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Bill Offered to Give FBI Access to Gun Records
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Posted on 12/08/2001 9:49:30 PM PST by Sir Gawain

Bill Offered to Give FBI Access to Gun Records
December 7, 2001 6:56 pm EST

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A day after U.S. Attorney General John Ashcroft told Congress existing law does not allow the FBI to compare the names of suspected terrorists with federal gun purchase records, two senators introduced a bill on Friday to allow such action.

"It makes no sense to deny these records to the FBI in its ongoing investigation of the atrocities of September 11th," Sen. Edward Kennedy of Massachusetts said in a statement.

Kennedy joined Sen. Charles Schumer of New York in offering the measure. Both are members of the Senate Judiciary Committee, before which Ashcroft testified on Thursday.

The attorney general, in defending his decision to block the FBI from using gun documents in its probe of the Sept. 11 attacks on the United States, said the law does not allow investigators to review the federal records created when a buyer applies to buy a firearm.

His stand drew angry words from a number of Democrats, who noted the former U.S. Republican senator from Missouri has been a longtime defender of gun rights.

Asked at Thursday's hearing if he wanted the FBI to have the power to review gun records in its terror investigation, Ashcroft said he would not comment on "a hypothetical," but would be "happy to consider" any such legislation that would enable it to do so.

Kennedy said on Friday the bill he and Schumer offered would do that, and called on the administration to back it.

Meanwhile, the Justice Department said it would review the regulations on accessing gun-purchase records.

A Justice Department official told reporters on Friday he would check with the FBI and other agencies to see if they thought there was an "operational need" to warrant a change in the law.

"We are continuing this top to bottom review, so we will take a look at it now that the question has been raised," the official said.



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1 posted on 12/08/2001 9:49:30 PM PST by Sir Gawain
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2 posted on 12/08/2001 9:49:48 PM PST by Sir Gawain
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To: sirgawain
has been a longtime defender of gun rights
Imagine, an attorney general upholding the constitution.
3 posted on 12/08/2001 9:52:59 PM PST by Libertina
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To: sirgawain
I have a feeling this won't make it out of the Senate let alone get consideration in the House. At least we can hope.
4 posted on 12/08/2001 9:53:49 PM PST by Libertarianize the GOP
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To: sirgawain
I was listening to KVI570 the other day, and a caller claimed that police could punch in a name and age, and get a list of handguns that person owned. The host, John Carlson, doubted this and asked any listening cops to call in. Sure enough, a cop calls up and stated that the caller was correct. John asked how that was anything other than gun registration, and the cop agreed.
5 posted on 12/08/2001 9:54:41 PM PST by Professional
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To: Professional
Washington State, btw.
6 posted on 12/08/2001 9:55:16 PM PST by Professional
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To: sirgawain
I'm in favor of gun rights-but not for terrorists
7 posted on 12/08/2001 9:55:33 PM PST by arielb
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To: sirgawain
bttt
8 posted on 12/08/2001 9:55:55 PM PST by Travis McGee
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To: Libertarianize the GOP
I have a feeling this won't make it out of the Senate let alone get consideration in the House

I hope you're right but the media has grabbed hold of this.

9 posted on 12/08/2001 9:56:40 PM PST by Jean S
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To: Libertarianize the GOP
Fat Tedder let the terrorists in and now he is trying to deflect the blame to gun owners. God when will that pompous, perfidious toad explode??
10 posted on 12/08/2001 9:57:01 PM PST by Righty1
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To: sirgawain
The democRATS are at it again. Here's their chance, and they know it.

Nevermind that terrorists who needed weapons probably bought them on the street.

I've never seen ANY arabs at the gun shows I've been to.

11 posted on 12/08/2001 9:57:25 PM PST by Bill Rice
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To: Libertina
Bump!
12 posted on 12/08/2001 9:57:40 PM PST by onyx
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To: sirgawain
Can non-citizens buy guns? If not, why would their names show up on the list? I've bought a lot of guns over the last several years and every time I fill out the forms, there is always at least one spot asking if the buyer is a US citizen. If it doesn't matter, why ask? Regardless..........Teddy and clan just want another avenue to get at gun owners.
13 posted on 12/08/2001 10:04:14 PM PST by umgud
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To: Libertarianize the GOP
If the Senate votes on it, it will pass.

Pro-rights Dems
Baucus(ex-anti)
Z. Miller (I think)
Ben Nelson? (I heard he was)
Jim Jeffords?(Unreliable, voted right on gun shows)
And Dayton is unknown, but I think an Anti. Anti Rights GOPERS
McStain
DeWine
Lugar
John Warner
Voinovich
And that's not counting Specter, Snowe, and Collins who are not reliable.

14 posted on 12/08/2001 10:05:25 PM PST by Dan from Michigan
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When we got organized as a country and we wrote a fairly radical Constitution with a radical Bill of Rights, giving a radical amount of individual freedom to Americans ..."

"And so a lot of people say there's too much personal freedom. When personal freedom's being abused, you have to move to limit it. That's what we did in the announcement I made last weekend on the public housing projects, about how we're going to have weapon sweeps and more things like that to try to make people safer in their communities."

President Bill Clinton, 3/22/94,
MTV's "Enough is Enough"

"We can't be so fixated on our desire to preserve the rights of ordinary Americans ..."

Bill Clinton
(USA TODAY, 11 March 1993, page 2A)

15 posted on 12/08/2001 10:06:59 PM PST by mdittmar
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To: Dan from Michigan
The Dem’s need 60 votes to overcome a filibuster. It may be close.
16 posted on 12/08/2001 10:09:00 PM PST by Libertarianize the GOP
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To: sirgawain
Kennedy and Schumer are at it again, gee, what a surprise. Frankly my dog has more on the ball than these two, and I think he was hit on the head as a puppy.
17 posted on 12/08/2001 10:09:57 PM PST by goodieD
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To: Libertina
has been a longtime defender of gun rights (Imagine, an attorney general upholding the constitution.)

Don't be fooled by Ashcroft's present policy statements.
#1. Ashcroft basically told the congress that he could not violate present brady law.
2. He then intimated that "if" the law was changed, he would then be able to invade peoples privacy.
3. Senators then present a bill in "responce" to the A.G.s' comments.
I think it's called "hagaillian" politics, or something like that. a. create a problem. b. introduce the desired solution. b(1) the ends justify the means.

Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
As governor of Missouri, Ashcroft vetoed Concealed Carry Legislation on more than one ocassion.
Do NOT be fooled by his political posturing.
He Wanted the Power to circumvent brady law restrictions on using NICS records to investigate "trouble makers."
He now may very well get it.

Without EXPLICIT provisions limiting NICS checks to non-citizen suspect terrorists, and provisions limiting the time this exception will be allowed, and a Fully Explicit Termination condition, this legislation will be ABUSED by the A.G. office, Justice dept., and government in general.

18 posted on 12/08/2001 10:10:36 PM PST by Drammach
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To: Professional
Is this in every state? I have been pulled over without incident. If police are called to my home...even if it is just for a noise diaturbance...will they know I am a gunowner?
19 posted on 12/08/2001 10:13:23 PM PST by Feiny
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To: Drammach
No firearms were used in the 9/11 attack. Terrorists do NOT buy firearms through normal channels, thus avoiding any paper trails that could lead to their apprehension - in fact, they rarely employ firearms at all. Why bother? Any attempt by the demoncRATS is mindless pap and anti-American. These gun-grabbers should rot in hell along with Atta and the other dead bombers. And the sooner the better!
20 posted on 12/08/2001 10:16:09 PM PST by szweig
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