VATICAN: Return of the Latin Mass? "celebrate Latin Mass on a weekly basis in every parish in world"

Inside the Vatican News ^ | May 13, 2003 | Robert Moynihan

[Polycarp]

The Return of the Latin Mass?

Exclusive: The Vatican is preparing to call, in the clearest way since the Second Vatican Council, for an end to liturgical abuses -- and for far wider use of the old Latin Mass

“The do-it-yourself Mass is ended. Go in peace.”

By Robert Moynihan

VATICAN CITY, May 13, 2003 – Forty years after the Second Vatican Council, after four decades of liturgical "experimentation" which has troubled many of the faithful, Rome is about to issue a major disciplinary document, ending years of a generally "laissez faire" attitude toward liturgical experimentation and “do-it-youself” Masses.

The document is now in draft form and is expected to be published between October and Christmas this year.

In a bombshell passage, the document will also encourage far wider use of the “old Mass”, the Tridentine rite Mass, in Latin, throughout the Roman Catholic Church.

The new, stricter guidelines for celebrating the liturgy, and the mandate to celebrate the old Latin Mass more widely, even on a weekly basis, in every parish in the world, will be contained in a document to be published by the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments, headed by Nigerian Cardinal Francis Arinze.

“We expect the document to be published before Christmas,” Arinze told "Inside the Vatican" in an exclusive interview. “We want to respond to the spiritual hunger and sorrow so many of the faithful have expressed to us because of liturgical celebrations that seemed irreverent and unworthy of true adoration of God. You might sum up our document with words that echo the final words of the Mass: ‘The do-it-yourself Mass is ended. Go in peace.’”

We will be reporting in more detail on this historic document in future issues of "Inside the Vatican."

[sinkspur]

By appearing in Mufti they simultaneously deprive those around them from the silent witness to Christ that helps restrain our baser impulses and also helps keep them from occasions of sin.

No beer at ballgames, huh?

[Polycarp]

When you trsh elederly people who want to be reverent for kneeling for communion

Sink was only being flippant in response to someone else's flippancy. He did not mean that literally.

[sinkspur]

why can't a future Pope trump Paul VI and suppress the Novus Ordo overnight as Pope Paul did with the Tridentine?

No reason why he can't.

But, you're talking about Church Time here, and you and I will both be dead before that happens.

[Loyalist]

How many times am I going to have to explain this on this thread? Oy vey, I'm pulling my hair out!

The more anyone explains his comments, the deeper a hole he digs for himself.

Say it once, stand by it, and shut up.

You only look hypersensitive otherwise.

[narses]

If beer is an occasion of sin for them, mufti or not they ought to abstain. If not, imbibe with moderation Deacon. In your case, I'd recommend avoiding bitters, as you need no more.

[TradicalRC]

Surely it's not too much to ask you to learn an hour's worth of Latin?

[TradicalRC]

For now.

[Land of the Irish]

But, you're talking about Church Time here, and you and I will both be dead before that happens.

Church time moved pretty fast between 1959 and 1969. It can move just as fast as, say, between, say, 2005 and 2015.

[Canticle_of_Deborah]

It all depends on what is familiar to people. If young children now are raised with the Tridentine and taught basic Latin the Tridentine will seem normal to them. The N.O. will be the 'foreign' Mass. This whole thing could be turned around within one generation.

[narses]

"FYI there are no such things as "Eucharistic Ministers" in the Catholic Church."

In the New American Church that appears to be no longer correct. Certainly a DEACON would know better, no?

[narses]

God is above time. If He wants, this could change in a day. His Vicar has that authority.

[sinkspur]

Say it once, stand by it, and shut up.

You only look hypersensitive otherwise

Nope. I've had my faith questioned, and been told FReepers are ashamed I'm on the Catholic forum.

So, I'm not going to allow misperceptions to endure by silence.

You can get away with sarcasm about dogs; my sarcasm is taken as a criticism of senior citizens.

Lots of folks with hair-trigger trip wires around this place.

If we ever crank up the Inquisition again, we've got some Torquemadas right here.

[narses]

And the Grand Inquisitor Deacon Bitter will be among those screeching "schismatic" and "heretic" no doubt all in great charity.

[sinkspur]

And the Grand Inquisitor Deacon Bitter will be among those screeching "schismatic" and "heretic" no doubt all in great charity.

You're turning into a cartoon character, narses.

Chill.

[Land of the Irish]

This whole thing could be turned around within one generation.

I don't even think it would take that long. Give a young Catholic a child's Latin-English missal with plenty of illustrations and explanations. Answer his questions, before and after Mass, and he'll be helping his little brothers and sisters learn the Mass within 8 weeks.

[Land of the Irish]

God is above time. If He wants, this could change in a day. His Vicar has that authority.

Absolutely

[narses]

"You're turning into a cartoon character, narses."

Your personal attacks on me have never ceased Deacon. Your bitterness is legendary here. You need rest.

[ninenot]

Sink, you're a broken record on the topic. Get with it. You should know all that Latin from your Sem training--for you, it will be a cakewalk.

As to the "rubrics" not being "practical" in a suburban parish--what are you smoking? The Faithful have demonstrated that they can stand, sit, and kneel. That's all they have to know, besides FIVE words: "Amen," and "et cum spiritu tuo."

Now that's not too hard, is it??

[ninenot]

Well, you share something with Sinky: the ability to sound like a broken record. Interesting that you both have nasty things to say about JPII...ain'a?

[ninenot]

The check is in the mail. I'm here from the Gummint to HELP you. I'll respect you in the morning. The dog ran away with the dish, spoon, and homework.