Thousands Of Christians Flee Muslim Attacks

The South China Morning Post (Hong Kong) ^ | Dec. 1, 2001 | ASSOCIATED PRESS in Jakarta

[The Kitten]

Thousands of Christian villagers on Indonesia's Sulawesi island are fleeing attacks by Muslim paramilitaries armed with machine guns and rocket launchers, clerics and media reports said on Saturday.

[Khepera]

Ping )))))))

[johniegrad]

YOU TOOK A WRONG TURN SOMEWHERE, PLEASE CRAWL BACK UNDER YOUR ROCK

[freebilly]

You are on every thread about Islam justifying the murderous actions of Muslims. It doesn't matter whether it's about Palestine, Indonesia, or The WTC. You justify violence on the part of Muslims as a consequence of Zionism or economics or American foreign policy.

You are a terrorist, and should be treated as such.

[Patria One]

17,000 Muslims were massacred in Indonesia this time last year by Christians. You can look it up if you like.

[freebilly]

You have sown the wind and you will reap the whirlwind.

[FITZ]

Indonesia has had 300 per cent inflation and 10 % of the population controls 90% of the wealth, but its not a problem. Its all about religion.

It is all about "religion" if you can call it that. It's more about an ideology that keeps people poor and ignorant and then leads them to extreme envy. Nigeria is a very good example. The people in the north practice polygamy, they don't let the women work or become educated.....because they are Muslim. In the south, the people allow the women to work and have educations, they practice monogamy and have a much higher standard of living because they aren't Muslim. So the Muslims hate them for working hard and having more money, the bloodshed is starting there now.

[Don Myers]

On another thread, I accused you of being an apologist for the Islamic murderous actions. You pretended innocence. Your posts on this thread show your feelings on this subject.

[ChadGore]

Does anyone have the text from the article ?

[jpsb]

I find that very hard to believe.

[homeschool mama]

**17,000 Muslims were massacred in Indonesia this time last year by Christians. You can look it up if you like. ** Prove it. You're the one who brought it up.

[Travis McGee]

If you want a gun in Indonesia, you can get a gun.

Nice theory, do you suppose that there is a firearms store on each island?

In an archipelago, when one side is covertly armed to the teeth with assault rifles, you have the makings of a new Rwanda on each island.

[hellinahandcart]

17,000 Muslims were massacred in Indonesia this time last year by Christians. You can look it up if you like.

No, YOU can provide a source if there is any truth at all to your claim.

I won't hold my breath. It won't be the first time you haven't been able to back up your statements with any proof.

[johniegrad]

OH, BY THE WAY HELP ME TURN YOU AROUND AGAIN

[ASTM366]

These Indonesian Muslims are just expressing their love for their neighbors.

Yes, Mohammed has instructed them well.

As you know, Islam is a peace loving religion and Muslims are a peace loving people.

[hellinahandcart]

Patria One: "Um...did I say that 17,000 Muslims had been massacred in Indonesia this time last year by Christians? Silly me, what I meant is that there are over 17,000 islandsin Indonesia. Yeah, that's the ticket. 17,000 islands. It was an honest mistake; "island" and "Islam" begin with the same three letters. You can look it up, if you like."

[homeschool mama]

LOL

[The Kitten]

No, you bribe the tinpots. But this is very doable, for a price. The only problem is that you can only bribe the tinpots with actual money. And guns are only traded in hard currency. Indonesians are paid in toilet paper money known as rupiah. USD1.00-IDR10,434

[The Kitten]

There were some brutal attacks on Hindus in India's Kashmir state by armed Islamic fanatics, too. This was last night as well. Tomorrow, there will be other outrages, god knows where.

[wattsmag2]

What you conveniently forget to mention is how many Christians were slaughtered by the Muslims during the same period. I also believe you are including casualties of war in your figures.

[The Kitten]

Indonesia has had 300 percent inflation and 10% of the population controls 90% of the wealth, but it's not a problem. It's all about religion

O.K., I know more about Indonesia than you do, and let me correct you: it's more like 1% of the population controls 99% of the wealth! This is FACT!

But why is that? Is it because everyone had an even part of the wealth one day and someone came and took it away from them?

Or can it have more to do with business conditions in Indonesia which favor rent-seekers and friends of the powerful and well-connected over rule of law?

I have talked to Indonesian entrepreneurs and let me tell you, the problem is favoritism, not someone taking away all the money. Even if the Indonesian government WERE able to recover all the Suharto family wealth - and I have talked about this with the Indonesian attorney general, and can tell you that they cannot - the country would STILL not be rich.

What will make it rich is eliminating all the filthy special-interest rent-seeking that chokes this country's entrepreneurs and makes business more trouble than being unemployed and taking money from bin Laden.

That is what has to change to make that country prosperous, not confiscating ethnic Chinese money as you seem to be proposing.

The fact that nearly 100% of the country's savings were WIPED OUT by the meltdown in the rupiah also has a lot to do with why 99% of the country's existing wealth is concentrated in SINGAPORE-bank U.S. dollar accounts. The figure is actually about $171 billion, according to the latest figures. That money could be put to work employing people in Indonesia, at meaningful salaries. But it is not because of the rapacious and oh so visible hand of big government over there.

That is what is wrong with Indonesia!