[Aquinasfan]

Here's another interesting Q & A:

Is their justification in Islam for "terrorism" as pratised by groups like Hamas, where women and children are sometimes killed?

Answer 8998 2003-06-26

When a particular Muslim community experiences difficulty regarding themselves, and there is no apparent solution for their problem, they should refer their matter to their Fuqahaa (jurists) and Ubbaad (pious people) and follow their guidance.

and Allah Ta'ala Knows Best

Mufti Ebrahim Desai

[Aquinasfan]

In matters political Islam is a system of despotism at home and aggression abroad. The Prophet commanded absolute submission to the imâm. In no case was the sword to be raised against him. The rights of non-Moslem subjects are of the vaguest and most limited kind, and a religious war is a sacred duty whenever there is a chance of success against the "Infidel". Medieval and modern Mohammedan, especially Turkish, persecutions of both Jews and Christians are perhaps the best illustration of this fanatical religious and political spirit.

Mohammed and Mohammedanism
Catholic Encyclopedia

[rageaholic]

Fact: Islam is an enemy ideology opposed to the Constitution of the United States. This is obvious to any rational observer.

[LiteKeeper]

INTREP - RELIGION OF PEACE (AND LIES)

[Centurion2000]

So the gutter muslim preacher just told him to lie to the infidel.

I hate islam .... it is disgusting in it's treatment of non-believers.

Islam Honor .... about as likely as Bill Clinton being celibate and pious.

[SupplySider]

Hence, we are not allowed to obey anybody if it is resulting in the disobedience of the Creator, Allah.

And disobedience of Allah will be defined by my Stalinist dictators.

[Restorer]

we are not allowed to obey anybody if it is resulting in the disobedience of the Creator, Allah.

This is essentially the same teaching found in the Bible.

Jesus said, "Pay back Caesar's things to Caesar, but God's things to God." The question here, of course, is which are which. The principle does not itself say.

The apostles told the Sanhedrin, "We must obey God as ruler rather than men." the question here is what you believe God is telling you to do.

[Publius6961]

Ask the Imam: It is permissible to lie when taking the oath of allegiance to the United States

Everybody knows that this is a damnable lie! Put together by the FBI the CIA and the Boy Scouts!

[Myrddin]

In general, a Muslim has no ethical problem with lying to a non-Muslim if the consequences are in favor of the Muslim or other Muslims.

In a U.S. court of law, the flip attitude about taking the oath of citizen will have no standing. You take it. You sign it. You are legally bound by it. You won't get a special Shari'ah court that gives a Muslim special consideration that is not given to any other citizen. That would be a violation of equal protection under the 14th amendment.

[joesnuffy]

Looks like most of our judges, politicans and leaders feel pretty much the same way...
They lie like cheap carpet

[gridlock]

More and more people are waking up to these simple facts every day. 'Bout time.

In Islam, what matters is Islam. It is permissable, and even laudatory under certain circumstances, to lie to the infidel. If it advances the cause of Islam, lying is a mitzvah.

Because of this, we can expect to hear all sorts of conciliatory BS from the Muslim world over the next few months, as the Islamabombers come to the realization that the US is playing the game for real, at this particular point in time. Given that, the obvious strategy is to make a temporary false peace and lie low until the decadent West becomes distracted by MTV or Britney Spears' latest nuptial scandal.

It is all spelled out in the lesson of the Treaty of Hudaybiya. This is as familiar a story in the Muslim world as our fable about George Washington and the cherry tree.

[Moose4]

Well. That's a little different from "render unto Caesar what is Caesar's, and unto God what is God's," isn't it? And a little different from Paul's exhortations to serve your rulers because they bear the sword for a reason, eh?

Islam is not just a (false) religion. It's a political system and a complete way of life disguised in the trappings of a religion. No other religion attempts to establish a theocracy, wherever it goes, like Islam. Judaism doesn't. Christianity doesn't. I don't think the Eastern religions do. Which puts the lie to the lefties who scream "George Bush and John Ashcroft are trying to establish a theocracy!" while giving the murderers and slavers of Islam a free pass in the name of "diversity."

}:-)4

[End Times Sentinel]

Why, but... if... IF I WERE TO BELIEVE THIS, I'd have to assume that muslims couldn't be trusted!  But islam is a religion of peace, so says Muhamed al-George W. Bush (praise be unto he).

 

 

Owl_Eagle

" WAR IS PEACE
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
DIVERSITY IS STRENGTH"

Why, but... if... IF I WERE TO BELIEVE THIS, I'd have to assume that muslims couldn't be trusted!  But islam is a religion of peace, so says Muhamed al-George W. Bush (praise be unto he).

[Billthedrill]

Aw, they never ask this guy the right questions. Now, what I'd like to know...

Dear Imam,

So what's the deal about shaving your pubes before you go off to murder kiddies with plastique? I can't find it anywhere in the Koran - is this one of those kinky things you guys do to while away those lonely nights in that cave in Pakistan after the evening rug-munch and a big, steaming plate of grubs? Just curious, and my boyfriend Percy is kind of curious, too - he says the size of your turban is directly related to...but what the heck does he know? Anyhow, I wouldn't recommend it, personally - nothing puts you off your detonator timing like a bad case of razor burn You Know Where.

Say howdy to Fatima for me.

yer buddy,
BilltheDrill

[xJones]

Good old Mufti Ebrahim Desai. He's currently issuing fatwas in South Africa. Life as an Indian Muslim must have accelerated his lying proclivities. Ebrahim.

When it comes to Islam Q & A, I prefer the Kuwati imams. They hand out advice on how a Muslim should properly go to the bathroom, brush teeth, and other such helpful advice for the hapless who aren't certain about such things.

[Ronin]

I wonder if Mufti Ebrahim Desai has realized that he has totally rendered worthless the oathes of any Muslim.

An oath that is given under false pretenses is not valid. Only a fool would accept it.

[onedoug]

As Islam appears nearly entirely contrary to The Law of Moses, it seems like idolotry to me.

[yoe]

History shows that Islam was put in place to hold people together - it is a made up religion with many fables woven into its fabric, many taken from the Hebrews and Christians. Muhammad was born around 570 AD - It has been suggested that Muhammad(P) mixed Biblical stories and Jewish myths of the Tower of Babel, the story of Esther and Moses into a single confused account when composing the Qur'an.

[Looking for Diogenes]

Hence, keeping this in mind if one is forced to sign the above in order to become a citizen or the only way of attaining citizenship is by acknowledging the above, then one may sign it with the intention that Shari?ah and Deen will always be his yardstick and that he will never sacrifice any of the teachings of Deen.

I'm not sure who or what "Deen" is, but overall that sounds just about like what (former) Justice Roy Moore believes: he'll obey the Constitution and laws of the country so long as they do not interfere with his religious beliefs. In fact most religious persons would place their obedience to their religion above their obedience to the government.

[AmericanVictory]

Notice how our pundits and talking heads fail to bring this point up.

[FreedomCalls]

And of course:

If during the performing Wadu one passes gas should he repeat the wadu or continue it?