[Eric Blair 2084]

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1,500,000,000 rounds of posts, arguments, insults, cheesy graphics, name calling, and ad hominem personal attacks that pass as debate for the FUTURE OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY!

"Introducing first, to my right, fighting out of the red corner, wearing their Sunday best with a gold crucifix...weighing in at 810 and 1/4 pounds...the social conservatives, the religious right, the champions of family values...from the Southern States...The Evangelicals!" (wild applause)

"And in the blue corner, wearing an off the rack suit, Goldwater ’64 lapel pin and a belt 2 sizes too small...weighing in at 141 pounds soaking wet...the fiscal conservatives, the last champions of limited government...from the Western States...The Libertarians!" (wild applause)

Chapter 1: Live From the Reagan Building

The winner of the bout gets to take on the Neo-Cons for the undisputed GOP Heavyweight Championship of the World!

[Jigajog]

Oh look its little miss kinley here to play act solomon. I thought this guy died. What a fairy.

[mysterio]

In before the keyword vandalism, anti-libertarian name calling, and sloganeering.

[A CA Guy]

Yep out in the movies today!

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0389722/

[Moleman]

In before somone mentions smoking pot...

[TheRiverNile]

Why am I not allowed to be for BOTH limited government and be a social conservative?

I believe abortion is pretty well summed-up in the Constitution....”life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.”

The unborn have a right to life via the Constitution.

Other than that, you don’t convert people to Christianity by holding them at gunpoint since Christianity is not about claiming Christianity with words and actions but it is a part of the heart, where the actions follow the heart out of love.

[Badeye]

When you are forced to cite Mikey Kinsley, its time to go home....

[steel_resolve]

Rhonda Paulette R EVOL ution PING

[Nonstatist]

Democrats treasure civil liberties,

That is a lie. They favor hate thought laws and special rights for favored groups and regulations out the gazoo for personal behavior(no peanuts for sale on airlines!, no due process for divorced males in family court, etc). Pansy Mikey is full of crapola.

[Savage Beast]

"Democrats aren't always for Big Government, and Republicans aren't always against it."

False. True.

And furthermore, the Republican Congress and Bush Administration have outdone the Democrats in increasing the size, reach, intrusiveness, and appetite of that Frankenstein's Monster known as the U.S. Federal Government.

In addition--these Republicans handed Congress to the dangerous, self-serving Democrats on a silver platter in 2006.

That said--and my Libertarian leanings notwithstanding--I am still a one issue man: Defeat the Democrats. And that means vote Republican.

[jack_napier]

I’m a libertarian type, but I consider this article to be biased and generally a hunk of crap.

[MNJohnnie]

Oh look! Another rabid Leftist attempting to prop up the Libertines in the hope they fraction the Conservative base and help elect the Neo Stalinist Hillary in 2008

Total nonsense. Not a intellectually serious, rational statement in the whole piece.

Hate Speech crimes, speech codes, mandatory diversity, Campaign finance Laws, the Fairness Doctrine mandatory sexual harassment training, the attempts to smear Rush and O’Reilly etc etc etc etc etc all show the claim of a supposed commitment on part of the modern American Left to “Civil Liberties” is a sick and sad lie.

[TheBattman]

Democrats treasure civil liberties

Ummm... the only civil liberties that the Democrats support are those that involve furthering their agenda. Get the Dems in TOTAL power - and I guarantee that all meaningful civil liberties will be gone. I believe the Republican tolerance for some "infringement" on liberties (particularly privacy) are to protect the rest of our liberties.

[Goodness]

If Democrats were as gosh-darn wonderful as Kinsley paints them to be, we wouldn't need a two-party system.

(PS... think of libertarianism as the sound of your conscience nagging at you, no matter your political persuasion. Unfortunately, consciences don't campaign too well).

[Dumb_Ox]

Libertarians are overrated. They have a disproportionate influence on the internet, but aren’t much of a factor in real life. This is generally a good thing.

[decimon]

Libertarians are against government in all its manifestations.

This has become so but needn't be. My brand of libertarianism would maximize freedom, with or without government. Government writ small, that is.

[MNJohnnie]

Instead of whining hysterically at everyone who makes logical, reasoned critics of your god, Der Paul, how about you try actually defending some of his insanity?

But of course you cannot so you resort to the intellectually vacuous attempt at diverting the discussion off topic.

New day, same mindless whining and demagoguery from the Libertines.

Want to be taken seriously? Try defending this little piece of unconstitutional, rabidly ignorant piece of total demagoguery produced by your god.

For a supposed "Consitutitonalist" Paul seems wholly ignorant of the concept of balance of powers and Co Equal branches of Govt.

RON PAUL INTRODUCES AMERICAN FREEDOM AGENDA ACT (HR 3835 IH)

American Freedom Agenda Act of 2007 (Introduced in House)

HR 3835 IH

110th CONGRESS

1st Session

H. R. 3835

To restore the Constitution’s checks and balances and protections against government abuses as envisioned by the Founding Fathers.

IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

October 15, 2007

Mr. PAUL introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee on the Judiciary, and in addition to the Committees on Armed Services, Foreign Affairs, and Select Intelligence (Permanent Select), for a period to be subsequently determined by the Speaker, in each case for consideration of such provisions as fall within the jurisdiction of the committee concerned

A BILL

To restore the Constitution’s checks and balances and protections against government abuses as envisioned by the Founding Fathers.

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

This Act may be cited as the `American Freedom Agenda Act of 2007’.

SEC. 2. FINDINGS AND PURPOSE.

(a) Findings- Congress makes the following findings:

(1) Unchecked power by any branch leads to oppressive transgressions on individual freedoms and ill-considered government policies.

(2) The Founding Fathers enshrined checks and balances in the Constitution to protect against government abuses to derail ill-conceived domestic or foreign endeavors.

(3) Checks and balances make the Nation safer by preventing abuses that would be exploited by Al Qaeda to boost terrorist recruitment, would deter foreign governments from cooperating in defeating international terrorism, and would make the American people reluctant to support aggressive counter-terrorism measures.

(4) Checks and balances have withered since 9/11 and an alarming concentration of power has been accumulated in the presidency based on hyper-inflated fears of international terrorism and a desire permanently to alter the equilibrium of power between the three branches of government.

(5) The unprecedented constitutional powers claimed by the President since 9/11 subtracted national security and have been asserted for non-national security purposes.

(6) Experience demonstrates that global terrorism can be thwarted, deterred, and punished through muscular application of law enforcement measures and prosecutions in Federal civilian courts in lieu of military commissions or military law.

(7) Congressional oversight of the executive branch is necessary to prevent secret government, which undermines self-government and invites lawlessness and maladministration.

(8) The post-9/11 challenges to checks and balances are unique in the Nation’s history because the war on global terrorism has no discernable end.

(b) Purpose- The American Freedom Agenda Act of 2007 is intended to restore the Constitution’s checks and balances and protections against government abuses as envisioned by the Founding Fathers.

SEC. 3. MILITARY COMMISSIONS; ENEMY COMBATANTS; HABEAS CORPUS.

(a) The Military Commissions Act of 2006 is hereby repealed.

(b) The President is authorized to establish military commissions for the trial of war crimes only in places of active hostilities against the United States where an immediate trial is necessary to preserve fresh evidence or to prevent local anarchy.

(c) The President is prohibited from detaining any individual indefinitely as an unlawful enemy combatant absent proof by substantial evidence that the individual has directly engaged in active hostilities against the United States, provided that no United States citizen shall be detained as an unlawful enemy combatant.

(d) Any individual detained as an enemy combatant by the United States shall be entitled to petition for a writ of habeas corpus under section 2241 of title 28, United States Code.

SEC. 4. TORTURE OR COERCED CONFESSIONS.

No civilian or military tribunal of the United States shall admit as evidence statements extracted from the defendant by torture or coercion.

SEC. 5. INTELLIGENCE GATHERING.

No Federal agency shall gather foreign intelligence in contravention of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (50 U.S.C. 1801 et seq.). The President’s constitutional power to gather foreign intelligence is subordinated to this provision.

SEC. 6. PRESIDENTIAL SIGNING STATEMENTS.

The House of Representatives and Senate collectively shall enjoy standing to file a declaratory judgment action in an appropriate Federal district court to challenge the constitutionality of a presidential signing statement that declares the President’s intent to disregard provisions of a bill he has signed into law because he believes they are unconstitutional.

SEC. 7. KIDNAPPING, DETENTIONS, AND TORTURE ABROAD.

No officer or agent of the United States shall kidnap, imprison, or torture any person abroad based solely on the President’s belief that the subject of the kidnapping, imprisonment, or torture is a criminal or enemy combatant; provided that kidnapping shall be permitted if undertaken with the intent of bringing the kidnapped person for prosecution or interrogation to gather intelligence before a tribunal that meets international standards of fairness and due process. A knowing violation of this section shall be punished as a felony punishable by a fine or imprisonment of up to 2 years.

SEC. 8. JOURNALIST EXCEPTION TO ESPIONAGE ACT.

Nothing in the Espionage Act of 1917 shall prohibit a journalist from publishing information received from the executive branch or Congress unless the publication would cause direct, immediate, and irreparable harm to the national security of the United States.

SEC. 9. USE OF SECRET EVIDENCE TO MAKE FOREIGN TERRORIST DESIGNATIONS.

Notwithstanding any other law, secret evidence shall not be used by the President or any other member of the executive branch to designate an individual or organization with a United States presence as a foreign terrorist or foreign terrorist organization for purposes of the criminal law or otherwise imposing criminal or civil sanctions.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1913087/posts

[Moonman62]

My guess is the L’s won’t be able to come close to the half a percent they got in the last presidential election.

[MNJohnnie]

So strip away all the hysteric rantings and self serving verbiage and the short answer is:

NO, the Libertines cannot present a rational, serious, defense of their god, Der Paul, and are only capable of Junior High School level ranting and emotionally hysteric responses.

Wonder how many of you self absorbed twits would be so gung ho for Der Paul if you extended his position to your chosen piece of Federal pork?

No Student Loans or grants. No aid to students. Any education you want has to be paided wholly out of your own pockets.

No subsides for farmers so you had to actually pay fair market prices for you Doritio and Twix bar binges.

Abolished the border patrol and all immigration restraint as well as all wage and OSHA legislation so you had to place you lack of any marketable skills up against a hoard of cheap third world labor in any working conditions your employer decided to impose upon your unskilled lazy butts.

No social safety net so when your parents finally get tired of your free loading butts and throw you out of their basement you will have NO one to carry your sorry butts but yourselves.

No free medical care so when you crash your car after your latest Rave you actually are expected to pay for your own care and pay for the damages.

Yeah, Libertineism sound real great if you are a young and dumb and totally self absorbed lazy slacker who is convinced he will never have to actually be responsible for himself.

Adults know better. The real world doesn't revolve around the lazy libertine's butt contrary to what their mommies always told them.

You all have been given a great deal by this society. We, as a society, have a right to expect you to be responsible productive members of this society, not free loading bums expecting a free ride on everyone else's dime.

[samm1148]

The trouble with these third parties (and I’m in one) is that none of them are interested in a solid strategy for victory.

For instance none of these clowns is going to be president or even get into a congressional seat. That goes for the nazi side as well. A better strategy would be to send third party people to city and county councils to: lower property taxes, reverse affirmative action in hiring, put the cities on a pay as you go basis, institute illegal alien control such as Hazelton PA, and rescind the plethora of local nanny state laws including forbidding local police to engage in illegal drunk driving checkpoints, gun registration and reversing smoking bans. All of these are local issues.

These people could in turn go to their statehouses to advance a conservative agenda there. No serious third party would win overnight but people interested in seeing change ten years down the road (and willing to stick it out) could do it.

[Cacique]

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