Posted on 09/17/2004 2:51:58 AM PDT by snippy_about_it
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I bet so too, a lot of rain is coming in from those storms.
We are expecting temps in the 50s on Sunday.
I was talking to a young lefty I work with the other day and he was all exicited about Ameica have 1,000 casualties in the war on terror. I pointed out to him the number of casualties at Antietam in 12(?) hours. Context is all.
it was a rainy and foggy day today
It some how seems appropriate.
Official Records of the Civil War - Battle Reports
General George McClellan - Antietam/Sharpsburg
Report of Major General George B. McClellan
Battles of South Mountain and Antietam
Near Sharpsburg, MD, September 29, 1862
I have the honor to report the following as some of the results of the battles of South Mountain and Antietam: At South Mountain our loss was 443 killed, 1,806 wounded, and 76 missing; total, 2,325. At Antietam our loss was 2,010 killed, 9,416 wounded, and 1,043 missing total, 12,469.
Total loss in the two battles, 14,794.
The loss of rebels in the two battles, as near as can be ascertained from the number of their dead found upon the field, and from other data, will not fall short of the following estimate: Major Davis, assistant inspector general, who superintends the burial of the dead, reports about 3,000 rebels buried upon the field of Antietam by our own troops. Previous to this, however, the rebels had buried many of their own dead upon the distant portion of the battlefield, which they occupied after the battle - probably at least 500. The loss of the rebels at South Mountain cannot be ascertained with accuracy, but as our troops continually drove them from the commencement of the action, and a much greater number of their dead were seen on the field than of our own men, it is not unreasonable to suppose that their loss was greater than ours. Estimating their killed at 500, the total rebel killed in the two battles would be 4,000, according to the ratio of our own killed and wounded. This would make their loss in wounded 18,742, as nearly as can be determined at this time. The number of prisoners taken by our troops in the two battles will, at the lowest estimate, amount to 5,000. The full returns will no doubt show a larger number. Of these about 1,200 are wounded. This gives the rebel loss in killed and wounded and prisoners 25,542. It will be observed that this does not include their stragglers, the number of whom is said by citizens here to be large. It may be safely concluded, therefore, that the rebel army lost at least 30,000 of their best troops during their brief campaign in Maryland.
From the time our troops first encountered the enemy in Maryland until he was driven back into Virginia, we captured 13 guns, 7 caissons, 9 limbers, 2 field forges, 2 caisson bodies, 39 colors, and 1 signal flag. We have not lost a single gun or color. On the battlefield of Antietam 14,000 small arms were collected, besides the large number carried off by citizens and those distributed on the ground to recruits and other unarmed men arriving immediately after the battle. At South Mountain no collection of small arms was made, owing to the haste of the pursuit from that point. Four hundred were taken on the opposite side of the Potomac.
George B. McClellan,
Major-General, Commanding
Source: The Official Records of the Union and Confederate Armies
Official Records of the Civil War - Battle Reports
General Robert E. Lee - Antietam/Sharpsburg
Mr. President:
On the afternoon of the 16th instant the enemy, who, you were informed on that day, was in our front, opened a light fire of artillery upon our line. Early next morning it was renewed in earnest, and large masses of the Federal troops that had crossed the Antietam above our position assembled on our left and threatened to overwhelm us. They advanced in three compact lines. The divisions of Generals McLaws, R. H. Anderson, A. P. Hill, and Walker had not arrived the previous night, as I had hoped, and were still beyond the Potomac. Generals Jackson's and Ewell's divisions were thrown to the left of Generals D. H. Hill and Longstreet. The enemy advanced between the Antietam and the Sharpsburg and Hagerstown turnpike, and was met by General Hill's and the left of General Longstreet's division, where the contest raged fiercely, extending to our entire left. The enemy was driven back and held in check, but before the divisions of McLaws, Anderson, and Walker - who, upon their arrival on the morning of the 17th, were advanced to support the left wing and center - could be brought into action, that portion of our lines was forced back by superior numbers. The line, after a severe conflict, was restored and the enemy driven back, and our position maintained during the rest of the day.
In the afternoon the enemy advanced on our right, where General Jones' division was posted, who handsomely maintained his position. General Toombs' brigade, guarding the bridge over Antietam Creek, gallantly resisted the approach of the enemy; but his superior numbers enabling him to extend his left, he crossed below the bridge, and assumed a threatening attitude on our right, which fell back in confusion. By this time, between 3 and 4 p.m., General A. P. Hill, with five of his brigades, reached the scene of action, drove the enemy immediately from the position they had taken, and continued the contest until dark, restoring our right and maintaining our ground.
R. E. Lee,
General Commanding
His Excellency President Davis
Richmond, Va.
Source: The Official Records of the Union and Confederate Armies
Thanks Phil, are you safe from the storms?
Good night and be safe. See you tomorrow.
Thanks for the book recommendation.
Good evening w over w. McClellan rested too often. He had the advantage I guess but didn't make use of it.
Thanks for the links and stories Phil. We took pictures but I don't have the software I need on my laptop to download them. It will have to wait til we get back to Oregon.
Those are the ugliest bunny slippers I've ever seen. LOL.
Good night feather.
Excellent pic of the 14th Indiana. They were one of the regiments in Kimball's Brigade, French's Division, II Army Corps that hit the Sunken Road. They were on the right flank of the brigade line. Kimball had been Colonel of the 14th before he was given the brigade. The 8th Ohio was next on the left, they were from the north-central part of Ohio mostly from around Oberlin and Lorain. Their commanding officer was Frank Sawyer, who had been a professor at Oberlin College. Next was the 132nd Pennsylvania, a 9-month regiment from the coal fields around Williamsport and Wilkes Barre. Colonel Oakford was the only officer in the regiment with any experience--he had been in the 15th Pennsylvania (3-months service) Infantry in 1861--and he was the first man killed as the attack started. Antietam was the 132nd's first time in action. On the left flank was the 7th Virginia (it wasn't West Virginia until 1863) from around Beckley. The brigade held the crest of the ridge from about 10 AM until 2 PM when the Irish Brigade came up on their left and moved through them to drive the Confederates out of the Sunken Lane. Kimball's brigade was then moved to a position supporting the Union batteries on the ridgeline overlooking Sharpsburg (where the old Visitor Center used to stand) to draw the fire of the Confederate guns so that the Union artillery could identify targets. They lay in this position for the rest of the day.
Interesting. Jackson and his peaches, the bridge, the piecemeal Federal attacks.
So far a nice job. Important subject, capture of the District in '62 was not impossible.
BTTT!!!!!!!
Yeah, I was thinking of angels crying.
Morning w_over_w.
Playing catch up from last night.
I reconize the CBS logo but what the heck is it attached to?
Morning Phil Dragoo.
I knew you'd come up with some Kerry slippers. :-)
Looks like McClellan could have worked for our present day media. What spin! He held most of the advantages at Antietam and still blew it. Based on his report, you'd think he just won the war.
Thanks for the additonal info on some of the units involved.
Morning Iris7. McClellan had the chance to finish off Lee's Army that day, IIRC he had about 30,000 Union troops that were never committed.
As we toured the battlefield yesterday Sam and I were discussing the piecemeal attacks and how they had the manpower to make a more concentrated effort. The Union had the chance and the manpower to win it.
Parallels Parallels You want some steenking parallels.
1) "The Democrats can run a War candidate on a Peace platform, or a Peace candidate on a War platform...Neither one can win." President Abraham Lincoln.
2) They, the Democrats, ended up running McClellan on the Vallandigham Peace Platform (which, in a nutshell said, the war is lost, we have to negotiate a peace settlement with the Confederacy).
3) McClellan gave a speech at West Point, the day after he was nominated, but before the convention could officially notify him that he was the peace candidate, which said the exact opposite of the platform. And then...
4) the following day Sherman took Atlanta ("Atlanta is our, and fairly won").
5) Meanwhile, Vallandigham, was plotting the Northwest Conspiracy with Tom Hines to have Copperheads in the western states revolt against the Lincoln government. Trouble was Hines couldn't find 20 Copperheads in Chicago with enough cajones to actually show up for the rebellion and went back to Canada in disgust.
6) Jefferson Davis, of Mississippi, erstwhile Cornfed prexy was something of a hero from the previous war (Colonel of the 1st Mississippi Rifles) under General Zachary Taylor. He was never afraid to keep reminding his generals about it. He kept Braxton Bragg in command until the Army of Tennessee was routed at Missionary Ridge. He replaced Joe Johnston (the only General Sherman ever worried about) with John Bell Hood in the middle of the Atlanta Campaign (three of Hood's USMA clasmates from the class of '53 were general officers under Sherman) and wouldln't move the Cornfederacy's best general (DIck Taylor) east of the Mississippi River because he distrusted him politically (his daddy had been President of the US, and had been Davis's commander in Mexico.
That's all for now.
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