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1 posted on 07/21/2003 10:44:35 AM PDT by el_chupacabra
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BUMP!
2 posted on 07/21/2003 10:49:04 AM PDT by Pyro7480 (+ Vive Jesus! (Live Jesus!) +)
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I had a mormon friend tell me my Crucifix was "morbid" because it was like "wearing a knife around your neck to remind you that your son was stabbed to death."

(She felt that way about all crosses, not just those bearing the corpus)
3 posted on 07/21/2003 10:57:15 AM PDT by el_chupacabra (proofreading/previewing is for cowards!)
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To: el_chupacabra
Probably has something to do with idolatry.

Deuteronomy 5
6   I am the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.
7   Thou shalt have none other gods before me.
8   Thou shalt not make thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the waters beneath the earth:

Exodus 20
2   I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
3   Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
4   Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.

Exodus 34:17
Thou shalt make thee no molten gods.


Isaiah 42
17   They shall be turned back, they shall be greatly ashamed, that trust in graven images, that say to the molten images, Ye are our gods.

graven image from the Hebrew
6459
pecel peh'-sel from 6458; an idol:--carved (graven) image.
1) idol, image


6458 pacal paw-sal' a primitive root; to carve, whether wood or stone:--grave, hew.
1)
to cut, hew, hew into shape
a) (Qal) to hew, hew out, quarry


molten image from the Hebrew
4541
maccekah mas-say-kaw' from 5258; properly, a pouring over, i.e. fusion of metal (especially a cast image); by implication, a libation, i.e. league; concretely a coverlet (as if poured out):--covering, molten (image), vail.
1) a pouring, libation, molten metal, cast image, drink offering
a)
libation (with covenant sacrifice)
b)
molten metal, molten image, molten gods
2)
web, covering, veil, woven stuff

4 posted on 07/21/2003 11:16:10 AM PDT by ET(end tyranny) ( Luke 16:17 -- And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.)
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Wonderful essay, thanks for finding and posting it.

I have a Fundamentalist Baptist friend who thinks Christ on the Crucifix is awful and an abomination. He cannot understand that Catholics do not worship images, but that they are a reminder, especially the Crucifix, of what Jesus Christ endured for our salvation. An empty cross is just that, empty. And a cross with a statue of the risen Christ is just not biblical (but very popular in a lot of churches, I notice).

I found it kind of ironic that this same man has a picure in his office of his little daughter kissing a cross with her eyes closed. The picture is beautiful but I'm reminded that for him, everything Catholics do is for the wrong reasons.

9 posted on 07/21/2003 12:14:06 PM PDT by american colleen
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I knew I needed to be constantly reminded of the price my Lord had paid for my salvation so that I would stop this presumptuous disregard for His will in my life.

Patty Bonds has a deeper understanding of salvation than my parish priest. Like Patty's history teacher, my RC pastor often says that Christ was only on the cross for 3 hours but is risen forever. Unlike Patty, he does not want to be reminded of the price paid for his salvation.

THE HISTORY OF THE SAN DAMIANO CROSS

15 posted on 07/21/2003 12:39:37 PM PDT by NYer (Laudate Dominum)
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read later
16 posted on 07/21/2003 12:53:03 PM PDT by LiteKeeper
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To: el_chupacabra
Two months ago, one of my nursing home patients noticed the 3 inch crucifix I wear at all time. He's an old Baptist, and exclaimed, "Why do you Catholics keep Christ on that cross?!?"

I responded that like Paul, "We preach only Christ, and Christ crucified."

He didn't say anything more.

18 posted on 07/21/2003 1:00:23 PM PDT by Polycarp (Life's not like a box o choclates...it's like eatin jalapenos. What ya do now might burn ya tomorrow)
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What a wonderful find!

This is bookmarked!!!!!
104 posted on 07/21/2003 5:24:42 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: el_chupacabra
John.4
[23] But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
[24] God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Man in his infinite wisdom is always thinking he can improve on what God finds acceptable or desirable.

105 posted on 07/21/2003 5:28:10 PM PDT by PFKEY
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To: el_chupacabra
Prompted, I believe, by the Holy Spirit, I broke into a chorus...

I hate when that happens.  With me, it's usually Doo-Wah-Diddy.
114 posted on 07/21/2003 6:03:43 PM PDT by gcruse (There is no such thing as society: there are individual men and women[.] --Margaret Thatcher)
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To: el_chupacabra
Fundamentalists prefer not to be reminded of Jesus dying for them. Shame, maybe?
318 posted on 07/24/2003 9:17:11 AM PDT by Conservative til I die (They say anti-Catholicism is the thinking man's anti-Semitism; that's an insult to thinking men)
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