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Pics of F/A-37 Talon (Beautiful carrier based stealth)
globalsecurity.org ^ | 7/26/04

Posted on 07/26/2004 7:08:07 AM PDT by finnman69








TOPICS: Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: fa37; hollywood; military; urbanlegend
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To: antiRepublicrat
True Dat, AR. If a MiG-25 went up to its top speed of Mach 3, its engines had to be changed out, and its entire airframe inspected.

It was basically a capability which was to be used only in an extreme emergency, like an all-out war.

I've heard through the grapevine that F-15s also had a "dash" capability only to be used in war, which likewise would trash the engines if used too long.

201 posted on 07/26/2004 7:00:51 PM PDT by Long Cut (The Constitution...the NATOPS of America!)
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To: antiRepublicrat

Well, as another poster pointed out, the Russians DO build their undercarriages pretty strong, specifically to operate from poor airfields. The MiG-29, in fact, has doors that close over the intakes while taxiing to prevent FOD. Smaller doors, on top of the strakes, open to let enough air in to feed the engines.


202 posted on 07/26/2004 7:03:20 PM PDT by Long Cut (The Constitution...the NATOPS of America!)
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To: Long Cut
Well, as another poster pointed out, the Russians DO build their undercarriages pretty strong, specifically to operate from poor airfields. The MiG-29, in fact, has doors that close over the intakes while taxiing to prevent FOD. Smaller doors, on top of the strakes, open to let enough air in to feed the engines.

Cool, kind of like the Saabs, where the Swedes didn't have any established military runways, and launched their planes from the roads and fields. I love airplane talk.

203 posted on 07/26/2004 7:14:36 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: antiRepublicrat
I once dated a young lady whose mother was dating an ex-VIGGEN pilot. He told me some wild stuff about the Saabs. They could do a vertical, accelerating climb 20 years before the F-15 was built.

Clint Eastwood considered leasing a VIGGEN from the Swedes to play the FIREFOX, due to its looks. He had to go with the low-budget models and mock-ups, though.

The Swedish fighters have always been ahead of the technological curve. Here's a VIGGEN in a turn...

Interestingly, it used the same engine as a garden-variety 737, the JT-8D, only equipped with an afterburner.

Here's one on approach...note the heavy landing gear.

They could operate from anything that even LOOKED like a runway.

204 posted on 07/26/2004 7:28:09 PM PDT by Long Cut (The Constitution...the NATOPS of America!)
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To: antiRepublicrat
The plane that preceeded the VIGGEN was pretty radical, too...the awesomely-named DRAKKEN:

It was so cool-looking that Miller Geniune Draft beer used it for a publicity bird. Here's a model of that one, which was privately-owned...

Note, this was a 1950's-era fighter.

205 posted on 07/26/2004 7:35:31 PM PDT by Long Cut (The Constitution...the NATOPS of America!)
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To: Long Cut
Our newest planes retain good dogfighting capability, however, and it is religiously practiced to the highest possible standards, so maybe we've reached a happy medium.

I hope so, and trust they learned their lesson in Vietnam.

206 posted on 07/26/2004 8:45:48 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: GATOR NAVY; finnman69

A fake...ah man What if I don't want it to be a fake?
It really a real airplane "They" are just sating it's a fake in order to keep us in the dark as to what's REALLY happening.


207 posted on 07/26/2004 9:02:54 PM PDT by Valin (Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. It's just that yours is stupid.)
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To: Long Cut

I've always loved the Saab planes. I don't know if my favorite is the Viggen or Gripen, but hey've always been what I though a multirole fighter should be -- small, cheap, easily maintained in the field and highly maneuverable (except for the Draken's slow turn problems). Even their truly ugly Tunnan was impressive for its time.

I would really hate for us to have to go up against a bunch of Gripens with good pilots.


208 posted on 07/26/2004 9:14:14 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: Long Cut

BTW, apologies for typos, but my daughter pulled some keys off my laptop so it's sometimes hard to hit the little contacts where the keys used to be.


209 posted on 07/26/2004 9:16:02 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: IncredibleHulk
I noticed the pilot doesn't have a handle. Don't the other pilots like her or something?

You mean Lt. Kaba "FooFighter" Wade?

210 posted on 07/26/2004 9:20:40 PM PDT by Leroy S. Mort
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To: finnman69

WOW!


211 posted on 07/26/2004 9:41:26 PM PDT by LiteKeeper (Chaplain, US Army, retired)
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To: finnman69

You can tell it's fake...no woman would be in that cockpit. One, they physically couldn't qualify for a jet like that even with a flight suit.

It's an obvious Hollywood movie setting.


212 posted on 07/26/2004 9:45:03 PM PDT by Fledermaus (John Edwards makes John Kerry look like a pedophile!)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE
Could be. (THAT particular USN "pilot" (and I use the term loosely!) is the real source of the problem people have been talking about: She was "politically-corrupted" flight qualifications, through flight school, through jet training, and through carrier landing quals. Then, when she really had to land in real situations, she crashed and died..... Just like every evaluating officer predicted she would.)

The Kara Hultgren story is a particularly disgraceful episode in the continuing history of the capability degradation of the US military through the blind pursuit of a politically correct policy of sexist discrimination. This statement is not a criticism of Kara Hultgren herself - she served her country honorably and gave her life in the effort. She died because she was used as a pawn to further the political agenda of incompetent ideologues such as former Congresswoman Patsy Schroeder and SecDef William Cohen. They forced the Navy to place her in a duty position beyond her ability and skill level - her blood is on their heads.

*Note - to those in this thread who have posted comments about their female relatives or friends who are successful military pilots in their respective MOS's, I am in no way denigrating their service or ability. They have achieved their success precisely because of their individual skills and abilities, not BECAUSE they are female. Kara Hultgren died precisely because a politically correct agenda dictated that she be placed in a position beyond her individual ability and skill, simply because she was female.

It was tragic. It was stupid. It was disgraceful. And, as has become the norm with our "public servants", those who were ultimately responsible suffered no consequences.

213 posted on 07/27/2004 9:57:14 AM PDT by tarheelswamprat
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To: Poohbah
As in "Kara Hultgren went Wading?"

That's the incident to which I was referring. It was tragic, stupid and completely unnecessary. She was a pawn of those with a political agenda and paid for it with her life.

There doesn't seem to be much specific information about the plot of this movie yet, and that's one of the factors that piqued my curiosity about the prominent featuring of Jessica Biel with the name "Kara" in the promo photos. My hunch is that it will be another case of Hollywood PC schlock a la G.I. Jane.

214 posted on 07/27/2004 10:13:35 AM PDT by tarheelswamprat
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To: Long Cut; Anti-Republican
Concur:

The Mig-25 was built to take on the B-71 (and other high-altitude, high-speed bombers: fast, relatively short range, fighting with VERY simple electronics and sensors (because they were cheaper, and would work in a EMF environment, and were available) and a heavy airframe to withstand high heat.

The Soviets goofed on a couple of things though: building the 25 meant we HAD to aim higher and our aircraft improved tremendously: at a higher price though.

They ran out of money for better quality aircraft spending it a a high-speed showboat. Performance wasn't as good as US aircraft at anything but straight lines at high altitude.

US supersonic bombers didn't really work well and were canceled (Hustler, FB-111, and B-71 and the proposed A-12 bomber version) and the low speed bombers became "more stealthy" when these were canceled. (B-1, B-2, F-117 in particular.)

So their hot-shot aircraft wasn't needed for what it was designed to do, and couldn't do anything else real well.
215 posted on 07/27/2004 10:20:48 AM PDT by Robert A Cook PE (I can only donate monthly ... But Kerry's ABBCNNBCBS press corpse lies every day.)
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To: tarheelswamprat

Could be a JAG copy: They "might" get a female who's moderately believeable in that pilot role.

But not if they're filming already!


216 posted on 07/27/2004 10:22:03 AM PDT by Robert A Cook PE (I can only donate monthly ... But Kerry's ABBCNNBCBS press corpse lies every day.)
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To: finnman69

Here it is Oct 14th and I just got this emailed to me again.


217 posted on 10/14/2004 1:27:51 PM PDT by ASA Vet (Don't argue with an idiot; people watching may not be able to tell the difference.)
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To: wmichgrad
Wow. That pilot commands some nice guns in flight!


218 posted on 10/27/2004 1:02:21 PM PDT by MattGarrett
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To: r9etb
"Yowza, that pilot's a babe!"

How can you tell? She may be a specially bred mutant with eleven fingers on each hand, and no body below her shoulders.
219 posted on 10/27/2004 1:03:15 PM PDT by Born to Conserve
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To: Long Cut

Last time I checked, you can actually view a static discplay of the YF-23 at The Northrup/Grumman museum at an airport in Torrance.


220 posted on 10/27/2004 1:04:41 PM PDT by MattGarrett
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