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Trying to ID a Blood Chit

Posted on 05/06/2008 11:01:24 AM PDT by brytlea

I hope this is ok to post here. I am trying to find some information for my husband on something we got when his father passed away a couple of years ago. It is clearly a blood chit from pictures I've seen online, but it doesn't really look just like the ones I can find online.

It has only an American flag on it, with characters (beats me if they are Chinese or Korean, he flew over both during his career as a marine pilot). I would love to be able to translate it, as we plan to frame it and give it to our son as a Christmas gift.

Is anyone familiar with these? BTW it has his name in English, and then in characters underneath. The photos I've found online don't have names on them. There are actually 2 of them, one is on silk, the other on leather.

Thank you for any help!


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To: snippy_about_it

That’s very possible.
susie


21 posted on 05/07/2008 6:02:56 AM PDT by brytlea (amnesty--an act of clemency by an authority by which pardon is granted esp. to a group of individual)
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To: brytlea
That's definitely not Hangul (Korean), but since the flag only has 48 stars, it would have been prior to Vietnam. I'm fairly confident that it's Chinese.
22 posted on 05/07/2008 6:05:32 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Joe 6-pack

He did fly over China.


23 posted on 05/07/2008 6:23:18 AM PDT by brytlea (amnesty--an act of clemency by an authority by which pardon is granted esp. to a group of individual)
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To: brytlea
It doesn't look like the AVG (American Volunteer Group / "Flying Tigers") Blood Chits that I've seen. I was going to guess a Hump pilot. I actually found this page with a number of images...some look closer to yours than others:

China-Burma-India Blood Chits

24 posted on 05/07/2008 6:28:03 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Joe 6-pack

Yeah, I saw those pix too. Just nothing really looks like it, so maybe he had it made. It would be nice to get it translated.
susie


25 posted on 05/07/2008 6:33:19 AM PDT by brytlea (amnesty--an act of clemency by an authority by which pardon is granted esp. to a group of individual)
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To: brytlea
That appears to be traditional Chinese (not Mandarin). In the seventh column, the second and third kanji appear to be ‘America’. As someone else said, it is pre Vietnam because of the number of stars, so Korea would be logical. I would guess very early Korean conflict because later Blood Chits for Korea had multiple languages and UN flags beside the American flag.

I'm no expert at all but I hope this leads you in a path that may help.

26 posted on 05/07/2008 6:39:28 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: brytlea
"It would be nice to get it translated."

If you'd check the exchange office of a local university, I'd bet they have some Chinese or Taiwanese students or even faculty that would be willing to help. Explain that your looking to have some small translation work done on for a family heirloom and offer some small remuneration. I've done this for both academic and professional purposes in the past, and have found that the overwhelming majority of these folks are flattered that an American would need their assistance, and are very willing to help.

27 posted on 05/07/2008 6:41:34 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: brytlea

Thanks for getting the scan posted, yes now it’s obvious with only 48 stars.


28 posted on 05/07/2008 4:48:30 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (The FReeper Foxhole. America's history, America's soul.)
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To: brytlea

This website has a ton of info. It has a translation of the blood chits used by the 14th Air force who flew out of China during WW2. You maybe able to check the chinese symbols translated on the web page to the ones on your Uncle’s blood chit and see if they match.

http://cbi-theater-4.home.comcast.net/~cbi-theater-4/bloodchit/bloodchit.html


29 posted on 05/09/2008 7:43:23 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (http://www.iraqvetsforcongress.com ---- Get involved, make a difference.)
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To: CholeraJoe
When I outprocessed from the USAF...

Was it back in the 60's-70's or recently? in 1965 when I outprocessed from the USAF (ROTC), all I had to give back was Uniform and Shoes. Tho' gotta admit, took a while before I bought some dress shoes again...so went without for quite a while without shiny shoes!

30 posted on 05/10/2008 3:28:55 AM PDT by CRBDeuce (an armed society is a polite society)
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To: Joe 6-pack
If you'd check the exchange office of a local university, I'd bet they have some Chinese or Taiwanese students or even faculty that would be willing to help.

To narrow your search, you'll want to seek out Chinese over the age of 40 (or so), or Taiwanese (or Fujianese), ie faculty! In my limited understanding, most of the younger Chinese have learned only the simplified characters (Mandarin), whereas Taiwanese are (or were) still using the more complex original characters....tho' translaters all have excellent dictionaries...with much knashing of teeth, my 1982-5 putonghua dictionaries could almost do the job (tho' simplified characters are all I've got, many are identical or similar)! The problem (even when you find a 'translator') is the polysyllabic language read from monosyllabic ideographs! The Taiwanese translator will sound much different from a Shanghaiese, who again sounds different than a Mandarin translator! G'luck!

31 posted on 05/10/2008 5:16:43 AM PDT by CRBDeuce (an armed society is a polite society)
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To: CRBDeuce

Mandarin is commonly spoken and read in Vancouver’s Chinatown, as it was first settled in the mid-late 1800’s. The same may be true of San Francisco’s Chinatown. Dunno if that helps, but if you were planning a trip to either place anytime soon, your answer may be as close as the a local laundromat.


32 posted on 05/11/2008 6:16:33 AM PDT by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: CRBDeuce

It was 1991, medical retirement.


33 posted on 05/12/2008 5:09:52 AM PDT by CholeraJoe ("He wasn't scared of the Shogun, but the Shogun was scared of him.")
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To: brytlea
I was working in the Pentagon in 1987 (about) when we got word that the Mapping Agency down in the basement were getting rid of all their blood chits. We hurried down to the basement and each were given around 100 complete sets of these blood chits. Fact is I went down there twice and ended up with over 200 sets.

The sets consisted of five chits from five different theaters as follows:

Vietnam
China
Eastern European
European
Latin America

Yours is not the same as the Chinese set. This set had the languages of most of the areas near and around China. It also had an English translation of the text. Yours appears to be the same Chinese as in the Chinese set. It basically identifies the person who has the chit as an American military man who has inadvertently found himself in the readers area. It states that the bearer means no harm and is asking for assistance. If the readers helps this American military person, the military person will give him the flag to be taken to an embassy of the US for payment of services.

Unfortunately I am currently living in China and all my chits are in Thailand and in Minnesota. I gave most of them away to friends and as rewards for my subordinates in the AF when I was an officer (retired in 1994).

When I first saw the image of yours, I immediately thought it might be an old Flying Tiger one from Kunming. Not so. I have seen some, however, in Kunming that were custom made from that time period. Most of the Kunming ones were sewn onto the inside of the flight jackets. Pretty cool stuff if on can find these these days.

A 1991 retiree would mean that Kunming and Flying Tigers are out. Probably the chit was custom made from someplace. I had an assignment in Chang Rai in Northern Thailand where I was visiting someone at a local pub run by a French Foreign Legionnaire retiree. The legionnaire swore up and down that the chit he had on his wall was genuine. Wanted to beat me up for disagreeing with him. It was garbage and a poor copy to boot. He now has a real one hanging up on his wall courtesy of me.

Anyway, that is my history of chits. I did a lot of research on them when I had a bunch but that was in a different life. They no longer are issued and are not accounted or as far as I know of. I was not issued one when I flew from 1975 onward.

Hope this helps. I could have the Chinese translated by one of my students if you would really like it.

34 posted on 05/20/2008 5:55:00 AM PDT by inthaihill (Earthquake BOUND in Sichuan, China)
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