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projo.com ^ | 04-04-04 | JENNIFER LEVITZ

Posted on 04/05/2004 8:16:18 AM PDT by SheLion

Smoked out

Some companies now forbid workers to smoke anywhere on their property -- not on the sidewalk, not even in their cars in the parking lot.

01:00 AM EST on Sunday, April 4, 2004

BY JENNIFER LEVITZ
Journal Staff Writer

Everyone knows you can't smoke in the office anymore.

But increasingly, you can't smoke outside work either.

At Rhode Island Hospital, employees have a nickname for their designated outdoor smoking kiosks: butt huts.

The workers, however, could consider themselves indulged that they're allowed to puff on the hospital's sprawling property at all.

Because a few miles away at Lowe's Home Improvement Warehouse, in Cranston, employees who want a cigarette must punch out, get in their cars, and drive off store grounds. Workers who sneak a smoke in their cars in the Lowe's parking lot can be disciplined under a corporate policy that went into effect in September. Workers at Beacon Mutual Insurance Co., in Warwick, also aren't allowed to smoke in their cars in the parking lot, or it could lead to a note in their personnel file.

Molly Clark, director of environmental health programs at the American Lung Association of Rhode Island, says the smoke-ban trend is "regulating outdoors as well" as indoors.

Companies send smokers outside, she said, only to find them huddled by the front doors in a cloud of stale smoke.

But the outdoor restrictions aren't only about secondhand smoke and unwelcoming whiffs at the front door.

Some employers, believing that smokers drive up health-care costs, are unabashedly trying to get them to quit. Companies might run into legal problems if they refuse to hire smokers, but they can make it a hassle to be one.

When toymaker Hasbro Inc. created a designated outdoor smoking area last year, "we tried to make it as inconvenient as possible," said Robert Carniaux, senior vice president of human resources. "We were hoping that we might effect some change in behavior."

CHER SILVIA wishes people would stop minding her behavior.

That behavior has included dragging on Dorals for 24 years.

In December, Silvia started RI Rights, an online activism group for Rhode Island smokers, who don't want to see the state go the way of New York and other smoke-free places. Silvia, of Tiverton, is retired and lives in Lake Placid, Fla., but she comes north for the summer.

If Rhode Island starts enacting bans all over, she said last week in a friendly, husky voice, "I can't take it."

She said employers who tell workers they can't smoke in their cars -- or on the property -- have gone too far.

"They're nannies," she said. "They've got to tell us what's best for us. I don't appreciate it at all. I can live my own life the way I want to."

Such workplace bans are ahead of what is required by Rhode Island law. Rhode Island's smoking laws, which have lagged behind those in border states, don't ban smoking in workplaces.

But that may change.

On Thursday, the House leadership introduced legislation that would ban smoking in virtually every public place, including restaurants, shopping malls and private office buildings. The bill would also require that employers who allow their workers to smoke outside "must provide an area which is physically separated from the enclosed workplace so as to prevent the migration of smoke into the workplace."

The bill sponsored by House Majority Leader Gordon D. Fox represents more than six months of negotiations and marks a reversal for the House, which last year allowed similar legislation passed by the Senate to die.

Rep. Elizabeth M. Dennigan, D-East Providence, has been a leader on the smoke-ban issue during her eight years in the House.

"We certainly have more support this year. I think a lot of that has to do with what has happened regionally since we adjourned last year," Dennigan said, referring to New York and the sweeping smoking laws that have passed in Connecticut. Legislation in Massachusetts has passed the House and Senate, and the governor has promised not to veto it.

REGARDLESS of what's happening at the General Assembly, a nonprofit agency called the Worksite Wellness Council of Rhode Island is working with Rhode Island companies to change smoking policies.

The council is an affiliate of the Worksite Wellness Council of America, a national organization started in 1982 by some workers in Omaha, Neb.

The original mission was to "enhance the health and well-being of employees," thereby helping companies save money and time, according to the national council's Web site. The Omaha council's success spurred "cost-conscious" employers in other communities to form their own councils. Rhode Island's Department of Health helped local companies start the wellness council here in 1999.

The Worksite Wellness Council of Rhode Island is now its own nonprofit organization with 150 members. Jeffrey Johnson, vice president of community relations at Beacon Mutual Insurance, is president.

He said the wellness council has used Health Department statistics to "find out what is killing" Rhode Islanders.

"We've tried to take the top five things and try to find grant money and go out and make a critical difference in the workplace," he said.

He said that if employers spend money and time on their workers' health, they can "reduce health-care costs, workers' comp costs," absenteeism -- and boost productivity.

For each of four years now, the local wellness council has received a $50,000 grant from the state's share of federal tobacco money. As part of the $246-billion tobacco settlement of 1998, tobacco companies make annual payments to states.

The wellness council uses the tobacco grant money to send Debra Foley, a consultant, to workplaces. Foley said it is her job to assist employers in achieving a smoke-free status.

Foley has worked with some 175 companies over the past four years.

The majority do have some restrictions on where smoking is allowed outside building, she said.

She knows of 8 or 10 companies that have entirely smoke-free premises. And more are considering it.

"In the last month I have had four companies referred to me that are interested in going to a smoke-free campus," she said.

Policies are the most effective way to encourage smokers to quit smoking, she said.

DR. RICHARD BROWN, director of addictions research at Butler Hospital and Brown University, found it interesting that some companies are enforcing policies as a way not only to keep the air cleaner, but to change habits.

"My personal reaction is that it's a little more controversial," he said.

People tend to not like to have behaviors dictated to them, he said.

He said those workplace smoking policies, however, could be positive if the strict rules are paired with education and support for the smokers. Hasbro, Beacon Mutual, Lowe's and other companies said they did phase in their smoking policies and have offered to help employees quit with smoking cessation-classes and health fairs. Hasbro even brought in a hypnotist.

Beacon Mutual started educating and warning its smokers long before the company moved 2 1/2 years ago from rented offices to its privately owned headquarters overlooking Route 95 in Warwick. As a tenant, it could not stop employees from puffing in the hallways; as owner of its headquarters, it could.

"We told them a year before we moved that there would be no smoking on the grounds," said Johnson, the vice president of community relations.

And that there would be no smoking in the parking lot.

Some employees said, but it's my car. The company told them that they were on private property. "A couple of people did get caught," Johnson said, but it never went beyond a verbal warning. However, future offenses could result in a written warning that would become part of their personnel file.

Once in the new building, the company also banned the informal practice of smoking breaks.

"The rest of the people were saying, 'How come smokers get a break and go outside and we don't?' " Johnson said.

"We said, 'You're absolutely right. That's not fair, because we're rewarding bad behavior.' That's when we said to supervisors, you've got to stay on top of it and make sure smokers are not allowed to take breaks."

MOST OF THE NEW hires come with the understanding that they will have to go until lunchtime without a cigarette. Johnson said Beacon is doing its employees a favor.

"We can't afford to do all these self-destructive behaviors, and people are finally waking up to that fact," he said.

Down in Florida, Cher Silvia, founder of RI Rights, has been collecting data on workplace smoking bans.

Along with running RI Rights, Silvia is a member of Illinois Smokers, Florida Smokers, Florida Rights, Maine Rights, the Smokers Club forum, and more.

"This morning, I opened up 100 e-mails," she said last week. "That's just in the morning. God knows what I get in the day."

One of the big topics for the Internet groups lately is Lowe's Home Improvement Warehouse and its national policy that forbids employees to smoke anywhere on the premises, including in their own cars in the parking lot.

But Lowe's national spokeswoman, Chris Ahearn, said the new policy has worked very well.

She said there have been complaints but just as many comments from employees who like working in a smoke-free environment.

"We're not telling people to stop smoking," Ahearn said. "We're saying don't smoke on our property."

With staff reports by Scott Mayerowitz

DIGITAL EXTRA: To smoke -- in public -- or not to smoke? Cast your vote on the topic at:

http://projo.com/news/smokingpoll.htm


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; US: Rhode Island
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To: Cultural Jihad; SheLion
I don't see how the use of actual, historic images are self marginalizing or being unreasonable.

Most of the images posted on this thread and many other threads are actual examples of the anti-smoking/smoker propaganda of the Third Reich.....in other words, the Natzis.

Making a comparison of the current propaganda techniques being used by modern anti-smokers with those utilized in the early part of the 20th century is not unreasonable in the least.
141 posted on 04/05/2004 11:19:51 AM PDT by Gabz (Stress out Streisand.............................DONATE MONTHLY)
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To: swarthyguy

Such as liberal use of Nazi imagery and calling people 'Taliban', eh?

142 posted on 04/05/2004 11:20:26 AM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: Gabz
Making a comparison of the current propaganda techniques being used by modern anti-smokers with those utilized in the early part of the 20th century is not unreasonable in the least.

Exactly Gabz. And they say 'one picture is worth a thousand words.'

143 posted on 04/05/2004 11:21:24 AM PDT by SheLion (Curiosity killed the cat BUT satisfaction brought her back!!!)
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To: Gabz
My contention was not directed to the anti-smoking images, just the gratuitously silly and self-marginalizing 'Americans-Are-Nazis-For-Discouraging-Unneeded-Suffering-And-Death' images.
144 posted on 04/05/2004 11:24:05 AM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: swarthyguy
The health cultists don't tolerate heretics.

The collectivists are very concerned that some individuals still believe they, and not the state, own their bodies and lives.

The health cultist Nazis get very offended when they're referred to as such, but feel that they're serving a higher purpose when they insult heretics, following doctrine so to speak.

Their warp-10 narcissism prevents them from comprehending why normal people wouldn't want to be a member of their hive, so they just go on with their Lord of the Flies act, unaware that the universe is laughing behind their back.

145 posted on 04/05/2004 11:27:07 AM PDT by Madame Dufarge
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To: Madame Dufarge
Their warp-10 narcissism prevents them from comprehending why normal people wouldn't want to be a member of their hive, so they just go on with their Lord of the Flies act, unaware that the universe is laughing behind their back.

Hi Madame Dufarge. Good to see you!

Lord of the Flies Act. I like that.......a lot!

146 posted on 04/05/2004 11:31:03 AM PDT by SheLion (Curiosity killed the cat BUT satisfaction brought her back!!!)
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To: SheLion
Exactly right. Employers should have the right to set smoking rules on their own property. That includes allowing smoking and not allowing smoking .... the employers choice. If one doesn't like the rules, tough, go find another job or business to patronize.
147 posted on 04/05/2004 11:34:27 AM PDT by Lorianne
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To: Lorianne
Exactly right. Employers should have the right to set smoking rules on their own property.

Employers, right. Not the state.

148 posted on 04/05/2004 11:35:34 AM PDT by SheLion (Curiosity killed the cat BUT satisfaction brought her back!!!)
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To: SheLion
Cute. Ignore everything else.

Smoking falls into the category of willfully self destructive behaviour, as do the other idiocies I mentioned. It is within your rights to so engage. It is also within your rights to pretend that you're not hurting yourself, although your pretending will not alter truth.

If smokers are an endangered species it is by their own actions.

One imagines from your posts that you believe that you are fighting some solitary, noble fight to save the rest of us from our own fascistic notions (how else to explain the Nazi references). Smoking is ugly, costly to everyone and intrusive. People are tired of it. Your self-aggrandizing suggestions that the rest of us are either blind or nazis smacks of desperation. The numbers are in, your side loses.

149 posted on 04/05/2004 11:35:45 AM PDT by wtc911 (KERRY WAS FRAGGED)
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To: SheLion
Good to see you too, She.

I see the swarm is predictably gathering.

150 posted on 04/05/2004 11:39:59 AM PDT by Madame Dufarge
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To: wtc911
One imagines from your posts that you believe that you are fighting some solitary, noble fight to save the rest of us from our own fascistic notions (how else to explain the Nazi references). Smoking is ugly, costly to everyone and intrusive. People are tired of it. Your self-aggrandizing suggestions that the rest of us are either blind or nazis smacks of desperation. The numbers are in, your side loses.

Oh grow up!

People? I sure know a lot of people, but they don't include you. Your just spewing your own hateful speech in here hoping to grab on to a few of your own kind hoping for a grasp of help.

I know what hurts me and what doesn't. My side loses? I don't think so buddy. I sure don't think so.

Go get it banned if you hate us so much. Can you do that? eh? What?


151 posted on 04/05/2004 11:43:35 AM PDT by SheLion (Curiosity killed the cat BUT satisfaction brought her back!!!)
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To: Cultural Jihad
I'm sorry, you have lost me.

I see nothing gratuitous or self-marginalizing about displaying the propaganda techniques of the past, which are very similarly being used in the present.

There are lots of things that some people do that others do not for various reasons.....yet it seems that smokers are the only ones that are called everything from stupid to unfit parents with impugnity from internet message boards to state capitols to national television. For some reason that seems to be the only way people chose to define some people.

There are lots of things that define me, yet by far, more people seem to choose to focus on the fact that I smoke and make sweeping generalizations about me because of that one small aspect of my life.

I'm not specifically pointing a finger at you.....I'm just trying to compress many years of frustration into a small space. After many frustrating years of trying to bring attention to the other side of this issue to no avail, the internet showed up in my life. Now without million dollar budgets people like me and SheLion and others who have done our own research are able to get some of the information out that has so long been suppressed by the establishment anti-smoker organizations and the main stream media.

Is dealing with the smoking issue a major part of my life? Not really, in fact it represents a very small part.......yet so many wish to just define me because of it. I haven't marginalized my life, those who choose to stereotype me because of a difference of opinion are the ones doing that.
152 posted on 04/05/2004 11:44:50 AM PDT by Gabz (Stress out Streisand.............................DONATE MONTHLY)
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To: Madame Dufarge
I see the swarm is predictably gathering.

Yes, they are. I was just telling Gabz I didn't know where everyone got off to, then you came in. Your a breath of fresh air! The room needed an airing. LOL!

153 posted on 04/05/2004 11:45:01 AM PDT by SheLion (Curiosity killed the cat BUT satisfaction brought her back!!!)
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To: wtc911
costly to everyone

Ah, the tired old collectivist "argument."

suggestions that the rest of us are either blind or nazis

I would go beyond suggesting, I would call it fact.

Why do you spend so much time trying to convince smokers that they should be living your life and not their own?

154 posted on 04/05/2004 11:49:18 AM PDT by Madame Dufarge
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To: Cultural Jihad
Nothing worse than what the Statist American Taliban call those whom they don't like.

Typical, like most bullies, just cowards in a group, who can dish it out but can't take it when it's thrown back at them.

See you in the local whorecrackhouse this Friday, eh?
155 posted on 04/05/2004 11:50:07 AM PDT by swarthyguy
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To: SheLion
On this side of the law

For now.

156 posted on 04/05/2004 11:50:56 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: Madame Dufarge
One thing's for sure; the American Talib don't have the cojones to confront the French on their smoking habits.

Such brave boys, eh? Scared of the French, no less.

At least the French have more respect for individuals than Americans.

All the jihadis have to do is walk down Broadway smashing cigs and the Talib would embrace them as soul brothers.

Imams of America, are you listening. The road to victory in Jihad is yours. No charge.
157 posted on 04/05/2004 11:56:18 AM PDT by swarthyguy
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To: SheLion
"LOL! You couldn't be more wrong. I have been rolling my own now for three years. A carton of premium cigarettes cost between $45-$50 dollars here. I roll a beautiful CARTON for UNDER $8.00 and I do not have to pay all those taxes for your little pet programs anymore."

Well, there you go, you have proved me wrong. It's only costing you UNDER $.04 each to kill yourself slowly. You're not so stupid after all.

158 posted on 04/05/2004 11:57:46 AM PDT by T.Smith
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To: SheLion; Just another Joe
The anti smoking non-profits will go on to become anti-obesity non-profits.

I often wonder if any of these idiots have any life at all if they have so much time on their hands worrying about other people's behaviour.

It's not about health and it has never been about health. It's the "My way or the highway" attitude that seems to have taken over this country.

I thank God I'm old enough to remember this once great country the way it used to be.
159 posted on 04/05/2004 11:57:54 AM PDT by Mears (The Killer Queen--caviar and cigarettes)
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To: LisaMalia
Hope your dad is okay.

I think I'll start a little business at Lowe's and park there a few hours a day and let smokers on break use my car for a pittance.

Only kidding,for any humorless gnatzies out there.
160 posted on 04/05/2004 12:13:52 PM PDT by Mears (The Killer Queen--caviar and cigarettes)
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