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Corn in Genesis 42:25
Bible Versions Your Questions Answered ^ | 2001 | David W Daniels

Posted on 03/27/2003 7:25:56 PM PST by Commander8

QUESTION: Why does Gen. 42:25 refer to corn, when corn is a new world crop? Europeans did not know of its existence until the 16th Century. Surely that must be a mistranslation by the KJV translators, because the Jews would have not known about corn.

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TOPICS: Evangelical Christian; General Discusssion; History
KEYWORDS: av1611; barley; corn; grain; greatbritain; maize; rye; webster; wheat
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1 posted on 03/27/2003 7:25:56 PM PST by Commander8
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To: Commander8
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2 posted on 03/27/2003 8:08:09 PM PST by drstevej
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To: Commander8
QUESTION: Why does Gen. 42:25 refer to corn, when corn is a new world crop? Europeans did not know of its existence until the 16th Century. Surely that must be a mistranslation by the KJV translators, because the Jews would have not known about corn.

Corn was a generic term used to represent "Any kind of edible grain". My sources for this are many, including my King James Bible Companion, Notes from "The Evidence Bible" and science books that I have read in the past. Corn was often referring to the seeds. If the Bible had said MAIZE, which was the actual word for what we commonly refer to as "Corn", then you might have a legit arguement. As it stands, this is just one of those poor attempts to discredit the King James Bible.

3 posted on 03/27/2003 8:23:59 PM PST by The Bard
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To: The Bard
Click on the link and read the answer.
It says basically what you just said.
4 posted on 03/27/2003 8:25:18 PM PST by Commander8
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To: Commander8
Mistranslation. Properly translated grain or wheat.
5 posted on 03/27/2003 8:48:14 PM PST by snerkel (WARNING: My posts have been known to offend.)
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To: Commander8
But God did
6 posted on 03/27/2003 9:45:08 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: Commander8
This is going to come as a shock to some, but, languages do not always translate perfectly.
7 posted on 03/27/2003 9:59:44 PM PST by Bella_Bru (For all your tagline needs. Don't delay! Orders shipped overnight.)
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To: Bella_Bru
This is going to come as a shock to some, but, languages do not always translate perfectly

This is also going to come as a shock to some: Language changes with time too.

8 posted on 03/28/2003 2:50:50 AM PST by LadyDoc (liberals only love politically correct poor people)
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To: LadyDoc
This is also going to come as a shock to some: Language changes with time too. They change in terms of, "this is what I want it to mean", or, "this best serves my purposes as the translator", or, "I dunno...this is the closest thing I could think of".

Generally, if you want to get the real meaning of anything, you need to learn the language it was originally written in.

9 posted on 03/28/2003 3:01:44 AM PST by Bella_Bru (For all your tagline needs. Don't delay! Orders shipped overnight.)
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To: LadyDoc
This is going to come as a shock to some, but, languages do not always translate perfectly

This is also going to come as a shock to some: Language changes with time too.

This as well is going to shock some: American English differs from British English. From dictionary.com:

3. Chiefly British. Any of various cereal plants or grains, especially the principal crop cultivated in a particular region, such as wheat in England or oats in Scotland.

SD

10 posted on 03/28/2003 6:39:19 AM PST by SoothingDave
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To: The Bard
As it stands, this is just one of those poor attempts to discredit the King James Bible.

Yes. The Book of Mormon gets a lot of guff like this ("at Jerusalem," e.g.)

11 posted on 03/28/2003 8:13:30 AM PST by Illbay (Don't believe every tagline you read - including this one)
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To: Illbay
As it stands, this is just one of those poor attempts to discredit the King James Bible.
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Yes. The Book of Mormon gets a lot of guff like this ("at Jerusalem," e.g.)

The issue on that count, Illbay, is that the "original manuscripts" aren't available to independent, third-party translators to verify whether the Book of [5th Amendment] was in fact translated correctly or not.

The original translation of said book was reported as being performed via supernatural means and unverifiable methods. Whether the Book of [5th Amendment] contains the word-for-word, idea-for-idea translation of the source documents, or (as has been postulated by some re the Book of Abraham) the source document was used only as a medium by which to supernatually "translate", i.e. communicate a wholly different message than the source document itself expresses via pedestrian translation efforts, there is no way for the common man to verify the veracity of said book, unlike other religious documents.

Now, it might very well be an accurate transmission of an inspired document written many centuries ago. But for any given party (not present at the time of translation) to accept it as such, without at least empirical proof of the accuracy of the translation, is a big leap of faith.

12 posted on 03/28/2003 11:48:53 AM PST by Alex Murphy (Athanasius contra mundum! "First poster warned not to discuss the weather in the Religion forum")
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To: Alex Murphy
Neither are the "original manuscripts" for the Bible available.

In the end, it takes faith. I have faith, for example, that the story of Moses in the Bible is correct--even though there isn't a single shred of archaeological or documentary evidence whatsoever to support it.

There is no evidence that the Egyptians ever kept Hebrew slaves, or that there were hundreds of thousands of them living in some place called "Goshen," or that any number of them made an exodus from Egypt. None.

But I believe this story is literally true, because the Spirit has witnessed it to me when I have prayed to know the truth of it.

Reliance upon the "arm of flesh," or the knowledge of self-important "scholars" is not sufficient to comprehend spiritual things. In fact, such a reliance can instead be DETRIMENTAL.

There is no more cynical as the "theologian" who confines himself to academic "study," and concludes that all the things of faith are merely superstitious delusions. Look for example at the terrible problems the Catholic colleges and universities are having with their "theologians." Most of them are better labelled "heretics," insofar as Catholic doctrine is concerned.
13 posted on 03/28/2003 12:11:46 PM PST by Illbay (Don't believe every tagline you read - including this one)
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To: Commander8
I have wondered about this myself.
14 posted on 03/28/2003 1:10:11 PM PST by cpprfld
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To: Illbay
Neither are the "original manuscripts" for the Bible available.

Unlike the golden plates??

There are very old manuscripts found and there are no significant variences ..Unlike other "edited" "Holy Books" it does not seem that there were changes made to accommdate political or social norms

15 posted on 03/28/2003 1:32:19 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7
There are very old manuscripts found and there are no significant variences...

Irrelevant. The fellow said "where are the original documents", not "where are some hand-copies documents that are only three hundred years newer than the originals.

Second, there are plenty of inconsistencies, as the Dead Sea Scrolls have abundantly shown.

16 posted on 03/28/2003 1:52:46 PM PST by Illbay (Don't believe every tagline you read - including this one)
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To: RnMomof7; Illbay
There are very old manuscripts found and there are no significant variences ..Unlike other "edited" "Holy Books" it does not seem that there were changes made to accommdate political or social norms

I'd add that the languages those manuscripts are written in a translatable language, meaning that we (and our detractors) have a means of verifying if there have been any "significant variences" in transmission from one era to another. There are more surviving, and translatable, ancient copies of New and Old Testament documents (some dating back to within a single generation of their purported writing) than for any other ancient work. Unless I'm mistaken, the next-best-supported document, in terms of survived manuscripts, is Homer's The Illiad. As far as I know, no one questions the reliability of the Illiad's translated message, because they can always go make another one from the survived manuscripts if they did.

The same is true of our ability to do likewise with the Old and New Testaments, insuring the accurate transmission of the original message. One may not like or agree with the message, but it's intellectual suicide to argue that the single-best-documented ancient text in all of history cannot be translated correctly.

In the case of the Book of [5th Amendment], the golden plates may indeed exist - I'm not arguing that point. I'm simply saying there's no way to verify if they were translated accurately. According to the only "original source" translator, the plates were removed from this plane of existence, taken away by an angel. Any revisions made to the published versions were therefore made without access to, or verification with, the complete source documents written in the original language.

17 posted on 03/28/2003 2:05:31 PM PST by Alex Murphy (Athanasius contra mundum! "First poster warned not to discuss the weather in the Religion forum")
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To: Illbay
What is your skill level in translation of:

[1] Koine Greek
[2] Hebrew
[3] Greek
[4] Reformed Egyptian
18 posted on 03/28/2003 2:45:04 PM PST by drstevej
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To: Illbay; drstevej
[4] Reformed Egyptian

Bonus points will be awarded if you can cite any 3rd party published document containing pictures of the source documents (all pages), and a side-by-side word-for-word translation of said documents into English, that exactly matches the Book of Abraham.

Points will be deducted, however, if the opposition can provide a published document containing pictures of the source documents (all pages), and a side-by-side word-for-word translation of said documents into English, that fail to match the Book of Abraham in both wording and plot.

Just to be fair.

19 posted on 03/28/2003 3:27:44 PM PST by Alex Murphy (Athanasius contra mundum!)
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To: Alex Murphy
Reformed Egyptian is bogus!

20 posted on 03/28/2003 3:34:34 PM PST by drstevej
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