[Jumper]

Intercourse can also mean to "join in conversation".

[Havoc]

David wasn't a homo and morals are not bound to time. God stated that homosexuality is an abominiation - literally that it makes him want to puke. It is a sin so sick it warranted death under the law. Jesus' fulfillment of the law may mean that God rightly owns judgement of that sin; but, it makes it no less a sin.

[Jim Noble]

What the Bible says is that man is a created being, and that, in the realm of sex, that said being has two natures, male and female, which together are in the image of God.

It also says that the relationship between male humans and female humans proceeds according to a design, or plan.

It also says, by the way, that deviating from the plan is abominable-but in this context, it's not the characterization of the deviation that is important, but the fact that is not part of the Creator's design.

[milan]

Others see it rather as a book which is a witness to God's message, but one which was written by humans and thus has flaws.

And how do we know that the portions of the Bible which discuss homesexuality are NOT flawed? Maybe the PC view is thawed...maybe? It is.

God said to be "fruitful and multiply" How do two men do that?

God said "a man will leave his mother and father" to be with his wife...not his gay partner.

This article is nuts. There is not two views. There is a correct view and a wrong view. The "gay" view is wrong. No grey area. Gays can justify their conduct as much as they want, and I hope it makes them feel good. They are wrong.

[Pete]

This author is not up to speed. David's love for Jonathan was the love between two soldiers who had fought many battles together. Stu Webber has addressed this verse in his books. For those of you not familiar with Stu Webber, he was a special ops guy in Vietnam. He talks about the bond that grows between men in combat. I am sure there are many on this forum who have seen combat who can attest to the that. The quoted verse, however, is often cited by those with the homosexual agenda in an effort to paint David as a homosexual. Such a characterization is completely out of context and incorrect.

[Pete]

I only had to quickly scan the article and even in that brief read I can see the author is hashing up old interpretations of scripture that have long ago been refuted as out of context or simply incorrect. If I have time, I will provide more information. (I am sure there are many others on FR who can do the same and will probably get to it before I get back.)

[LadyDoc]

This if ignoring that homosexuality and pedophilia were common in pagan societies, as were male and female prostitutes...and the ancient Hebrews were famous for their refusal of such activity..

Catholics would also point out that we rely on traditional interpretations, and that to the earliest times homosexual impurities and going to prostitutes and adultery and premarital sex was considered wrong...even in days before the rabbis and priests decided what should be in the bible...(which is why the Catholic bible has accepted books that the rabbis rejected, since the had been used im the early church).

As for homosexuality, the upright Romans frowned on it, and conisdered it wrong. And most non Christian societies also frown on it...homosexuals are not killed, but ridiculed and looked down upon in traditional Chinese, Hindu and African societies...and for all the rewriting of history about homosexual love in ancient Greece, the Greeks considered it different than marriage, and except for the elite, frowned on it...Aristophanes ridicules a crossdressing guy in one of his plays, for example, and in Lysistrada has women stop a war by refusing sex with men-- the humor behind the play would not be funny if all the guys were humping each other...

[djf]

Well, as we have heard.

God created Adam and Eve.
Not Adam and Steve.

[ovrtaxt]

Anyonw who's been born again knows very well what He 'means' when they read the Bible. Our slimy attempts at justifying sin of any kind is common to us all, but it still doesn't change what He says.

Anyway, sex of any kind outside of marriage is prohibited. Doesn't matter if it's male/female or not. And you can only be married to someone of the opposite sex.

[Fzob]

So how can their views be so contradictory?

There are only contradictory because one view represents truth based on a regulative interpretation of the Bible and the other interpretation is base on lies intended to deceive.

Homosexuality has nearly universally been viewed as a perversion by societies. A perversion that has been tolerated and by the same societies.

[Noachian]

This shows that radical liberals will open anything to an interpretation that supports their agenda -- even the Bible.

Nothing has changed in 2000 years, we have a Supreme Court doing the same thing today with our Constitution.

[HarleyD]

"Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever." Heb 13:8

If it was an abonination back then it still is today and always will be.

[mtbopfuyn]

Seems pretty plain to me, and I'm not buying into those flimsy gay excuses.

[HarleyD]

"When Jesus mentions Sodom, hundreds of years later, it appears to be in a context of a discussion of hospitality, rather than one of sexual morality.

This was rich. I missed this. I don't remember a commandment, "Thou shall act like Martha Stewart." :O)

[Tailgunner Joe]

quite disgusting.

[Adder]

There is something particularly disgusting when mo's and their apologists take perfectly good and straight[pun intended] words and twist them into a justification for depravity.
Admittedly, the story of Daniel and Jonathan could be read as a "love" story in the physical sense. But that ignores the host of other documents of a similar time where men profess their love for one another. In those it is used more in the sense of commeraderie, the love of a soldier for his fellow soldiers, for the deep friendships that develope, for the respect that men hold for one another in certain circumstances. Its trite but its like a sports team or fishing buddies, or just best friends.
The major religions all hold that mo-ism is wrong and is to be avoided. That just sticks in these people's craw so they make these unsubstantiated and unsupportable attacks. Unfortunately, too many are too willing to ignore what is right, what is TRUE, to be "welcoming" to the butt rangers. I believe it is Revalations that mentions something about evil being good and good, evil. Id est demonstratum.

[JesseHousman]

What do you think about your article?

If you believe homosexual acts are somehow rendered paradoxical, then you believe falsely. Homosexuality is disgusting to true Christians who exercise logical thinking. Of course one doesn't have to be a genius to understand that God, through His Word, considers homosexual acts an abomination deserving of a one-way ticket to hell.

[StonyBurk]

the hermeneutic is wrong-- to be fair to the Scripture one
must attempt to discern what a word meant to the audiance
in the Old Testament Hebrew via studies in time and culture. In New Testament Greek in similar terms. the interpretation in terms of anti-Gay-- or Gay is ethocentric and junk science in other words B.S.

[joesnuffy]

God pretty much spoke his mind on the subject at Sodom and Gomorahh

But you forget (the author that is) that Jesus

IS "God" the Son ..who became Jesus upon willingly assuming the human form of the Son of Mary in order to be sacrificed on sinnners behalf..

"God" the Son "God" the Father and "God" the Holy Spirit have always been together...have NEVER been apart

"If you have seen the Father you have seen the Son"

"I and my father are one"

"Come let us make man in OUR image"

"There was nothing not made by Him"

The notion that Jesus has some different ideas than the Father is absurd..and not biblical

Everything the Father has said is said by Jesus...yesterday today tomorrow...never changes..

The Old Testament was written by Jesus as well as the New...

God the Father God the Son and God the Holy Spirit are united on every issue in the entire bible...

God is 100% opposed to the Sodomite and Lesbian life style...

For that matter they are also opposed to any sexual activity outside of marriage

[punster]

"To protect his visitors from an act which Lot describes as "wicked", he offers the crowd his two virgin daughters instead."

It is interesting to note that Lot was offering to sell his two young daughters into prostitution, to placate the townspeople. It sure shows a bad attitude towards women, doesn't it?