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To: sirgawain
I'm in favor of gun rights-but not for terrorists
7 posted on 12/08/2001 9:55:33 PM PST by arielb
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To: arielb
I'm in favor of gun rights-but not for terrorists

I agree but by and large, I doubt your average terrorist runs down to the local gun shop and plops down his DL to get his weaponry.

I'm glad that at least so far it appears that Ashcroft is sticking to his support of the right to bear arms, but if the gun industry is to be saved then more is needed than maintaining the status quo. The status quo is so burdensome that some ludicrous percentage of FFL-holders have turned in their licenses since '92. (Did I hear 75% somewhere a few months ago?) While the propaganda war was/is being constantly waged on the visible stage, the real strategy has been going on behind the scenes. That strategy is to eliminate the dealer base. Get rid of those pesky dealers and the manufacturers are absolutely sure to follow, as many already have. The firearms industry in the USA is in a death spiral, my friends.

MM

31 posted on 12/08/2001 10:48:13 PM PST by MississippiMan
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To: arielb
I'm in favor of gun rights-but not for terrorists

Today the terrorist is mideastern/Islamist extremist. Tommorow it may be someone who thinks the government has exceded it's proper constitutional limits and wants change. It will include "gun nuts".

48 posted on 12/09/2001 4:35:02 AM PST by rebel
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To: arielb
Excuse me- am I confused? .... I thought the terrorists used AIRPLANES and BOX-CUTTERS to kill 4,000 Americans.... What does guns have to do with this terrorist problem?
52 posted on 12/09/2001 4:56:54 AM PST by jokemoke
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To: arielb
I'm in favor of gun rights-but not for terrorists

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But who defines a terrorist, if its a violent criminal then I could agree, but some of the antigun-nuts might describe it as someone displaying a gun to defend their home.

67 posted on 12/09/2001 5:55:55 AM PST by StoptheDonkey
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To: arielb
I posted the following over at thefiringline.com the other day, and it looks to be applicable here as well.

I agree with the others above who believe the information is not being deleted. IANAL, but from a legal perspective, I believe it doesn't matter if the NICS data is kept for one minute or one hundred millennia since the very requirement that the information be collected from a firearms buyer is in violation of the Fourth and Fifth Amendments. 

One of the predicating notions that this country was founded upon is that private information and property not fall into the government's hands without probable cause or a warrant. Simply desiring to procure a firearm does not give the government cause to demand private information if due to nothing else than the existence of the Second Amendment. Simply fearing that a firearm will be used in a crime is no excuse either, since prior restraint is an illegitimate legal tool on its face. 

Furthermore, even if the government DID have cause to demand private information, the accused is under no obligation to aide in its production. If the government has a case, let it be made, but THEY are the ones that must do the foot work, not the person under threat of fine or imprisonment.


92 posted on 12/09/2001 10:13:51 AM PST by Tree of Liberty
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To: arielb
All well and good...but suppose GWB gets voted out of office next time and ALGORE or Hillary gets elected? Don't you think the definition of what is a "TERRORIST" might change just a little bit to include anybody who owns a gun?
98 posted on 12/09/2001 12:09:48 PM PST by ExSoldier
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To: arielb
You could be next. If we leave it up to politician to decide who gets rights, no one will be safe from tyrany.
112 posted on 12/11/2001 7:33:49 AM PST by tberry
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To: arielb
I'm in favor of gun rights-but not for terrorists

The terrorists didn't use guns. The used box cutters and jet airplanes.

119 posted on 12/12/2001 5:47:07 AM PST by AStack75
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