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It's evening in America, Buchanan says, and immigrants are to blame (Buchanan interview)
Fort Worth Star-Telegram | 1/03/2002 | Jeff Guinn (Books Editor)

Posted on 01/03/2002 7:56:52 AM PST by sinkspur

Pat Buchanan is aware that potential readers of his new book already either adore him or disdain everything he writes "because I am the one writing it."

So in The Death of the West: How Dying Populations and Immigrant Invasions Imperil Our Country and Civilization (Thomas Dunne Books/St. Martin's Press, $25.95), the ex-presidential candidate and conservative pundit is trying to back up his apocalyptic projections with facts and figures provided by such disparate sources as "Russian leader Mr. Putin, a British archbishop and the United Nations. By drawing on what anyone would have to consider neutral sources, this makes my message far more powerful."

The gist of The Death of the West's messages:

Low birthrates are decimating the population of almost every European country - by 2050, only one-tenth of the world's population (America included) will be of European descent.

The unchecked influx of immigrants into America, legal and otherwise, is gradually handing the nation over to insurgents who come to force their foreign values on us rather than accepting ours.

Political correctness on the part of unwitting Americans plays into the hands of those who intend to obliterate our culture.

The events of Sept. 11 may provide enough of a wake-up call, Buchanan says, to make "the death of the West" only a threat rather than a certainty.

"The book is about a point I've been making for a long time, that the West is dying," Buchanan says during a lengthy phone conversation. "If we don't change how we do things, we'll be gone by the middle of this century, if not before. The horror of Sept. 11, I think, awoke a lot of Americans to new realities. It's a healthy thing to remember there are people out there who want to destroy us."

In Buchanan's opinion, it took terrorist attacks on New York City and the Washington, D.C., area to drive that message home to an American public more intent on hedonism than heroism.

"The '90s were a time of prosperity I've likened to the 1920s," Buchanan says. "The '20s were about money, drinking, jazz. The '90s were money, drugs, rock. The '20s ended with the stock market crash, the Depression, then on to Hitler, Tojo, Stalin. The 1990s ended on Sept. 11. We're at the kind of place Walter Lippmann called 'a plastic moment,' a time when people can change their destiny. I hope this book helps that. I'm not so much predicting these awful things will happen as saying, 'This is what the end is if the numbers remain the same.' "

Not that he holds much hope: "To many American young people, people like me belong to a bad old era. They've been taught that in school, indoctrinated in it. They want to say goodbye to the way our generation did things. This is why I don't think much will be done about the problems we face."

Buchanan acknowledges he's saying things that most Americans would prefer not to hear and that many condemn as racist and inflammatory.

"My response is that it's too late in the day for political correctness," he says. "After Sept. 11, with those acts perpetrated by people we literally welcomed into this country, Americans ought to be aware there is such a thing as too much diversity, too much welcoming. Look: I've said that if you bring 100 Zulu tribesmen into Virginia and 1 million British, the British would be assimilated more comfortably. I base that on those British coming into an American culture based on English law and tradition. And when I said that, something that seems like a simple statement, I've been accused of racism."

Now, Buchanan says, "I could substitute Iranians or Saudis for the Zulu, and people might understand." And, he adds, originally citing the Zulus was in no way racist "because I'm friends with the Zulu ruler. It's just a matter of acknowledging the differences in culture."

Potential immigrants should be judged by one measure, Buchanan adds: "Are they likely to carry on our culture, which makes America a unique country and civilization? Or are they not?"

Population explosions in Islamic, African and Latin American nations are coinciding with a decline in the U.S. birthrate, Buchanan notes, citing U.N. studies. To bolster "American cultural" numbers, Buchanan concludes in The Death of the West, American women should be encouraged via tax breaks to increase the country's population: "A free society cannot force women to have children, but a healthy society can reward those who preserve it by doing so."

Though he doesn't broach the subject in The Death of the West, in conversation Buchanan is willing to also discuss his own future.

"Politically speaking, I ran two times for the Republican nomination," he says. "We came close in '96, and we'd have gotten it instead of [Bob] Dole with one more primary win. In 2000, we tried to create a new party. It didn't work. So my political career is probably over."

But Buchanan has no intention of abandoning public debate.

"I've done my best to say the things I thought necessary, and I intend to keep writing books and to keep speaking out," he says. "I love doing it. I hope the Lord gives me 25 more years. If people don't like me or my message, well, that's not my concern. Political correctness is almost an impenetrable shield of basic realities."

For education and discussion purposes only.


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To: Roscoe
In response to your bonehead post, I'd like to ask where you saw Pat say that he wants to deport any blacks, any legally immigrated hispanics or members of any other group? None of us have asked for such a thing. Your intimation speaks volumes about your own inability to read and assess issues.
141 posted on 01/03/2002 12:41:31 PM PST by DoughtyOne
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To: sinkspur
The number of children Pat and Shelley have is completley irrelevant to Buchanan's argument. In fact, it bespeaks bad manners even mentioning it. Of course, if either Pat or Shelley are infertile, there's not much they can do about not having childen.
142 posted on 01/03/2002 12:41:59 PM PST by Thorin
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To: sinkspur
Great resource, Stinky. Jeff Guinn writes for something called The Vampyre Underground.

CANA - The Vampyre Underground

CANA
Christian Answers for the New Age

THE VAMPYRE UNDERGROUND
(page 4 of 4)
by Marcia Montenegro
First written in 2001

RESOURCES
Katherine Ramsland, Piercing the Darkness: Undercover with Vampires in America Today: An in-depth psychological and sociological look at and analysis of the vampire underground. Ramsland, a psychologist, went undercover into the vampire underground, interviewed those in the vampire culture and reports on what she saw firsthand, as well as giving numerous evaluations of the culture by other researchers, artists, and psychologists who have studied this subculture. Her book also devotes a chapter to the vampire role-playing games.

Jeff Guinn, Something in the Blood: Guinn, an author and associate book editor, traveled around the country with Andy Greiser, a newspaper editorial assistant, and they report on their one-on-one interviews with various people who research or are active in the vampire underground. There is not a lot of analysis, but there is good observation and objective presentation of the people they interviewed, as well as a look at vampire folklore and the vampire in literature and movies.

Rosemary Guiley, Vampires Among Us: Guiley, a researcher and author who has written several books on occult and paranormal topics, presents a more personal but insightful approach, describing stories of vampires and her encounters with people who consider themselves vampires. Guiley also considers the history and folklore of vampires and their differences with today’s vampire scene.

ENDNOTES
1 This information is based mainly on talking to individuals who identify themselves as Goths. These discussions took place in Goth clubs, on the Internet, and with those contacted in the course of ministry. There is very little written information on the Goth culture since it is a loosely knit social movement, and there are various theories on what Goth represents.
2 An ankh is a cross topped by an oval-shaped loop, representing the masculine (cross) and feminine (loop) energies. The ankh is a symbol from Egyptian religion and was used in connection with Isis and other deities to represent their immortality and power over death.
3 Mark Rein-Hagen, et al., The Masquerade, 2d edition (Stone Mtn., GA: White Wolf, Inc.), 1994.
4 Ibid., 20, 52; see also Katherine Ramsland, Piercing the Darkness: Undercover with Vampires in America Today, Advance Reader’s Edition, (NY, NY: HarperCollins Publishers, Inc, 1998), Chapter Thirteen, 209-19.
5 Rein-Hagen, 13.
6 Ramsland, 242-3.
7 Ibid., 148.
8 Jeff Guinn with Andy Grieser, Something in the Blood (Arlington, TX: The Summit Publishing Group, 1996), 38.
9 All sources cited, including the game books, discuss vampires in clans as well as solitary vampires. Information is also from personal conversations this writer had with someone who was involved in the vampire underground.
10 Ramsland, 81.
11 Rosemary Ellen Guiley, Vampires Among Us (NY, NY: Pocket Books/Simon and Schuster Inc., 1991), 74-102; Ramsland, 135-6..
12 Guiley, 85.
13 Ibid., 93.
14 Ramsland, 95, 168.
15 Guinn, 29.
16 Ramsland, 85.
17 Rein-Hagen, 15; this is also echoed in Ramsland, 92.
18 “The Washington Post,” 2-28-98, A3.
19 “USA Today,” 12-9-96, 3A; “The Washington Post,” 11-30-96, A2; 12-5-96, A26.
20 “The Washington Post,” 2-28-98, A3.
21 Guinn, 19.
22 Guiley, Chapter Eight, “Psychic Vampires,” 190-226; Guinn, 181.
23 Guinn,, 38, 39.
24 Chris W. McCubbin, Vampire, The Masquerade Companion, (Steven Jackson Games Incorporated, 1994), 11.
25 Ibid., 47; also Ramsland, 210-11.
26 McCubbin, 47.
27 Ibid.
28 Ibid., 80-84.
29 Guinn, 54-5.
30 Ibid., Appendix B.
31 Ibid., 35-6.
32 Ibid., 97, 143, 150.
33 Ibid., 97.
34 Ramsland, 248.

 

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143 posted on 01/03/2002 12:44:51 PM PST by Jethro Tull
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To: Alberta's Child
""I'd say this is a very interesting comment, coming from a guy with no kids.""

I guess that makes him a liar, with your 9th grade logic. Pat's wife was unable to bear children.
144 posted on 01/03/2002 12:45:10 PM PST by 1 FELLOW FREEPER
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To: A Ruckus of Dogs
And you are missing the point. Which is, that one person should not be forced to subsidize the family of another.

A little late to be making that argument.

But as long as we're going to subsidize any kind of behavior I can scarcely imagine anything more worthy and beneficial to our society than one that would facilitate the raising & educating our future workforce.

And even better it can be done WITHOUT transferring wealth.

145 posted on 01/03/2002 12:45:24 PM PST by skeeter
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To: Key
The white population is on the decline since we all went after the 'American Dream' and wanted a couple of kids that we could afford, rather than 6 or 8 that we couldn't feed.

So, to get the white race copulating and populating, we ought to have kids we can't feed?

I'm missing something here.

146 posted on 01/03/2002 12:46:07 PM PST by sinkspur
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To: Key
White young people would marry each other because there would be no other choice.

Sufferage and peudo sophistication has comtaminated us with feminists who don't want to marry. When their clock dictates at 30+ they buy a sperm and have one baby.

Options being used now by many white males is to check the Phillipino, Russian penpal market. Others simply go to Yugoslavia, Albania or China and bring back a family. Raise them here, and we're all the better off for it.

Who would marry a feminazie?

147 posted on 01/03/2002 12:47:13 PM PST by duckln
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To: Thorin
"And this change in the culture helps explain why Hispanics and Asians are beginning to form all sorts of special interest groups, modelled after the NAACP and the like, to lobby for more goodies and discrimination against white people, which is politely referred to as "affirmative action.""

Asians don't benefit from affirmative action policies, at least not in education. Furthermore, almost 40% of both Hispanics and Asians marry outside their ethnic group these days. How do you think this will affect the future of the ethnic special interest groups?

148 posted on 01/03/2002 12:48:55 PM PST by Truthsayer20
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To: DoughtyOne
Whew! Is our nation in a world of hurt or what?

Oh yea. And nothing has revealed just how far gone we are now than FR. After all, when the "good guys" internalize, regurgitate and act upon the very same false presumptions as the bad guys, the bad guys can dominate the battlefield even if its the "good guys" who happen to be holding the flag and the high ground for the moment.

That is our present state. As such, "conservatism's" recent "victories" have been the most devastating and demoralizing losses of all (at least to me).

149 posted on 01/03/2002 12:49:05 PM PST by Arator
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To: Arator
And nothing has revealed just how far gone we are now than FR.

FR is doing fine. How are Buchanan, Fulani and your website doing?

150 posted on 01/03/2002 12:52:32 PM PST by Roscoe
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To: DoughtyOne
And nothing has revealed just how far gone we are now more than FR.

Just clarifying my prior post. It needed "more". LOL.

151 posted on 01/03/2002 12:52:48 PM PST by Arator
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To: sinkspur
*LOL*@So, to get the white race copulating and populating, we ought to have kids we can't feed?

Did I say that? No!....(this is loading so slowly for me that I can't go back to copy and paste...)

That post had to do with tax breaks and incentives to have kids. Most people couldn't afford 6 or 8 kids, so didn't have that many. Maybe if they had the tax breaks and the cash, they would have had more kids and the 'white' race wouldn't be on the decline, now.

152 posted on 01/03/2002 12:54:23 PM PST by Key
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To: Weisbrot
Bump for the article posted in #21 above. I really admire Jews. Sometimes it comes across as negative, but if you read that article you really have to admire them. Somehow in all this multicultural hodge-podge they manage to maintain some identity, some continuity.

I don't imagine myself to be a racist or supremist or what not, but think of what would happen if a non-jewish white person talked about the same issues. They would first be labeled a racist, accused of a hate crime, then they would probably be labeled an anti-semite for good measure!

I have to agree with Pat here, our culture (American culture, not WHITE culture) is on its way out. I don't see any way to fix things based on our current system. I'm going to be 30 in a few weeks and I don't want to have kids, I don't think I want to bring them into this world the way it is going.

Oh well, that was a little rambling, but you get the idea. Happy New Year everyone.

153 posted on 01/03/2002 12:54:42 PM PST by Davidb72
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To: Arator
....Oh yea. And nothing has revealed just how far gone we are now than FR. .....

Seriously, why do you hang around a place that you feel is gone beyond what you want and has gone so far down the road of destruction. Doesn't it hurt you so much that you would want to get away from it? It seems it would.

154 posted on 01/03/2002 12:57:54 PM PST by deport
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To: DoughtyOne
"In response to your bonehead post, I'd like to ask where you saw Pat say that he wants to deport any blacks, any legally immigrated hispanics or members of any other group? None of us have asked for such a thing."

Really? On an earlier thread about the same subject we had at least two gentlemen who argued for the "repatriation" of naturalized American citizens. They also claimed to be supporters of Pat and paleoconservatives. I didn't notice, although I might have missed it, any criticism towards their views from any of the Buchanan supporters.

155 posted on 01/03/2002 12:58:36 PM PST by Truthsayer20
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To: Jethro Tull
Great resource, Stinky. Jeff Guinn writes for something called The Vampyre Underground.

So? Most of the article I posted were BUCHANAN'S OWN WORDS!

I care about where Guinn writes as much as I care how much leftover Spam you have in your bunker from your ill-fated Y2K hysteria.

156 posted on 01/03/2002 1:00:27 PM PST by sinkspur
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To: Truthsayer20
The Asian population in California, despite its reputation for conservatism, voted against Prop. 187, which was intended to end welfare for illegal immigrants, and also voted against Proposition 194, which was intended to end affirmative action. Of course, these same Asians also voted heavily for Al Gore.

My guess is that their children will follow this liberalism. After all, under affirmative action, anyone with some minority ancestry may end up benefitting.

157 posted on 01/03/2002 1:04:05 PM PST by Thorin
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To: Truthsayer20
Really? On an earlier thread about the same subject we had at least two gentlemen who argued for the "repatriation" of naturalized American citizens. They also claimed to be supporters of Pat and paleoconservatives. I didn't notice, although I might have missed it, any criticism towards their views from any of the Buchanan supporters.

I was on that thread. The proposal was that the naturalized citizens would be taken back by their countries via treaty negotiation, and if not, they'd be sent to Hawaii. When I did a google search on the book and author the poster cited, it lead me to the Institute for Historical Review, a Holocaust denier site, once owned by Willis Carto. I wasn't surprised.

158 posted on 01/03/2002 1:04:08 PM PST by Catspaw
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To: browardchad
Hmmm, I wonder if the mass naturalization candidates during the Clinton administration took those "detailed" tests of "up to 20" multiple-choice questions. Or maybe they "verbally answered" "a set of civic questions." (Check out the INS site: if you study the colors of the American flag, you'll probably pass.) There are also language waivers for at least 3 different situations.

My mother in law is one of those new citizens. Doesn't speak a single word of english & wouldn't know an inalienable right from a taxpayer subsidized free senior's pass to Atlantic City.

She and her community of new "citizens" nicknamed Bill Clinton their "son" because being a good liberal he was viewed as their provider. Taking her new responsibilities as a citizen seriously she does what she can to ensure her opinions are informed - the other day she announced that she & all her friends think Bush's foreign policy is to blame for 9/11.

Warms my heart when I consider that she and tens of thousands like her are now able to participate in this Great Experiment. By all means let's import more!

159 posted on 01/03/2002 1:07:01 PM PST by skeeter
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To: Truthsayer20
"If we had to take a million immigrants in, say, Zulus, next year, or Englishmen, and put them in Virginia, what group would be easier to assimilate?" (1991)
--Pat Buchanan

"He was speaking off the top of his head. He didn't call them 'jungle bunnies' or something like that."
--Buchanan's brother James

160 posted on 01/03/2002 1:08:02 PM PST by Roscoe
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