom
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To: Apple_Hills
A pilot only needs ONE reason. "Because I said so."

Amen! It is not the CEO, the VP of Operations, The Chief Pilot, The Purser, the Gate Agent, the Crew Chief, the FAA Administrator, The Sec of Transportation, the POTUS, the Attorney General, the First Officer, the Secret Service, the Air Marshall, or anyone else but the captain that is responsible for the safety of that flight. If he says you don't go, then you don't go. End of story!!!

The Captain can make that MD-80 a static display at BWI until he gets his way, and the union is going to make it stick.

143 posted on 01/03/2002 7:27:10 PM PST by Orion
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To: hinckley buzzard
I can't bother to read all 138 post.. i just read the headline and thought that I should say something. Anyone mention the fact that a pilot was suspended for not allowing an FBI agent with a gun to board a plane? Hmmm just cause the guy was an Arab-American(who by the way Bush even said out front that he would be appalled if he was not allowed on board because he was an Arab) is not a decision that the pilot is allowed to make at all. This is another case of a white man gone scared.. most likely is a paniced over-excited individual who's hightly suspect of anyone. He's clearly a secret service agent and he may have made a mistake.. and to backtrack a bit the pilot may have noticed some mistakes in the paperwork and not allowed him on board.. in either case people need to stop jumping to conclusions.. either A he did stop him from boarding because he was an Arab(in which case he should be suspended or fired) or B he is a detailed individual who noticed a few mistakes and made the right choice... the fact that he was an Arab has no bearing on part B and should not be an issue... I hope A is not the case.. and the people who believe that "ALL ARABS SHOULD BE DEPORTED" should remember that not a single white person ever came from this land.. just ask the Indians.. maybe they should deport all of us... hell we massacred most of em.. oh wait.. that's why they can't deport us.. damn... silly me. Racists.. please stand up.. I'd like to deport all of you for being un-american.
144 posted on 01/03/2002 7:27:49 PM PST by Almondjoy
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To: zook
This pilot needs to take some down time until he gets his head right.

The captain bears the sole responsibility for the safety of his passengers, crew, and aircraft. The only "right" thing for him to do is act on his personal judgment, as he did.

We are at war, the time for this PC garbage is over.

145 posted on 01/03/2002 7:30:44 PM PST by Ronaldus Magnus
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To: vbmoneyspender
He did mention the charities earlier today. As for promising not to bring suit, he didn't. I never said he did. He did say that they weren't intent on filing suit at the moment. If he and his client feel they have a case they should bring it. And then it can stand on it's merits. This may out his client as a lying fraud too. If that's what he is, then I'd love to see it turn out that way. That would be true justice as far as I am concerned. I don't relish frivelous law suits, but I'd love to see the SS agent outed if the airline case is as solid as they say it is.
146 posted on 01/03/2002 7:30:55 PM PST by DoughtyOne
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To: rushtafarian
Normally I would agree with you that the captain was probably using his better judgement, but I honestly don't think this pilot was in this case. I think he was prejudiced. I am not going to argue so much for the SS guy, as the question of would this pilot because of prejudice have allowed a clean cut Johnny Walker Lindh, or a clean cut Richard Reid to have stayed on board. Neither of them are of middle-eastern descent.
147 posted on 01/03/2002 7:33:30 PM PST by mjaneangels@aolcom
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To: DoughtyOne
You said the attorney wasn't seeking compensation for his client. That has turned out to not be entirely true. What the attorney has said is that he hasn't ruled out seeking money from AA. When a lawyer says something like that, that means you can get bottom your dollar they are going to be suing for money.
148 posted on 01/03/2002 7:40:24 PM PST by vbmoneyspender
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To: GGpaX4DumpedTea
About the shouting and colors, duly noted, does the same rule apply for, double - double posting?? HHMMMMM????
149 posted on 01/03/2002 7:43:15 PM PST by FresnoDA
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To: Almondjoy
"Hmmm just cause the guy was an Arab-American(who by the way Bush even said out front that he would be appalled if he was not allowed on board because he was an Arab) is not a decision that the pilot is allowed to make at all."

If this 'passenger' were 'just and Arab-American'; NOTHING would have happened; now try and Arab-American, with a gun, changed flight and messy papers and an attitude. . .but only for starters. . .back up and read a few more posts before jumping to conclusions about where this is going. . .and where it is coming from. . .

. . .racism is becomming the fastest, over-worked, exaggerated into meaninglessness politically correct word.

150 posted on 01/03/2002 7:49:05 PM PST by cricket
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To: FresnoDA
As far as I am concerned the only right the pilot needed was just the fact that he said so. With people's lives in his hands, his should be, and is, the final authrotative word on the matter.
151 posted on 01/03/2002 7:49:30 PM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: hinckley buzzard
Hopefully this guy is innocent and just a jerk. But who wants a hothead with a gun mad at you while you're trying to fly an airliner?

I have to ask, where, other than through the American Airline's pilot via the media do you have any proof that this man was either a jerk or a hothead much less mad at anyone?

152 posted on 01/03/2002 7:53:34 PM PST by mjaneangels@aolcom
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To: DoughtyOne
Is anyone else besides me perpelexed that the airline pilot is put into the position of having to run this type of last minute security check on passengers?

Negative. The captain should eyeball every armed passenger on his aircraft. The captain is the final authority on the safe operation of the aircraft. Sometimes I wish I got paid for every time the pilots had to straighten out every screw-up by the loadmasters, the HAZMAT folks, the gate agents etc. If its compressed gas tanks, armed passengers, hazardous materials, live animals, fuel loading, route of flight, the fitness of the other crewmembers or anything else, the captain is the final authority if he is to accept it. THIS IS HIS JOB. Any good first officer can operate the aircraft and land it, but the captain is in command, and that is why he makes half again as much as the FO.
Lets say the pilot acted entirely properly. And lets say the SS agent was a complete jerk. Does anyone agree with me that the last guy I want having his stomach churn when he takes off is the pilot? This guy should only be focusing on flight crew and instrument business, not hashing it out with some unruley passenger.

Nope. It would be nice if there were no problems, but that is why the captain is there. The pilot's job is SO much more than the crew and the instruments, it is the whole safety picture. Sometimes you have to un-screw what others have done. That is why the pilots get paid what they do.

The idea of having a flight marshall on each flight to deal with such situations appeals to me. Anyone else?

No. The Air Marshalls have only one job, and that is to make sure no one gets in the flight station who does not belong there. They brief us that they will not interfere with routine passenger disturbances, or any law enforcement operations. They are there to shoot, and that is all.

153 posted on 01/03/2002 7:56:44 PM PST by Orion
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To: vbmoneyspender
Hey, I'll bet that if AA doesn't appologize, there will be a suit. And at this point I'm not sure they should. Yep, the papers could be being drawn up as we speak. That's how it works. The attorney did say that if AA appologized, his client wouldn't file suit. Take that for what it's worth. I wouldn't expect AA to appologize. And if they did no wrong, I'd urge them not to.
154 posted on 01/03/2002 7:59:29 PM PST by DoughtyOne
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To: KirklandJunction
Never fails: every time I show FreeRepublic to a house guest, there is a superb demonstration of the freedom to be stupid, rude, and an excellent argument for retroactive birth control!

Perhaps you should encourage your house guests to be team players and have more tolerance for diversity! :)

155 posted on 01/03/2002 8:06:52 PM PST by Concentrate
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To: sinkspur
I'm with you on this. AA should have a different procedure for federal agents who are allowed to carry guns.

I would love to have a policy that no one gets on the aircraft with a firearm with the exception of the pilots or a properly trained air marshall. As it stands now, any swinging dick with a badge can get on an airplane with a firearm. Postal inspectors, prison guards, any Barney Fife Sherriff, US Secret Service, FBI, anyone with a badge from a recognized municipality who is on "official business."

Today, I had a US Border Patrol agent with his firearm, and his entire family coming back from vacation. I'm sure that was "official business." In August, I had a cop and his son, who just checked out as a cop carry their firearms. I'm sure they were on official business (family reunion). The father was SOOOOO proud, and they were packing, because "they could."

I've had prison guards escorting prisinors fall asleep, order drinks, and leave their weapons in their carry-on while they go tinkle.

These morons can barely tell their a$$ from a hot rock, yet they pack .45s on passenger aircraft.

BTW, when I was going through security this morning, the screeners had me take off my shoes, and almost drop my pants in front of anyone who wanted a show. I guess the white guys in the blue suits, with the layers of credentials allowing them to sit up front with all the windows, buttons, and control wheels, who have had the FBI map every bend in their colons, could sign for nuclear weapons by their mid 20s, have been recently designated a "threat." When we got to the aircraft, I showed the captain the steel crash axe that the FAA mandates that I carry on my side of the aircraft.

WTFO?

Why armed passengers continue is beyond me.

156 posted on 01/03/2002 8:10:55 PM PST by Orion
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To: DoughtyOne
I didn't really have too much of an opinion on this until I heard that the agent had hired an attorney. Once the agent hired an attorney, the agent lost me. I don't have any sympathy for him know.<p. It really seems to me that in situations like this, where you haven't been physically harmed, the adult thing to do is just say "You know what, I am not going to fly on AA anymore." Or maybe just chalk it up to people being well-intentioned but a little bit overzealous cuz we are at war and because the main attacks against us have taken place via commercial airliners. Instead, we have a law enforcement officer acting like some whining plaintiff who is literally turning a relatively small annoyance into a major disruption for an American company that employs 1000s of people who are just trying to do their very difficult jobs in a way that prevents further attacks like the ones that happened on 9/11.
157 posted on 01/03/2002 8:11:53 PM PST by vbmoneyspender
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To: all
Here is something relivent to this thread. Earlier this year, singer Aaliyah and party were killed because the PILOT did not make the call. Even though he was warned the plane was seriously overweight, and after arguing with some of the passengers, did NOT exercise his right to say NO. All onboard the plane died. This is why most pilots take this responsibility seriously. It is the pilots call because not only is his life on the line, but EVERYONE else on the plane.

Now imagine you have this responsibilty and see if you can fault the pilot (remember this passenger had a gun and as of now, pilots still cannot carry one).

158 posted on 01/03/2002 8:12:51 PM PST by packrat35
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To: packrat35
Bold off
159 posted on 01/03/2002 8:16:02 PM PST by packrat35
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To: zook
Pilot was acting like a cowboy. Tossed one of America's finest off a plane for no good reason. SS men are too well trained and too carefully selected for things to have happened the way the pilot says. And witnesses so far seem to cast doubt on his version of events. I hope AA gets taken to cleaners.

NEWSFLASH - WASHINGTON (AP) - Flight Deck voice recorders from an American Airlines flight destined for Dallas/Ft Worth have been recovered, and sources tell of a conversation between the captain and the boarding agent.

The captain was overheard saying that he was nervous about a passenger who had inconsistant paperwork, a bad attitude, a firearm, was a muslim, and of Mid-East descent. The pilot wanted the person, posing as a US Secret Service agent, removed from the flight, but was told that everything was OK, and the legal department did not want to "risk a racial episode."

Shortly after takeoff from Baltimore/Washington, the American Airlines MD-80 aircraft was hijacked by the armed Arab and crashed into the US Capitol, killing all 120 on board and over 300 on the ground. The flight crew could not overpower the armed passenger because they are prohibited from carrying firearms to defend the aircraft.

American Airlines had two of its aircraft hijacked in a similar manner on September 11, and nearly had one of its aircraft blown out of the sky by another muslim terrorist on December 21.

President Bush said, "...racial profiling can not be tolerated, and this is the price we pay to ensure equality for everyone - including our enemies."

Shares of AMR Corporation closed down 78%.

160 posted on 01/03/2002 8:17:18 PM PST by Orion
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