100 Reasons Am-Air Pilot was correct in NOT ALLOWING Arab-Am Agent to fly!!

1. Manhattan, New York, September 11 2001 - 4500+ Killed
Boeing 767-200s of American Airlines and United Airlines intentionally crashed into World Trade Center towers.

2. Tenerife, Canary Islands, March 27 1977 - 583 killed
KLM Boeing 747-206B collides with Pan Am Boeing 747-121 on runway

3. Tokyo, Japan, August 12 1985 - 520 killed
JAL Boeing 747SR-46 crashes into mountain, 4 survivors

4. Charkhi Dadri, India, November 12 1996 - 349 victims
Saudi Arabian Airlines Boeing B747-168B collides in mid-air with Kazach
Ilyushin Il-76TD

5. Ermenonville, France, March 3 1974 - 346 killed
DC-10 Series 10 of THY Turkish Airlines cargo door bursts open - crashes in to forest

6. Irish Sea, June 23 1985 - 329 killed
Air India Boeing 747-237B, terrorist bomb

7. Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, August 19 1980 - 301 victims
Saudia L-1011-200 Tri-Star bursts into flames after emergency landing

8. Kinshasa, Zaire, January 8 1996 - 297+ killed
Overloaded African Air Antonov-32 crashes into market place - 4 of 5 crew members survive.

9. Persian Gulf, July 3 1988 - 290 dead
USS Vincennes downs Iran Air Airbus A300B2-202

10. Chicago, USA, May 25 1979 - 273 dead
American Airlines DC-10 Series 10 crashes due to damaged hydraulics

11. Lockerbie, Scotland, December 21 1988 - 270 killed
Lybian terrorists bomb attack on a Pan Am Boeing 747-121A

12. Belle Harbor, New York, November 12 2001 - 269 perished
American Airlines Airbus A300-600R crashes on takeoff.

13. Sakhalin Island, USSR, September 1 1983 - 269 perished
Soviet Su-15 downs a Korean Air Lines Boeing 747-230B

14. Nagoya, Japan, April 26 1994 - 264 dead
China Airlines Airbus A300B4-622R, 9 survivors

15. Jiddah, Saudi Arabia, July 11 1991 - 261 fatalities
Nationair Canada DC-8 Super 61 leased to Nigeria Airways catches fire after take-off caused by blown tires

16. Ross Island, Antarctica, November 29 1979 - 257 dead
Air New Zealand DC-10 Series 30 flies into polar mountain

17. Gander, Canada, December 12 1985 - 256 fatalities
Arrow Air Inc. DC-8 Super 63PF crashes during take-off

18. New York, USA, July 17 1996 - 230 perished
TWA Boeing 747-131 crashes into ocean near Long Island

19. Halifax, Nova Scotia, September 23 1998 - 229 killed
Swissair MD-11 crashes into the Atlantic after an in-flight fire

20. Agana, Guam, August 6 1997- 228 killed
Korean Air Lines Boeing 747-300 crashes into hillside on approach.

21. Ban Nong Rong, Thailand, May 26 1991 - 223 killed
Lauda Air Boeing 767-3Z9ER goes down after thrust reverser problems.

22. Nantucket, Mass., USA, October 31 1999 - 217 killed
Egypt Air 767-366ER crashes into the Atlantic Ocean for unknown reasons.

23. Maharashtra, India, January 1 1978 - 213 killed
Air India B-747-237B explodes in mid-air

24. Uch Kuduk, Uzbekistan, USSR, July 10 1985 - 200 fatalities
Aeroflot Tupolev 154B-2, goes into flat spin and crashes

25. Taipei, Taiwan, February 16 1998- 196 fatalities
China Airlines Airbus A300 crashes on go-around attempt

26. Maskeliya, Sri Lanka, December 4 1974 - 191 dead
Martinair DC-8 Series 55F hits mountain

27. Puerto Plata, Dominican Republic, February 6 1996 - 189 perished
Alas Nacionales Boeing 757-225 crashes into Atlantic due to wrong air speed indication

28. Immouzer, Morocco, August 3 1975 -188 killed
Alia Royal Jordanian Airlines Boeing 707-321C hits mountain

29. Katunayake, Sri Lanka, November 15 1978 - 184 killed
Icelandair DC-8 Super 63CF ploughs into a coconut plantation, 78 survivors

30. Warsaw, Poland, May 9 1987 - 182 killed
LOT Il-62MK crashes when two engines catch fire at an altitude of 8200 meters

31. Mejorada del Campo, Spain, November 27 1983 - 181 fatalities
Avianca Boeing 747-283B Combi crashes during approach, 11 survivors

32. Ajaccio, Corsica, December 1 1981 - 180 fatalities
Inex Adria Aviopromet Yugoslav DC-9 Super 82 crashes into mountain on approach

33. Zanderij, Surinam, June 7 1989 -177 killed
Crew of SLM DC-8 Super 62 ignores tower instructions, 10 survivors

34. Krasnaya Polyana, USSR, October 13 1972 - 176 dead
Ilyushin-62 crashes into a lake, ILS inoperative

35. Kano, Nigeria, January 22 1973 - 176 fatalities
Alia Royal Jordanian B-707-3D3C crashes during landing due to landing gear damage

36. Zagreb, Yugoslavia, September 10 1976 - 176 dead
Mid-air collision between Inex-Adria DC-9 Series 32 and BA HS Trident 3B, ATC language error

37. Dneprodzerzhinsk, USSR, August 11 1979 - 173 killed
Two Aeroflot Tu-134's collide at an altitude of 8000m

38. Tùnùrù Desert, Niger, September 19 1989 - 170 dead
Terrorist bomb aboard a Union de Transportes Aùriens DC-10 Series 30

39. Abidjan, Ivory Coast, Africa, January 30 2000 - 169 killed
Kenya Airways Airbus A310 crashes on takeoff.

40. San Andres mountains, Mexico, March 31 1986 - 167 killed
Mexicana Boeing 727-264, tire burst causes fuel leak

41. Kathmandu, Nepal, September 28 1992 - 167 fatalities
Pakistan International Airlines A300B4-203 crashes on approach

42. Alma-Ata, USSR, July 7 1980 - 163 fatalities
Aeroflot Tu-154B-2 crashes shortly after take-off

44. Morioka, Japan, July 30 1971 - 162 dead
All Nippon Airways B-727-281 collides with JASDF F-86F Sabre

45. Havana, Cuba, September 3 1989 - 160 dead
Cubana de Aviacon Il-62M crashes killing all 126 aboard and 34 on ground

47. Cali, Columbia, December 20 1995 - 160 killed
Boeing 757-223 of American Airlines hits mountain, 4 survivors

48.Mauritius, Indian Ocean, November 28 1987 - 159 fatalities
South African Airways Boeing 747-244B self-igniting fire-works

49. Tripoli, Libya, December 22 1992 - 157 fatalities
Jamahiriya Lybian Arab Airlines Boeing Advanced 727-2L5 collides with MiG-23

50. SchŸnefeld, GDR, August 14 1972 - 156 killed
Interflug Gesellschaft Il-62 catches fire in rear fuselage

51. At Ta'if, Saudi Arabia, November 26 1979 - 156 victims
Pakistan International Airlines, B-707-340C, fire starts in the aft-cabin, total destruction

52. Detroit, USA, August 16 1987 - 156 perished
Northwest Airlines MD-82, slats not extended on takeoff, crashes on highway

53. Maracaibo, Venezuela, March 16 1969 - 155 perished
VIASA DC-9 Series 32 hits electric power line, crashes in suburb

54. Tenerife, Canary Islands, December 3 1972 - 155 killed
Spantax Covair 990-30A-5 Coronado, loss of control on take-off

55. Isparta, Turkey, September 19 1976 - 155 fatalities
THY Boeing Advanced 727-2F2, wrong airport assumed, hits mountain

56. Kenner, USA, July 9 1982 - 153 killed
Pan Am B-727-235 carrying 145 flies into thunderstorm crashes into suburbs at end of runway.

57. Saigon, Vietnam, April 4 1975 - 150+ killed
Loss of pressure blows out rear door on USAF C-5 Galaxy

58. Omsk, USSR, October 15 1984 - ‘150 victims
Aeroflot Tu-154 collides with fuel truck on runway

59. Bilbao, Spain, February 19 1985 - 148 dead
Iberia Boeing Advanced 727-256 crashes into TV antenna at the top Mt Oiz

60. Tenerife, Canary Islands, April 25 1980 - 146 fatalities
Dan-Air Services B-727-46 crashes into mountain on approach

61. Burdanovka, Russia, July 3 2001 - 145 died
Vladivostok Avia Tupolev 154 crashes on approach.

62. San Diego, USA, September 25 1978 - 144 died
Mid-air collision between Pacific Southwest Airlines B-727-214 and Cessna 172M

63. Palo Alto, Azores, February 8 1989 - 144 dead
Independent Air Inc. Boeing 707-331B hits mountain, communication error with tower

64. Manama, Bahrain, August 23 2000 - 143 killed
Gulf Air Airbus A320-212 crashes after missed approach.

65. Longyearbyen, Spitsbergen, Norway, August 29 1996 - 143 killed
Vnukovo Airlines Tu-154M crashes on arrival

66. Liutang, China, November 24 1992 - 141 fatalities
China Southern B-737-3YO hits mountain due to vibration in starboard engine

67. Kahengula, Angola, December 19 1995 - 141 perished
Trans Service Airlift Chartered Lockheed 188C Electra

68. Lagos, Nigeria, November 7 1996 - 141 victims
Nigerian Aviation Development Company Boeing B727 crashes into lagoon

69. Cucuta, Colombia, March 17 1988 - 139 killed
AVIANCA B-727-21, flies into mountain due to pilot error

70. Pacatuba, Brazil, June 8 1982 - 137 victims
Viacao Aerea Sao Paulo, Boeing Advanced 727-212, pilot is distracted by city lights

71. Dallas, USA, August 2 1985 - 137 perished
Delta Airlines Lockheed L-1011-1 Tri-Star encounters microburst

72. New York, United States of America, December 16 1960 - 134 killed
United Airlines DC-8 Series 11 collides with TWA Lockheed 1049 Super Constellation

73. Tokyo Bay, Japan, February 4 1966 - 133 dead
All Nippon Airways B-727-81 crashes, cause unknown

74. Medellin, Columbia, May 19 1993 - 133 fatalities
Aeronautics Society of Medellin Boeing 727-46 carrying a crew of 7

75. Belarussia, USSR, June 28 1982 - 132 casualties
Aeroflot Yakovlev 42 carrying 124 passengers and a crew of 8

76. Canton, China, October 2 1990 - 132 dead
Hijacked Chinese Boeing Advanced 737-247 first hits an empty B-707-3J6B and then a B-757-21B

77. Teheran, Iran, February 8 1993 - 132 fatalities
Mid-air collision of an Iran Air Tu-154M and a Sukhoi fighter

78. Pittsburgh, USA, September 8 1994 - 132 fatalities
USAir Boeing 737-3B7, uncommanded rudder condition.

79. Funchal, Portugal, November 19 1979 - 131 victims
TAP Boeing Advanced 727-282, overruns runway, plunges of cliff, strikes a
bridge, 33 survivors

80. Davao, Philippines, April 19 2000- 131 fatalities
Air Philippines Boeing 737-2H4 crashes on approach.

81. Las Mesitas, Honduras, October 21 1989 - 131 fatalities
TAN Airlines Boeing 727-224 hits mountain on approach, 19 survivors

82. Orly, France, June 3 1962 - 130 killed
Air France B-707-328 crashes on take-off

83. Sverdlovsk, USSR, November 11 1967 - 130 killed
Aeroflot Il-18 crashes due to radar failure

84. Lubango, Angola, November 8 1983 - 130 dead
TAAG-Angola Airlines Boeing Advanced 737-2M2 shot down by guerrillas

85. Gujarat India, October 19 1988 - 130 killed
Indian Airlines B-737-2A8 undershot runway hits trees and high-tension pylon

86. Tokyo, Japan, June 18 1953 - 129 dead
Engine failure on take-off USAF C-124 Globemaster II

87. South Vietnam, December 24 1966 - 129 fatalities
Military chartered Canadair CL-44

88. The Grand Canyon, USA, June 30 1956 - 128 perish
Mid-air collision between UAL DC-7 and TWA Lockheed 1049 Super Constellation

89. Markazi, Iran, January 21 1980 - 128 killed
Iran Air B-727-86 crashes due to ILS malfunction

90. Voronezh, USSR, March 5 1976 - 127 fatalities
Aeroflot Ilyushin 18D, pressurization failure during approach

91. Comoros Islands, November 23 1996 - 127 casualties
Hijacked Ethiopian Airlines B767-260ER runs out of fuel, crashes near shore, 48 survive

92. Nicosia, Cyprus, April 20 1967 - 126 killed
Globe Air Bristol Britannia 313 crashes on landing

93. Damascus, Syria, August 20 1975 - 126 killed
Ceskoslovenske Aerolinie Ilyushin-62 hits sandy hill during approach, 2 survivors

94. Irkutsk, Russia, January 4 1994 - 125 perished
Aeroflot Tupolev 154M goes down due to bad maintenance

95. Mount Fuji, Japan, March 5 1966 - 124 perish
BOAC B-707-436, fatigue cracks in a bolt hole on rear stabilizer

96. Windhoek, South-West Africa, April 20 1968 - 123 fatalities
South African Airways B-707-344C crashes on take-off, 5 survivors

97. Saulx-les-Chartreux, France, July 11 1973 - 123 killed
Varig Boeing 707-345C, total fire during descent, 11 survivors

98. Arequipa, Peru, February 29 1996 - 123 dead
Faucett B-737-222 crashes burning into mountain

99. Cairo, Egypt, May 20 1965 - 121 killed
Pakistan International Airlines B720-040B, nose-down condition, 6 survivors

100. Cuenca, Ecuador, July 11 1983 - 119 fatalities
TAME Boeing Advanced 727-2V2, tail section strikes a ridge, crashes into hilly terrain

NOW IS THE TIME TO CANCEL ALL VISAS!! WE MUST DEPORT ALL ALIENS, ENACT A MORATORIUM ON IMMIGRATION!!!

Fresno

We had another one in the Air Force..."There are old pilots and there are bold pilots, but there are no old bold pilots". I would hazard a guess the Captain will turn out to be an ex-military pilot and for sure he is well aware of his responsibilities.

I gotta go with the "pro-pilot" bunch here. I'm an airline captain and have been flying in command of large multi-engine jet aircraft for the past 24 years. (counting military and civilian) I have always taken my job seriously, especially when it comes to the safety of my passengers and crew. I have always had the authority to deny boarding of anyone or anything at anytime. In all the 24 years I've had that power, I've used it only a small number of times. In each case, I evaluated all pertinent data and used my judgement and experience. I'm quite sure this AA captain did the same thing. He must be backed, as there can not be any other alternative to this policy. Second guessing and Monday morning quarterbacking earn you nothing. In my opinion, if the flight took place and arrived safely at it's original destination, then the captain made ALL the right decisions. Leave racism, prejudice and any other subject besides SAFETY out of this!

God bless the true patriot.

rushtafarian

Lets say the pilot acted entirely properly.

He did.

This guy should only be focusing on flight crew and instrument business, not hashing it out with some unruley passenger.

Wrong. The pilot in command is in charge of everything associated with the operation of the aircraft, PERIOD.
Now, you and others may not like that, but that rule is written in stone. An aircraft is not run like a democracy; it is totally authoritarian. Why? Because it works.

Talk about distractions!! If this jerk is successful, think of the turmoil THAT would cause.

I'm a private pilot too, and my Jeppesen FAR manual defines the "Pilot in Command" as - The pilot responsible for the operation and safety of an aircraft during flight time.

Any issue brought to his attention that may effect the outcome of the flight belongs soley to the pilot. The pilot has the final say because of accountability, the same as in maritime law and the captain's decision being the law aboard ship because of his accountability.

BTW, I gotta hand it to Fresno for standing in there and taking the shots on this one. You're welcome on my aircraft anytime pal.

God bless the true patriot.

rushtafarian

Black Secret Service Agents Claim Race Bias
By Bill Miller Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, February 24, 2000; Page A02

A group of black Secret Service agents is asking the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission to give them the right to file a class action lawsuit that alleges they were denied promotions and key assignments because of pervasive racial discrimination.

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As a taxpayer, I wish these deadbeat whiners would spend more time earning their paycheck and less time crying about how mistreated they are. Where do we find such people?

12 inches is a snowstorm for you all!

Boy, do I feel bad about leading people to that link. I've posted and notified everyone short of JimRob about this.
Thanks a million for the heads up. I hope nobody got burned.

FReegards,

You are correct on the issue of pilot-in-command. What few of the detractors on this site have considered is WHY WAS THE CAPTAIN CONSULTED on the problem? The answer is because on ALL armed individuals, the Captain IS ALWAYS consulted. I am a pilot for a major airline, and whenever an armed individual flies, his REQUEST form is seen by and APPROVED OR DISAPPROVED by the Captain. The Captain's word is final. In addition, the Captain is REQUIRED to deny boarding to any hostile person carrying a firearm - REGARDLESS of their paperwork. The Secret Service Agent should appreciate a LAW ABIDING Captain.

The day the Captain has to take any government employee as a passenger, against his better judgement, that is the day I take the bus.

In the FAA, we were allowed to take airline flights, in the cockpit, after proper paperwork and ID were checked by the Captain. If for any reason, he did not like our looks, he could have thrown us off and the FAA would have said nothing, simply because that is his duty, his job, something the race baiters here cannot accept.

SS agents are supposed to be above the types of reaction this guy may have made,

Just consider....

This professional agent, standing in front of the presidential podium, is sweeping the crowd with his keen eyes. Just as this agent's gaze is about to fall upon the assasin, who is raising a weapon from beneath his coat just feet from the president, someone else in the crowd, close to this agent but just outside the agent's immediate scan field, yells "Hey raghead!".

I agree. If the pilot doesn't feel comfortable flying with a certain cargo, he should refuse to take off. If the airlines want to put on some other pilot who will fly with the suspect cargo, and the rest of the passengers, duly informed want to go on with the flight, let them. This whole thing is the usual ethnic sucking off of the judicial system. I have had small experience with the secret service but enough to know that, just as with pilots and ship captains, what they say goes in their bailiwick. A secret service agent ought to respect security and authority and this one is a disgrace. Now for the time being, people who look like the ones who did the WTC job and the Pentagon job and about 5000 other terroristic acts in the last several decades might as well get used to the idea that until people who look like them start taking care of the problem of other people who look like them picking on the rest of us, we are not obliged to be obliging to them. I am absolutely disposed to believe that many, indeed most,of these terrorists are known to others who look like them who could report them but don't because of religious and ethnic ties. Did I mention that I have very little sympathy for this agent!

Sorry. Pilot was acting like a cowboy. Tossed one of America's finest off a plane for no good reason. SS men are too well trained and too carefully selected for things to have happened the way the pilot says. And witnesses so far seem to cast doubt on his version of events. I hope AA gets taken to cleaners.

Moreover, pilots are not trained to make sound judgements in cases like these. That's evident by the fact that he apparently refused to pick up the phone and make a call to check this out. Absolutely ridiculous in light of the fact that the SS agent had already been cleared for the first leg of his flight. This pilot needs to take some down time until he gets his head right.

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100 reasons why the CAPTAIN should always be the FINAL AUTHORITY
on who rides (or who does not!) aboard his aircraft.

And further evidence why Political Correctness makes airline travel a perilous venture.

See FR Post at bottom of Top-100 List for previous/related comments!

NOW IS THE TIME TO CANCEL ALL VISAS!! WE MUST DEPORT ALL ALIENS, ENACT A MORATORIUM ON IMMIGRATION!!!

100 reasons why the CAPTAIN should always be the FINAL AUTHORITY on who rides (or who does not!) aboard his aircraft.

And further evidence why Political Correctness makes airline travel a perilous venture.

See FR Post at bottom of Top-100 List for previous/related comments!

NOW IS THE TIME TO CANCEL ALL VISAS!! WE MUST DEPORT ALL ALIENS, ENACT A MORATORIUM ON IMMIGRATION!!!

100 reasons why the CAPTAIN should always be the FINAL AUTHORITY
on who rides (or who does not!) aboard his aircraft.