Posted on 01/03/2002 2:29:46 PM PST by FresnoDA
1. Manhattan, New York, September 11 2001 - 4500+ Killed
Boeing 767-200s of American Airlines and United Airlines intentionally crashed into World Trade Center towers.
2. Tenerife, Canary Islands, March 27 1977 - 583 killed
KLM Boeing 747-206B collides with Pan Am Boeing 747-121 on runway
3. Tokyo, Japan, August 12 1985 - 520 killed
JAL Boeing 747SR-46 crashes into mountain, 4 survivors
4. Charkhi Dadri, India, November 12 1996 - 349 victims
Saudi Arabian Airlines Boeing B747-168B collides in mid-air with Kazach
Ilyushin Il-76TD
5. Ermenonville, France, March 3 1974 - 346 killed
DC-10 Series 10 of THY Turkish Airlines cargo door bursts open - crashes in to forest
6. Irish Sea, June 23 1985 - 329 killed
Air India Boeing 747-237B, terrorist bomb
7. Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, August 19 1980 - 301 victims
Saudia L-1011-200 Tri-Star bursts into flames after emergency landing
8. Kinshasa, Zaire, January 8 1996 - 297+ killed
Overloaded African Air Antonov-32 crashes into market place - 4 of 5 crew members survive.
9. Persian Gulf, July 3 1988 - 290 dead
USS Vincennes downs Iran Air Airbus A300B2-202
10. Chicago, USA, May 25 1979 - 273 dead
American Airlines DC-10 Series 10 crashes due to damaged hydraulics
11. Lockerbie, Scotland, December 21 1988 - 270 killed
Lybian terrorists bomb attack on a Pan Am Boeing 747-121A
12. Belle Harbor, New York, November 12 2001 - 269 perished
American Airlines Airbus A300-600R crashes on takeoff.
13. Sakhalin Island, USSR, September 1 1983 - 269 perished
Soviet Su-15 downs a Korean Air Lines Boeing 747-230B
14. Nagoya, Japan, April 26 1994 - 264 dead
China Airlines Airbus A300B4-622R, 9 survivors
15. Jiddah, Saudi Arabia, July 11 1991 - 261 fatalities
Nationair Canada DC-8 Super 61 leased to Nigeria Airways catches fire after take-off caused by blown tires
16. Ross Island, Antarctica, November 29 1979 - 257 dead
Air New Zealand DC-10 Series 30 flies into polar mountain
17. Gander, Canada, December 12 1985 - 256 fatalities
Arrow Air Inc. DC-8 Super 63PF crashes during take-off
18. New York, USA, July 17 1996 - 230 perished
TWA Boeing 747-131 crashes into ocean near Long Island
19. Halifax, Nova Scotia, September 23 1998 - 229 killed
Swissair MD-11 crashes into the Atlantic after an in-flight fire
20. Agana, Guam, August 6 1997- 228 killed
Korean Air Lines Boeing 747-300 crashes into hillside on approach.
21. Ban Nong Rong, Thailand, May 26 1991 - 223 killed
Lauda Air Boeing 767-3Z9ER goes down after thrust reverser problems.
22. Nantucket, Mass., USA, October 31 1999 - 217 killed
Egypt Air 767-366ER crashes into the Atlantic Ocean for unknown reasons.
23. Maharashtra, India, January 1 1978 - 213 killed
Air India B-747-237B explodes in mid-air
24. Uch Kuduk, Uzbekistan, USSR, July 10 1985 - 200 fatalities
Aeroflot Tupolev 154B-2, goes into flat spin and crashes
25. Taipei, Taiwan, February 16 1998- 196 fatalities
China Airlines Airbus A300 crashes on go-around attempt
26. Maskeliya, Sri Lanka, December 4 1974 - 191 dead
Martinair DC-8 Series 55F hits mountain
27. Puerto Plata, Dominican Republic, February 6 1996 - 189 perished
Alas Nacionales Boeing 757-225 crashes into Atlantic due to wrong air speed indication
28. Immouzer, Morocco, August 3 1975 -188 killed
Alia Royal Jordanian Airlines Boeing 707-321C hits mountain
29. Katunayake, Sri Lanka, November 15 1978 - 184 killed
Icelandair DC-8 Super 63CF ploughs into a coconut plantation, 78 survivors
30. Warsaw, Poland, May 9 1987 - 182 killed
LOT Il-62MK crashes when two engines catch fire at an altitude of 8200 meters
31. Mejorada del Campo, Spain, November 27 1983 - 181 fatalities
Avianca Boeing 747-283B Combi crashes during approach, 11 survivors
32. Ajaccio, Corsica, December 1 1981 - 180 fatalities
Inex Adria Aviopromet Yugoslav DC-9 Super 82 crashes into mountain on approach
33. Zanderij, Surinam, June 7 1989 -177 killed
Crew of SLM DC-8 Super 62 ignores tower instructions, 10 survivors
34. Krasnaya Polyana, USSR, October 13 1972 - 176 dead
Ilyushin-62 crashes into a lake, ILS inoperative
35. Kano, Nigeria, January 22 1973 - 176 fatalities
Alia Royal Jordanian B-707-3D3C crashes during landing due to landing gear damage
36. Zagreb, Yugoslavia, September 10 1976 - 176 dead
Mid-air collision between Inex-Adria DC-9 Series 32 and BA HS Trident 3B, ATC language error
37. Dneprodzerzhinsk, USSR, August 11 1979 - 173 killed
Two Aeroflot Tu-134's collide at an altitude of 8000m
38. Tùnùrù Desert, Niger, September 19 1989 - 170 dead
Terrorist bomb aboard a Union de Transportes Aùriens DC-10 Series 30
39. Abidjan, Ivory Coast, Africa, January 30 2000 - 169 killed
Kenya Airways Airbus A310 crashes on takeoff.
40. San Andres mountains, Mexico, March 31 1986 - 167 killed
Mexicana Boeing 727-264, tire burst causes fuel leak
41. Kathmandu, Nepal, September 28 1992 - 167 fatalities
Pakistan International Airlines A300B4-203 crashes on approach
42. Alma-Ata, USSR, July 7 1980 - 163 fatalities
Aeroflot Tu-154B-2 crashes shortly after take-off
43. Lagos, Nigeria, September 27 1992 - 163 fatalities
44. Morioka, Japan, July 30 1971 - 162 dead
All Nippon Airways B-727-281 collides with JASDF F-86F Sabre
45. Havana, Cuba, September 3 1989 - 160 dead
Cubana de Aviacon Il-62M crashes killing all 126 aboard and 34 on ground
46. Xian, China, June 6 1994 - 160 fatalities
China Northwest Tupolev 154M
47. Cali, Columbia, December 20 1995 - 160 killed
Boeing 757-223 of American Airlines hits mountain, 4 survivors
48.Mauritius, Indian Ocean, November 28 1987 - 159 fatalities
South African Airways Boeing 747-244B self-igniting fire-works
49. Tripoli, Libya, December 22 1992 - 157 fatalities
Jamahiriya Lybian Arab Airlines Boeing Advanced 727-2L5 collides with MiG-23
50. SchŸnefeld, GDR, August 14 1972 - 156 killed
Interflug Gesellschaft Il-62 catches fire in rear fuselage
51. At Ta'if, Saudi Arabia, November 26 1979 - 156 victims
Pakistan International Airlines, B-707-340C, fire starts in the aft-cabin, total destruction
52. Detroit, USA, August 16 1987 - 156 perished
Northwest Airlines MD-82, slats not extended on takeoff, crashes on highway
53. Maracaibo, Venezuela, March 16 1969 - 155 perished
VIASA DC-9 Series 32 hits electric power line, crashes in suburb
54. Tenerife, Canary Islands, December 3 1972 - 155 killed
Spantax Covair 990-30A-5 Coronado, loss of control on take-off
55. Isparta, Turkey, September 19 1976 - 155 fatalities
THY Boeing Advanced 727-2F2, wrong airport assumed, hits mountain
56. Kenner, USA, July 9 1982 - 153 killed
Pan Am B-727-235 carrying 145 flies into thunderstorm crashes into suburbs at end of runway.
57. Saigon, Vietnam, April 4 1975 - 150+ killed
Loss of pressure blows out rear door on USAF C-5 Galaxy
58. Omsk, USSR, October 15 1984 - ‘150 victims
Aeroflot Tu-154 collides with fuel truck on runway
59. Bilbao, Spain, February 19 1985 - 148 dead
Iberia Boeing Advanced 727-256 crashes into TV antenna at the top Mt Oiz
60. Tenerife, Canary Islands, April 25 1980 - 146 fatalities
Dan-Air Services B-727-46 crashes into mountain on approach
61. Burdanovka, Russia, July 3 2001 - 145 died
Vladivostok Avia Tupolev 154 crashes on approach.
62. San Diego, USA, September 25 1978 - 144 died
Mid-air collision between Pacific Southwest Airlines B-727-214 and Cessna 172M
63. Palo Alto, Azores, February 8 1989 - 144 dead
Independent Air Inc. Boeing 707-331B hits mountain, communication error with tower
64. Manama, Bahrain, August 23 2000 - 143 killed
Gulf Air Airbus A320-212 crashes after missed approach.
65. Longyearbyen, Spitsbergen, Norway, August 29 1996 - 143 killed
Vnukovo Airlines Tu-154M crashes on arrival
66. Liutang, China, November 24 1992 - 141 fatalities
China Southern B-737-3YO hits mountain due to vibration in starboard engine
67. Kahengula, Angola, December 19 1995 - 141 perished
Trans Service Airlift Chartered Lockheed 188C Electra
68. Lagos, Nigeria, November 7 1996 - 141 victims
Nigerian Aviation Development Company Boeing B727 crashes into lagoon
69. Cucuta, Colombia, March 17 1988 - 139 killed
AVIANCA B-727-21, flies into mountain due to pilot error
70. Pacatuba, Brazil, June 8 1982 - 137 victims
Viacao Aerea Sao Paulo, Boeing Advanced 727-212, pilot is distracted by city lights
71. Dallas, USA, August 2 1985 - 137 perished
Delta Airlines Lockheed L-1011-1 Tri-Star encounters microburst
72. New York, United States of America, December 16 1960 - 134 killed
United Airlines DC-8 Series 11 collides with TWA Lockheed 1049 Super Constellation
73. Tokyo Bay, Japan, February 4 1966 - 133 dead
All Nippon Airways B-727-81 crashes, cause unknown
74. Medellin, Columbia, May 19 1993 - 133 fatalities
Aeronautics Society of Medellin Boeing 727-46 carrying a crew of 7
75. Belarussia, USSR, June 28 1982 - 132 casualties
Aeroflot Yakovlev 42 carrying 124 passengers and a crew of 8
76. Canton, China, October 2 1990 - 132 dead
Hijacked Chinese Boeing Advanced 737-247 first hits an empty B-707-3J6B and then a B-757-21B
77. Teheran, Iran, February 8 1993 - 132 fatalities
Mid-air collision of an Iran Air Tu-154M and a Sukhoi fighter
78. Pittsburgh, USA, September 8 1994 - 132 fatalities
USAir Boeing 737-3B7, uncommanded rudder condition.
79. Funchal, Portugal, November 19 1979 - 131 victims
TAP Boeing Advanced 727-282, overruns runway, plunges of cliff, strikes a
bridge, 33 survivors
80. Davao, Philippines, April 19 2000- 131 fatalities
Air Philippines Boeing 737-2H4 crashes on approach.
81. Las Mesitas, Honduras, October 21 1989 - 131 fatalities
TAN Airlines Boeing 727-224 hits mountain on approach, 19 survivors
82. Orly, France, June 3 1962 - 130 killed
Air France B-707-328 crashes on take-off
83. Sverdlovsk, USSR, November 11 1967 - 130 killed
Aeroflot Il-18 crashes due to radar failure
84. Lubango, Angola, November 8 1983 - 130 dead
TAAG-Angola Airlines Boeing Advanced 737-2M2 shot down by guerrillas
85. Gujarat India, October 19 1988 - 130 killed
Indian Airlines B-737-2A8 undershot runway hits trees and high-tension pylon
86. Tokyo, Japan, June 18 1953 - 129 dead
Engine failure on take-off USAF C-124 Globemaster II
87. South Vietnam, December 24 1966 - 129 fatalities
Military chartered Canadair CL-44
88. The Grand Canyon, USA, June 30 1956 - 128 perish
Mid-air collision between UAL DC-7 and TWA Lockheed 1049 Super Constellation
89. Markazi, Iran, January 21 1980 - 128 killed
Iran Air B-727-86 crashes due to ILS malfunction
90. Voronezh, USSR, March 5 1976 - 127 fatalities
Aeroflot Ilyushin 18D, pressurization failure during approach
91. Comoros Islands, November 23 1996 - 127 casualties
Hijacked Ethiopian Airlines B767-260ER runs out of fuel, crashes near shore, 48 survive
92. Nicosia, Cyprus, April 20 1967 - 126 killed
Globe Air Bristol Britannia 313 crashes on landing
93. Damascus, Syria, August 20 1975 - 126 killed
Ceskoslovenske Aerolinie Ilyushin-62 hits sandy hill during approach, 2 survivors
94. Irkutsk, Russia, January 4 1994 - 125 perished
Aeroflot Tupolev 154M goes down due to bad maintenance
95. Mount Fuji, Japan, March 5 1966 - 124 perish
BOAC B-707-436, fatigue cracks in a bolt hole on rear stabilizer
96. Windhoek, South-West Africa, April 20 1968 - 123 fatalities
South African Airways B-707-344C crashes on take-off, 5 survivors
97. Saulx-les-Chartreux, France, July 11 1973 - 123 killed
Varig Boeing 707-345C, total fire during descent, 11 survivors
98. Arequipa, Peru, February 29 1996 - 123 dead
Faucett B-737-222 crashes burning into mountain
99. Cairo, Egypt, May 20 1965 - 121 killed
Pakistan International Airlines B720-040B, nose-down condition, 6 survivors
100. Cuenca, Ecuador, July 11 1983 - 119 fatalities
TAME Boeing Advanced 727-2V2, tail section strikes a ridge, crashes into hilly terrain
Posted on 10/25/01 2:52 PM Pacific by FresnoDA
go here to get the story on Relman. See the links on post #3
Am I the only person who has read Executive Orders?
Apparently so.
Did you get much snow? We had 6-8 inches in Richmond. The children got an extra day on Christmas break. They're happy!
FReegards,
Posted on 10/25/01 2:52 PM Pacific by FresnoDA
Dear House Guest, the above link had been around for quite some time, but remains as relevant as the first day it was posted. It started out with some hystrionics, but has actually developed into an interesting discussion. I am sure that the government of Eygypt would be delicate and thoughtful toward any foreigners who stepped outside of the boundaries there, hmmm..... (NOT!)
There were survivors in several of the crashes. I'm asking you, since you appear to be backing this document. The Sioux City crash was also identical to several of the crashes listed here, in that the pilot and crew had no idea that something was going to occur to cause an incident. The only decision the captains could have made that would have prevented those incidents would be to not fly at all, a decision that would have been based on no evidence at all, other than a pilot saying "I don't feel like flying today."
Lets say the pilot acted entirely properly. And lets say the SS agent was a complete jerk. Does anyone agree with me that the last guy I want having his stomach churn when he takes off is the pilot? This guy should only be focusing on flight crew and instrument business, not hashing it out with some unruley passenger.
The idea of having a flight marshall on each flight to deal with such situations appeals to me. Anyone else?
Lets say the pilot acted entirely properly. And lets say the SS agent was a complete jerk. Does anyone agree with me that the last guy I want having his stomach churn when he takes off is the pilot? This guy should only be focusing on flight crew and instrument business, not hashing it out with some unruley passenger.
The idea of having a flight marshall on each flight to deal with such situations appeals to me. Anyone else?
BTW, in Tom Clancy's Executive Orders, one of the Secret Service agents, an Arabian/Muslim (I think), is a sleeper. Somebody wakes him up. :-)
There is another story about a trusted loyal American, an Arab who obtaind American citizenship, joined the US Army, put together a sterling record, rose through the ranks to non-commissioned officer-- staff sergeant I believe, even became a training instructor.
He was AlQaeda.
He left the US, military ID and all, to train some of the terrorists who attacked the United States.
No doubt, if he had been detained for suspicion at some point, you would be protesting about how unfair it would have been to mistreat this fine loyal citizen so...
That's a true story, in case anyone missed the point. It is, and has been, in current news releases, although I do not have a reference at hand.
There is another story about a trusted loyal American, an Arab who obtaind American citizenship, joined the US Army, put together a sterling record, rose through the ranks to non-commissioned officer-- staff sergeant I believe, even became a training instructor.
He was AlQaeda.
He left the US, military ID and all, to train some of the terrorists who attacked the United States.
No doubt, if he had been detained for suspicion at some point, you would be protesting about how unfair it would have been to mistreat this fine loyal citizen so...
That's a true story, in case anyone missed the point. It is, and has been, in current news releases, although I do not have a reference at hand.
There is another story about a trusted loyal American, an Arab who obtaind American citizenship, joined the US Army, put together a sterling record, rose through the ranks to non-commissioned officer-- staff sergeant I believe, even became a training instructor.
He was AlQaeda.
He left the US, military ID and all, to train some of the terrorists who attacked the United States.
No doubt, if he had been detained for suspicion at some point, you would be protesting about how unfair it would have been to mistreat this fine loyal citizen so...
That's a true story, in case anyone missed the point. It is, and has been, in current news releases, although I do not have a reference at hand.
I'm with you on this. AA should have a different procedure for federal agents who are allowed to carry guns.
I suspect the airlines AND the Secret Service are, as we speak, revising their policies as a result of this incident.
Post number 3 on that thread has 4 links-The link entitled:
AND FROM HERE - NAACP SITE - LAWYER REFERRAL - LOOK DOWN PAGE
Contains a virus
Howlin's Norton and my McAfee found it.
I did not check the other 2.
No, I am not by any means saying that less than 2900 killed is okay but it is much better than 4500 or what the terrorist had hoped for. Instead, I am saying that we should adjust the death toll to a correct number. By doing this we are proving to the terrorists that they can attack us at our largest buildings where 40,000 people work and only 2900 or 7.25% are killed. This 7.25% seems a failure to me and we, as Americans should let it be known.
In other words the success of NYC Police and Firefighters along with everyone who helped save a life on 9/11 was much more successful than the terrorist attack.
In even simpler words by saving 93% of the people in the WTC America told the terrorists that they could stick the WTC Towers up you know where and even one of the 37,000 lives that were saved are more important than the buildings.
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