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To: Aquinasfan
we are not allowed to obey anybody if it is resulting in the disobedience of the Creator, Allah.

This is essentially the same teaching found in the Bible.

Jesus said, "Pay back Caesar's things to Caesar, but God's things to God." The question here, of course, is which are which. The principle does not itself say.

The apostles told the Sanhedrin, "We must obey God as ruler rather than men." the question here is what you believe God is telling you to do.

8 posted on 01/12/2004 12:34:11 PM PST by Restorer
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To: Restorer
I have always believed that the Christian teaching referred to the fact that material goods may be controlled by earthly leaders, but your soul belongs to God.

I believe this played out during the Roman era, during the persecutions, when Christians were often told that they could be spared if they said, "Caesar is a god." And if they refused, they would be killed in ugly ways. The Martyrs knew that their souls belonged to God and so they did not lie to the earthly authorities. They declared that Caesar was not a god, and were then killed in ugly ways.

Muslims, on the other hand, enjoy lying to the infidel, so that the infidel can later be killed in ugly ways.

15 posted on 01/12/2004 12:40:58 PM PST by ClearCase_guy (France delenda est)
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To: Restorer
This is essentially the same teaching found in the Bible.

Not hardly, the Bible says not to lie and the Koran says lying is ok if the situation warrants it. Situational Ethics is a foundation of Islam, but not present in the Bible.

17 posted on 01/12/2004 12:46:26 PM PST by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: Restorer
This is essentially the same teaching found in the Bible.

Yes, but this isn't. "Hence, keeping this in mind if one is forced to sign the above in order to become a citizen or the only way of attaining citizenship is by acknowledging the above, then one may sign it with the intention that Shari’ah and Deen will always be his yardstick."

Sharia law is Mohammedan law and is not the same thing as natural law. My understanding is that, under Sharia law, Jews and Christians are treated as dhimmini (second class citizens whose freedom of worship is severely restricted) and members of other religions are treated even worse.

42 posted on 01/12/2004 4:55:55 PM PST by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: Restorer
This is essentially the same teaching found in the Bible.

Correct. In other words, obey your government unless doing so will force you to sin. Nothing wrong with that (assuming that one has a decent idea of what sin is -- a more troubling question w/ regard to Islam).

60 posted on 01/12/2004 8:31:42 PM PST by Sloth ("I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!" -- Jacobim Mugatu, 'Zoolander')
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To: Restorer
This is essentially the same teaching found in the Bible.

No it's not. " Render unto Caesar those thngs which are Caesars, and unto God which are God"s". DOES NOT say it's okay to lie to deceive Caesar. A Christian is expected to be true to his faith, without misleading or deception.
61 posted on 01/12/2004 8:37:53 PM PST by Kozak (Anti Shahada: " There is no God named Allah, and Muhammed is his False Prophet")
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