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1 posted on 12/02/2001 9:26:18 AM PST by Hopalong
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2 posted on 12/02/2001 9:30:21 AM PST by JD86
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Any military coup de main by the Chicoms in regard to the ROC on Taiwan would be, if they run true to form, masked as final intervention in a "political crisis", a "crisis" painstakingly constructed to give them the appearance of "legitimate response", thus making it as easy as possible for putative opponents not to fight.

In turn, for this to work they need a semi-legitimate Fifth Column on Taiwan, who would for call for mainland intervention in the manufacutred "crisis."

Regards to all. S&W R.I.P.

3 posted on 12/02/2001 9:37:53 AM PST by Hopalong
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To: Hopalong
What crap! All I read is CHINA COULD, not that CHINA CAN! Its 100 miles across open seas to Tiawan. And don't think for a second that Taiwan is not ready to completely obilterate a Chinese invasion force, not to mention they would also have to fight the US! China is like the Arabs, all talk and flex! Granted in the long run China COULD win, but pay heavily militarily and economically! They know that without stealing our military secrets, they are worthless!
5 posted on 12/02/2001 9:42:33 AM PST by Bommer
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To: Hopalong
One wonders if it is not in the best interests of the US to help Taiwan return to China proper. Either they are an independent nation or not. The middle ground may be more dangerous, particularly for the US.
8 posted on 12/02/2001 9:50:09 AM PST by TheDon
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To: Hopalong
To tell the truth, I half expected them to do it during Clinton's last years in office, maybe during that period when he pulled every aircraft carrier out of the Pacific for the attack on Yugoslavia, and was down to a few last cruise missiles.

Now that Bush is in office, it's a good deal less likely. The only thing that could really deter them is wondering what we might do in response. Keep in mind that they now have a dozen or more ICBMs targeted on American cities, which forces us to be very careful what we do. Also they could probably destroy a carrier fleet in the area with nukes, although of course that would risk a devastating counter-blow.

No one wants a nuclear exchange, so it's something of a stand-off. In that situation, as we saw with the USSR, a great deal depends on the known determination and resolve of the United States. I think our resolve is a lot better KNOWN now than it was last year. The Chinese have always suspected that we are paper tigers, but I trust they are less sure about that than they were in the days when they were paying the DNC for clinton's election campaigns.

15 posted on 12/02/2001 10:20:52 AM PST by Cicero
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To: Hopalong
Well Hopie, if China attacks Taiwan right now with all that is going on elsewhere, I suppose that would be a bad thing, huh? So many enemies, so little time.
23 posted on 12/02/2001 11:19:23 AM PST by ladyinred
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To: Hopalong
Nice of us to inspire the Chinese here like this.
28 posted on 12/02/2001 11:38:57 AM PST by A CA Guy
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To: Hopalong
What if?

Then I will respond the same way that the Taiwanese react to current war in Middle East.

Who cares?

32 posted on 12/02/2001 11:46:22 AM PST by Silas
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...the Chinese would be mounting amphibious assaults against Taiwan's beaches. The amphibious landings could occur relatively soon...The limited coastlines and the Taiwanese military's long anticipation of these avenues of Chinese approach would make these landings extremely difficult for China's troops, but the Chinese might eventually overcome the island defenses with their sheer mass and the attrition of Taiwan's defenders.

Really?

In this entire scenario, the word "submarine" does not appear. Apparently the attack subs from the U.S. and Taiwan that constantly patrol the Straits will be on vacation that week.

39 posted on 12/02/2001 11:56:00 AM PST by denydenydeny
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To: galento
We dont belive china have a reason to attac Taiwan its not nesesary to fight their brothers and they will make more money if they dont attac money roules the world as you now Lennart Håman stockholm sweden
42 posted on 12/02/2001 11:58:11 AM PST by galento
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To: Hopalong
I only read the headline and the last paragraph. My take - other than 4-6 escorts for the CVBG's (carrier battlegroups) in the Indian Ocean, the SSN fleet (attack subs; Los Angeles Class 688 boats, Improved Los Angeles class boats, and SSN 21 Seawolf class boats) shouldn't be very heavily occupied, as the Soviets aren't expected to be surging into the North Atlantic through the GIUK gap to disrupt shipping lanes to/from Europe (since they don't exist, and most of that fleet barely exists).

A few attack subs in the area would really put a hitch in any invasion get-along, as they should be able to take out any escorts (and larger transports) of an invasion fleet, making the remaining transports and landing craft sitting ducks for smaller missle and gun platforms.

47 posted on 12/02/2001 12:09:43 PM PST by FreedomPoster
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To: Hopalong
I doubt it will happen (I'll eat my hat if they do). Why?

1: All Taiwan's investment is going into China, therefore China has gained enormous economic leverage without doing anything.

2: China has joined the WTO. The importance of this cannot be overstated. China's primary goal is that the country's economy successfully transforms and competes on the world stage.

3: An attack would have very unpredictable results at a time when China's markets are starting to liberalize. When China had protected markets, it had a lot more control over its economy and was a lot less vulnerable to outside factors.

4: The Taiwan issue is just a diversion. Politicians have formented or hyped up the possibility of conflict abroad as a way of diverting attention from the mess at home. As I stated before, China doesn't need to invade Taiwan.

The massive social instability that the changes in the chinese economy has wrought and the almost total lack of political reform means that 'the man in the street' needs to be distracted. What is closer to every man (and womane etc.) but an deeply emotive territorial question? It is my belief that the Chinese saw the disaster in the Soviet Union where political reform preceeded economic reform and so reversed the strategy. A man cannot 'eat' political rights. With a billion + people, it is not a decision taken lightly. Such a strategy syncs with Chinese tradtion of focusing much more on the long term goals. It's my bet that political reform will start with a two party state setup...

I could, of course, be completely wrong. We'll see (in the next 5 to twenty years).

VRN

58 posted on 12/03/2001 6:47:30 AM PST by Voronin
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To: Hopalong
Folks, I don't think that this is a matter of "if", but rather when. My guess is that in 2003 China will begin to invade Taiwan. The US will still be busy with the war on terrorism, and China knows that we can't fight two major wars.

It won't be a huge invasion at first with bombs and planes and ground troops, but rather a series of small actions that will grow in scale and scope. We of course will rattle our saber and warn China against any further action, but it will be too late.

Remember China's goal is to expand their territory. They can smile at us and even pretend to be open to some western influence (like maybe they'll let their citizans view the internet for a brief period of time, like with 9/11). But the reality is that this government is a cold, blood-thirsty communist regime bent on destroying the west. Sorry to be so upbeat, but it IMHO it is going to happen.

73 posted on 12/05/2001 10:12:29 AM PST by Cicero5
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To: Hopalong
Let the red chinese have Tiwan! They have Hong Kong, and it only helped improve life, and relations with the US. So what is the problem? When our spy plane went down on the red Chinese territory, we were able to negotiate with them. They did not kill or abuse our spies! We were spying and playing chicken with their pilot! That is according to the defence experts in that area.

Our main problem in this world is ISLAM!!! do not take your eyes off the ball!! The Chinese were cooperative, they are more human than all and any of our so called moslem friends. Hey right wingers, give it a rest with the red China thing!!!

114 posted on 12/07/2001 7:14:46 AM PST by philosofy123
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