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It's evening in America, Buchanan says, and immigrants are to blame (Buchanan interview)
Fort Worth Star-Telegram | 1/03/2002 | Jeff Guinn (Books Editor)

Posted on 01/03/2002 7:56:52 AM PST by sinkspur

Pat Buchanan is aware that potential readers of his new book already either adore him or disdain everything he writes "because I am the one writing it."

So in The Death of the West: How Dying Populations and Immigrant Invasions Imperil Our Country and Civilization (Thomas Dunne Books/St. Martin's Press, $25.95), the ex-presidential candidate and conservative pundit is trying to back up his apocalyptic projections with facts and figures provided by such disparate sources as "Russian leader Mr. Putin, a British archbishop and the United Nations. By drawing on what anyone would have to consider neutral sources, this makes my message far more powerful."

The gist of The Death of the West's messages:

Low birthrates are decimating the population of almost every European country - by 2050, only one-tenth of the world's population (America included) will be of European descent.

The unchecked influx of immigrants into America, legal and otherwise, is gradually handing the nation over to insurgents who come to force their foreign values on us rather than accepting ours.

Political correctness on the part of unwitting Americans plays into the hands of those who intend to obliterate our culture.

The events of Sept. 11 may provide enough of a wake-up call, Buchanan says, to make "the death of the West" only a threat rather than a certainty.

"The book is about a point I've been making for a long time, that the West is dying," Buchanan says during a lengthy phone conversation. "If we don't change how we do things, we'll be gone by the middle of this century, if not before. The horror of Sept. 11, I think, awoke a lot of Americans to new realities. It's a healthy thing to remember there are people out there who want to destroy us."

In Buchanan's opinion, it took terrorist attacks on New York City and the Washington, D.C., area to drive that message home to an American public more intent on hedonism than heroism.

"The '90s were a time of prosperity I've likened to the 1920s," Buchanan says. "The '20s were about money, drinking, jazz. The '90s were money, drugs, rock. The '20s ended with the stock market crash, the Depression, then on to Hitler, Tojo, Stalin. The 1990s ended on Sept. 11. We're at the kind of place Walter Lippmann called 'a plastic moment,' a time when people can change their destiny. I hope this book helps that. I'm not so much predicting these awful things will happen as saying, 'This is what the end is if the numbers remain the same.' "

Not that he holds much hope: "To many American young people, people like me belong to a bad old era. They've been taught that in school, indoctrinated in it. They want to say goodbye to the way our generation did things. This is why I don't think much will be done about the problems we face."

Buchanan acknowledges he's saying things that most Americans would prefer not to hear and that many condemn as racist and inflammatory.

"My response is that it's too late in the day for political correctness," he says. "After Sept. 11, with those acts perpetrated by people we literally welcomed into this country, Americans ought to be aware there is such a thing as too much diversity, too much welcoming. Look: I've said that if you bring 100 Zulu tribesmen into Virginia and 1 million British, the British would be assimilated more comfortably. I base that on those British coming into an American culture based on English law and tradition. And when I said that, something that seems like a simple statement, I've been accused of racism."

Now, Buchanan says, "I could substitute Iranians or Saudis for the Zulu, and people might understand." And, he adds, originally citing the Zulus was in no way racist "because I'm friends with the Zulu ruler. It's just a matter of acknowledging the differences in culture."

Potential immigrants should be judged by one measure, Buchanan adds: "Are they likely to carry on our culture, which makes America a unique country and civilization? Or are they not?"

Population explosions in Islamic, African and Latin American nations are coinciding with a decline in the U.S. birthrate, Buchanan notes, citing U.N. studies. To bolster "American cultural" numbers, Buchanan concludes in The Death of the West, American women should be encouraged via tax breaks to increase the country's population: "A free society cannot force women to have children, but a healthy society can reward those who preserve it by doing so."

Though he doesn't broach the subject in The Death of the West, in conversation Buchanan is willing to also discuss his own future.

"Politically speaking, I ran two times for the Republican nomination," he says. "We came close in '96, and we'd have gotten it instead of [Bob] Dole with one more primary win. In 2000, we tried to create a new party. It didn't work. So my political career is probably over."

But Buchanan has no intention of abandoning public debate.

"I've done my best to say the things I thought necessary, and I intend to keep writing books and to keep speaking out," he says. "I love doing it. I hope the Lord gives me 25 more years. If people don't like me or my message, well, that's not my concern. Political correctness is almost an impenetrable shield of basic realities."

For education and discussion purposes only.


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1 posted on 01/03/2002 7:56:53 AM PST by sinkspur
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To: sinkspur
Low birthrates are decimating the population of almost every European country - by 2050, only one-tenth of the world's population (America included) will be of European descent.

I'd say this is a very interesting comment, coming from a guy with no kids.

2 posted on 01/03/2002 8:01:37 AM PST by Alberta's Child
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To: sinkspur
American women should be encouraged via tax breaks to increase the country's population...

You mean welfare, food stamps, tax credits, etc. aren't working?

3 posted on 01/03/2002 8:05:01 AM PST by randog
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To: sinkspur
Buchanan concludes in The Death of the West, American women should be encouraged via tax breaks to increase the country's population:

Though Western populations are indeed plummeting, this type of collectivist solution didn't work in Europe.

4 posted on 01/03/2002 8:14:51 AM PST by A Ruckus of Dogs
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To: sinkspur
Potential immigrants should be judged by one measure, Buchanan adds: "Are they likely to carry on our culture, which makes America a unique country and civilization? Or are they not?"

What exactly is "our culture?" Instead of being bedazzled by Buchanan's glibness, the reporter should have pressed him to define his terms.

5 posted on 01/03/2002 8:25:43 AM PST by Catspaw
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To: A Ruckus of Dogs
Though Western populations are indeed plummeting, this type of collectivist solution didn't work in Europe.
Yeah. But Europe is full of Europeans. So nothing is going to work there, collectivist, market based, whatever.

Maybe Buchanan got a hold of Huntington's Clash of Civilizations, another grim apocaplyptica based on demographic grounds. Or maybe he read Raspail's Camp of the Saints. Whatever.

I tend to side with the declinists, Spengler, Huntington et al. We had a good run. Now it's time to turn out the lights.
6 posted on 01/03/2002 8:32:16 AM PST by Asclepius
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To: sinkspur
Ho-hum. Been there, done this.

I wonder if Pat gives any credit to the first guy who wrote this book. He was one of Hitler's favorites.

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Oswald Spengler  

Oswald SpenglerThe German historicist writer, Oswald Spengler, was born at Blankenburg, Harz, studied at Halle, Munich and Berlin and taught mathematics (1908) in Hamburg before devoting himself entirely to the compilation of the prophetic philosophy of history, The Decline of the West (Vol. I, 1918, Vol. II, 1922). In this work, Spengler argued by analogy, in the manner of Hegel and Marx, that all civilizations or cultures are subject to the same cycles of growth and decay in accordance with predetermined "historical destiny." The soul of Western Civilization is dead. The age of soulless expansionism and Caesarism is upon us. It is better for Western man, therefore, to be engineer rather than poet, soldier rather than artist, politician rather than philosopher. Spengler was more concerned with the present and future rather than with the origins of civilization. 

Extract from Oswald Spangler's Years of Decision.

The Celtic-German "race" has the strongest will-power the world has ever seen. But this "I will", "I will!" -- which fills the Faustian soul to the brim, makes up the ultimate meaning of its existence and prevails in every expression of Faustian culture in thought and deed, in creative act and demeanor -- awakens consciousness of the total isolation of the Self in infinite space. Will and loneliness are at bottom the same....

If anything in the world is individualism, it is this defiance of the individual towards the whole world, his knowledge of his own indestructible will, the pleasure he takes in irreversible decisions, and the love of fate even in the moment when he goes under because of them. To submit out of free will is Prussian. The value of the sacrifice lies in its difficulty. He who has no Self to sacrifice should not talk of loyalty.... Genuine -- genuinely Prussian -- loyalty is what the world needs most in this age of catastrophes. One can only rely on something which stands firm. This insight is the mark of the true leader....

It is high time that the "white" world, and first and foremost Germany, became mindful of such facts. For behind the world wars and the as yet incomplete proletarian world revolution there looms the greatest of all dangers, the black danger, and everything the white peoples still have to offer worthy of the name "race" will be necessary to combat it. Above all it must be remembered that Germany is not the island which political ideologues think it is, treating it as no more than an object with which to realize their programmes. It is just a tiny spot in a vast world in ferment, albeit in a crucial position within this world. It alone has the Prussian spirit working within it as a living reality. Endowed with this treasure which enables it to be a role model of existence, Germany can be the educator of the "white world," perhaps even its savior....

The coming phase of history will henceforth be lived out far above economic crises and the ideals of domestic politics. Elemental forces of life are now entering the fray where the stakes are all or nothing. The prototypes of Caesarism will soon become more clearly defined, more conscious, more brazen. The masks surviving from the parliamentary age of transition will fall away entirely. All attempts to determine the shape of the future within political parties will be quickly forgotten. The fascist formations of these decades will turn into new ones as yet unpredictable, and even nationalism as we know it will disappear. Everywhere, not just in Germany, the only formative power left is the warlike "Prussian" spirit. Destiny, once confined within imposing institutions and weighty traditions, will make history through amorphous and unique expressions of force. The legions of Caesar are reawakening.

Here, perhaps even in this century, the final decisions are waiting for the man to take them. In front of him the petty goals and concepts of today's politics count as nothing. Whoever holds the sword which wrests victory now will be lord of the world. There lies the dice of this monstrous game. Who dares to cast them? .....


 

--------------------------------------------------- Source: http://www.oswaldmosley.com/people/spengler.html

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You would think that with all the time Pat has on his hands these days, he could have come up with something origonal.


7 posted on 01/03/2002 8:35:18 AM PST by Ditto
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To: sinkspur
American women should be encouraged via tax breaks to increase the country's population...

Would Buchanan offer this tax break to black women, legal immigrants from Vietnam and poor Mexican-Americans who barely speak English? Or would he only reserve them for white American women?

When is Buchanan going to realize that Western civilization has been held together by Western ideals, not his white skin color?

8 posted on 01/03/2002 8:38:36 AM PST by 11th Earl of Mar
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To: sinkspur
Meanwhile, we have a 1,050-post lovefest from the Brigadiers, many of whom seem intent on turning FR into StormFront Lite...
9 posted on 01/03/2002 8:43:07 AM PST by Poohbah
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To: 11th Earl of Mar
Shh...the Brigadiers might hear you using logic and common sense. Can't have that...
10 posted on 01/03/2002 8:44:47 AM PST by Poohbah
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To: Poohbah
What an embarrassment that thread is.
11 posted on 01/03/2002 8:49:54 AM PST by denydenydeny
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To: sinkspur
Wonderful! Himself is putting on his Ultramontagne togs and trying to out-Spengler Spengler! Pat, I read Oswald Spengler's Untergang des Abendlandes, and you're no Oswald Spengler. Pat has become increasingly irrelevant and it seems that he senses it. As if in response, his writings have morphed from social commentary into Jeremiads that make Ayn Rand look saner every time he dips his quill in the inkwell.
12 posted on 01/03/2002 8:52:34 AM PST by CatoRenasci
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To: 11th Earl of Mar
When is Buchanan going to realize that Western civilization has been held together by Western ideals, not his white skin color?

I see. It is western ideals, and not western people, who hold together western civilization.

13 posted on 01/03/2002 9:06:59 AM PST by traditionalist
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To: denydenydeny
I suspect that some of the folks on it are DemocRATic Underground infiltrators, trying to get FR painted as a racialist site.
14 posted on 01/03/2002 9:09:04 AM PST by Poohbah
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To: Catspaw
What exactly is "our culture?" Instead of being bedazzled by Buchanan's glibness, the reporter should have pressed him to define his terms.

Perhaps nothing is sadder than the fact that people would have to ask that question. The Founding Fathers left a vast amount of material to define our concepts and vision for the future. The next generations of Americans produced a considerable body of literature, reflecting and recording the development of that future. There is nothing secret about it.

There is no better place to start a quest for understanding than in Washington's Farewell Address. For an analysis of considerations affecting the determination of Immigration policy, see Immigration & The American Future. For some insight into the attack on our cultural cohesion, see Destroying Cultural Continuity.

William Flax

15 posted on 01/03/2002 9:10:39 AM PST by Ohioan
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To: traditionalist
I believe Western ideals put into practice will cause ANY society to succeed, regardless of the skin color of the people who implement them.

If you believe otherwise, please tell us which skin colors are incompatable with Western ideals?

16 posted on 01/03/2002 9:17:23 AM PST by 11th Earl of Mar
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To: traditionalist
I see. It is western ideals, and not western people, who hold together western civilization.

Thanks for this post.

There are none so blind...

17 posted on 01/03/2002 9:20:29 AM PST by skeeter
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To: Ohioan
Carefull...your logic will not sit well with the deaf blind and stupid...happy to say I will have Pat on my show for two hours Jan 11th
18 posted on 01/03/2002 9:21:59 AM PST by robnoel
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To: traditionalist
You seem to find the statement--Western ideals, not skin color, make the West great--objectionable.

To me it makes far more sense than the alternative, which is that there is some kind of magical fairy dust contained in white DNA that makes us superior.

I don't believe in fairy dust. Nature is usually very instructive, and if one "race" were significantly superior or inferior to another, then nature would not permit reproduction of hybrids. Think horses and donkeys.

In the modern world, race-thinking is always the basis of the lazy, inferior man's claim to superiority over others.

19 posted on 01/03/2002 9:27:48 AM PST by denydenydeny
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To: A Ruckus of Dogs
Though Western populations are indeed plummeting, this type of collectivist solution didn't work in Europe

Tax Cuts! are not collectivist. While I would prefer replacing the current system, we should try make the current system better. Changes to help stay at home moms, and home-schoolers, private schools, etc. At the very least it would bug the liberals.

20 posted on 01/03/2002 9:31:42 AM PST by Sci Fi Guy
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