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VATICAN: Return of the Latin Mass? "celebrate Latin Mass on a weekly basis in every parish in world"
Inside the Vatican News ^ | May 13, 2003 | Robert Moynihan

Posted on 05/13/2003 2:08:06 PM PDT by Polycarp

The Return of the Latin Mass?

Exclusive: The Vatican is preparing to call, in the clearest way since the Second Vatican Council, for an end to liturgical abuses -- and for far wider use of the old Latin Mass

“The do-it-yourself Mass is ended. Go in peace.”

By Robert Moynihan

VATICAN CITY, May 13, 2003 – Forty years after the Second Vatican Council, after four decades of liturgical "experimentation" which has troubled many of the faithful, Rome is about to issue a major disciplinary document, ending years of a generally "laissez faire" attitude toward liturgical experimentation and “do-it-youself” Masses.

The document is now in draft form and is expected to be published between October and Christmas this year.

In a bombshell passage, the document will also encourage far wider use of the “old Mass”, the Tridentine rite Mass, in Latin, throughout the Roman Catholic Church.

The new, stricter guidelines for celebrating the liturgy, and the mandate to celebrate the old Latin Mass more widely, even on a weekly basis, in every parish in the world, will be contained in a document to be published by the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments, headed by Nigerian Cardinal Francis Arinze.

“We expect the document to be published before Christmas,” Arinze told "Inside the Vatican" in an exclusive interview. “We want to respond to the spiritual hunger and sorrow so many of the faithful have expressed to us because of liturgical celebrations that seemed irreverent and unworthy of true adoration of God. You might sum up our document with words that echo the final words of the Mass: ‘The do-it-yourself Mass is ended. Go in peace.’”

We will be reporting in more detail on this historic document in future issues of "Inside the Vatican."


TOPICS: Activism; Catholic; Current Events; Theology; Worship
KEYWORDS: catholiclist; latin
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To: sinkspur
Eucharistic Minister

That would be a priest.

There is no such thing as a lay "Eucharistic Minister," as you know. The proper term is "Extraordinary Minister of the Eucharist." (emphasis mine)

121 posted on 05/13/2003 8:37:40 PM PDT by B Knotts
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To: sinkspur
Allow a choice of the Tridentine Mass occasionally

Now THERE'S a "wide and generous" fellow.

122 posted on 05/13/2003 8:38:24 PM PDT by ninenot (Joe McCarthy was RIGHT, but Drank Too Much)
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To: sinkspur
stick a pre-dieu at one of the stations served by a Eucharistic Minister.

But, of course, you mean an Extraordinary Eucharistic Minister.

Won't you have a surprise when the document forthcoming also eliminates that bunch from working at Sunday Masses???

What, people who kneel don't deserve to receive Communion from a priest?

123 posted on 05/13/2003 8:44:43 PM PDT by ninenot (Joe McCarthy was RIGHT, but Drank Too Much)
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To: ninenot
He defines modern charity.
124 posted on 05/13/2003 8:45:19 PM PDT by narses (Christe Eleison)
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To: sinkspur
Please document the "mandate" to REMOVE the altar rails in the first place. I can wait, say, 25 years while you try to find it.
125 posted on 05/13/2003 8:46:29 PM PDT by ninenot (Joe McCarthy was RIGHT, but Drank Too Much)
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To: sinkspur; Desdemona
you're getting melodramatic, Desie

But she's correct. That's in her favor, Sinkie

126 posted on 05/13/2003 8:48:12 PM PDT by ninenot (Joe McCarthy was RIGHT, but Drank Too Much)
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To: ninenot
It was in the V2 Schemas that declared that ALL of the Mass was to be in the vernacular with appropriate ad lib moments for the "president" and his dancing girls.
127 posted on 05/13/2003 8:48:49 PM PDT by narses (Christe Eleison)
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To: sinkspur
Actually, they're "extraordinary Eucharistic Ministers" which likely wouldn't be needed for the Tridentine Masses at most parishes.

Nor are they needed at ordinary NO parish Masses. They are a convenience for the priest.

128 posted on 05/13/2003 8:49:44 PM PDT by ninenot (Joe McCarthy was RIGHT, but Drank Too Much)
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To: ninenot
Won't you have a surprise when the document forthcoming also eliminates that bunch from working at Sunday Masses???

I would if it did, but it won't.

Extraordinary Ministers are a fact of life in large suburban parishes. Our parish, for instance, has three priests, but we serve two other parishes, so there is never more than one priest at the Church for a Sunday Mass. This, in a parish with over 7000 average Sunday Mass attendance.

129 posted on 05/13/2003 8:50:34 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: ninenot
Please document the "mandate" to REMOVE the altar rails in the first place.

I can't. But, they're gone, in some cases, or never built, in others.

I suspect they won't return any time soon.

130 posted on 05/13/2003 8:53:54 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: sinkspur
This post creates a false dichotomy, and you ought to know better. The worship of God is most fittingly accompanied by "high art," which is why the II V. Council defined sacred music as pars integralis( an integral part) of the Mass.

Your flawed dichotomy would logically ALSO state that you go to Mass in a barn. Go ahead.

131 posted on 05/13/2003 8:54:03 PM PDT by ninenot (Joe McCarthy was RIGHT, but Drank Too Much)
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To: ninenot
Nor are they needed at ordinary NO parish Masses.

They ARE needed, like it or not.

You're being intentionally obtuse, ninenot.

132 posted on 05/13/2003 8:55:35 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: sinkspur
How many services do those 7,000 attend?
133 posted on 05/13/2003 8:56:01 PM PDT by narses (Christe Eleison)
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To: sinkspur
This is not practical in many suburban parishes.

Wave of the future, sinky. When will you conservatives learn? You can't block progress.

134 posted on 05/13/2003 8:57:10 PM PDT by Romulus
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To: sinkspur; ninenot
I can't. Really? Then the hierarchs who destroyed them or left them out probably violated Church Law, yes? But, they're gone, in some cases, or never built, in others. Replace them.
135 posted on 05/13/2003 8:58:40 PM PDT by narses (Christe Eleison)
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To: sinkspur
But, you're talking about Church Time here, and you and I will both be dead before that happens.

Well--we agree (finally) that Church Time is lengthy.

But a reminder--or a memento mori, whichever--

When Rembert Weakland arrived in Milwaukee in 1977, he predicted that "all the old people" who like the Old Rite would be dead before he left his appointment here, and that the Old Rite would be extinct.

Deo Gratias he was wrong on all three counts.

136 posted on 05/13/2003 8:59:38 PM PDT by ninenot (Joe McCarthy was RIGHT, but Drank Too Much)
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To: ninenot
The worship of God is most fittingly accompanied by "high art," which is why the II V. Council defined sacred music as pars integralis( an integral part) of the Mass.

Really?

Growing up, I remember we had one "High Mass" on Sunday, in the Tridentine days, and everything else was dead silence, musically.

Today, only one of our Sunday Masses is without music, the early Sunday Mass.

We use approved hymnals, and much of the music is dreadful.

But, most Catholic music is, and has always been, dreadful.

137 posted on 05/13/2003 8:59:54 PM PDT by sinkspur (Tri)
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To: ninenot
Abp. Weakland and the sodomite lobby have wreaked havoc on the Church in America. Their day is done. Sinky is bitter that His Holiness will not allow married priests in any major way. That is too bad, but the bigger picture is that the new day is at hand.
138 posted on 05/13/2003 9:02:35 PM PDT by narses (Christe Eleison)
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To: sinkspur
One word: trination. THe priests would actually put in a day about half as long as the average parent's day.
139 posted on 05/13/2003 9:03:04 PM PDT by ninenot (Joe McCarthy was RIGHT, but Drank Too Much)
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To: narses
How many services do those 7,000 attend?

Seven. And most receive the Eucharist.

Of course, if Maximillian were here, he would say that 90% of them should stay in the pews, since they're in the state of mortal sin.

In Maximillian's world, Extraordinary Ministers would never be necessary.

In his world, I'm not sure why it would be necessary for Jesus to die for our sins, since most of us are going to hell anyway.

140 posted on 05/13/2003 9:03:57 PM PDT by sinkspur (Tri)
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