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Bill Offered to Give FBI Access to Gun Records
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Posted on 12/08/2001 9:49:30 PM PST by Sir Gawain
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To: sirgawain
has been a longtime defender of gun rights
Imagine, an attorney general upholding the constitution.
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posted on
12/08/2001 9:52:59 PM PST
by
Libertina
To: sirgawain
I have a feeling this won't make it out of the Senate let alone get consideration in the House. At least we can hope.
To: sirgawain
I was listening to KVI570 the other day, and a caller claimed that police could punch in a name and age, and get a list of handguns that person owned. The host, John Carlson, doubted this and asked any listening cops to call in. Sure enough, a cop calls up and stated that the caller was correct. John asked how that was anything other than gun registration, and the cop agreed.
To: Professional
Washington State, btw.
To: sirgawain
I'm in favor of gun rights-but not for terrorists
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posted on
12/08/2001 9:55:33 PM PST
by
arielb
To: sirgawain
bttt
To: Libertarianize the GOP
I have a feeling this won't make it out of the Senate let alone get consideration in the HouseI hope you're right but the media has grabbed hold of this.
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posted on
12/08/2001 9:56:40 PM PST
by
Jean S
To: Libertarianize the GOP
Fat Tedder let the terrorists in and now he is trying to deflect the blame to gun owners. God when will that pompous, perfidious toad explode??
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posted on
12/08/2001 9:57:01 PM PST
by
Righty1
To: sirgawain
The democRATS are at it again. Here's their chance, and they know it.
Nevermind that terrorists who needed weapons probably bought them on the street.
I've never seen ANY arabs at the gun shows I've been to.
To: Libertina
Bump!
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posted on
12/08/2001 9:57:40 PM PST
by
onyx
To: sirgawain
Can non-citizens buy guns? If not, why would their names show up on the list? I've bought a lot of guns over the last several years and every time I fill out the forms, there is always at least one spot asking if the buyer is a US citizen. If it doesn't matter, why ask? Regardless..........Teddy and clan just want another avenue to get at gun owners.
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posted on
12/08/2001 10:04:14 PM PST
by
umgud
To: Libertarianize the GOP
If the Senate votes on it, it will pass.
Pro-rights Dems
Baucus(ex-anti)
Z. Miller (I think)
Ben Nelson? (I heard he was)
Jim Jeffords?(Unreliable, voted right on gun shows)
And Dayton is unknown, but I think an Anti. Anti Rights GOPERS
McStain
DeWine
Lugar
John Warner
Voinovich
And that's not counting Specter, Snowe, and Collins who are not reliable.
To: sirgawain
When we got organized as a country and we wrote a fairly radical Constitution with a radical Bill of Rights, giving a radical amount of individual freedom to Americans ...""And so a lot of people say there's too much personal freedom. When personal freedom's being abused, you have to move to limit it. That's what we did in the announcement I made last weekend on the public housing projects, about how we're going to have weapon sweeps and more things like that to try to make people safer in their communities."
President Bill Clinton, 3/22/94,
MTV's "Enough is Enough"
"We can't be so fixated on our desire to preserve the rights of ordinary Americans ..."
Bill Clinton
(USA TODAY, 11 March 1993, page 2A)
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posted on
12/08/2001 10:06:59 PM PST
by
mdittmar
To: Dan from Michigan
The Dems need 60 votes to overcome a filibuster. It may be close.
To: sirgawain
Kennedy and Schumer are at it again, gee, what a surprise. Frankly my dog has more on the ball than these two, and I think he was hit on the head as a puppy.
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posted on
12/08/2001 10:09:57 PM PST
by
goodieD
To: Libertina
has been a longtime defender of gun rights (Imagine, an attorney general upholding the constitution.) Don't be fooled by Ashcroft's present policy statements.
#1. Ashcroft basically told the congress that he could not violate present brady law.
2. He then intimated that "if" the law was changed, he would then be able to invade peoples privacy.
3. Senators then present a bill in "responce" to the A.G.s' comments.
I think it's called "hagaillian" politics, or something like that. a. create a problem. b. introduce the desired solution. b(1) the ends justify the means.
Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
As governor of Missouri, Ashcroft vetoed Concealed Carry Legislation on more than one ocassion.
Do NOT be fooled by his political posturing.
He Wanted the Power to circumvent brady law restrictions on using NICS records to investigate "trouble makers."
He now may very well get it.
Without EXPLICIT provisions limiting NICS checks to non-citizen suspect terrorists, and provisions limiting the time this exception will be allowed, and a Fully Explicit Termination condition, this legislation will be ABUSED by the A.G. office, Justice dept., and government in general.
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posted on
12/08/2001 10:10:36 PM PST
by
Drammach
To: Professional
Is this in every state? I have been pulled over without incident. If police are called to my home...even if it is just for a noise diaturbance...will they know I am a gunowner?
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posted on
12/08/2001 10:13:23 PM PST
by
Feiny
To: Drammach
No firearms were used in the 9/11 attack. Terrorists do NOT buy firearms through normal channels, thus avoiding any paper trails that could lead to their apprehension - in fact, they rarely employ firearms at all. Why bother? Any attempt by the demoncRATS is mindless pap and anti-American. These gun-grabbers should rot in hell along with Atta and the other dead bombers. And the sooner the better!
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posted on
12/08/2001 10:16:09 PM PST
by
szweig
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