"Why Are They Going After Michael Rose?" & "The Astounding Naïveté of Crisis Magazine"

Monday, December 16, 2002 6:57 a.m.
Why Are They Going After Michael Rose?
DID HE STEP ON THOSE BLUE SUEDE SHOES?
by Jay McNally

While Michael Rose's newest book Goodbye, Good Men has been hailed by many of America's most respected Catholic commentators as one of the most important books in decades, the reception by conservative Catholic publications has been mixed: Some, such as the NOR, The Wanderer, Inside the Vatican, and Homiletic & Pastoral Review have been positive; others have been harshly critical.

Regular readers of the NOR are familiar with this ongoing story. This journal (Sept. 2002) commented on the negative reviews published in Our Sunday Visitor and the National Catholic Register.

The criticism can be nasty, such as the Visitor's denunciatory headline "Goodbye! Scurrilous Journalist?" The criticism can be personally motivated, as when the Features Editor of the Register ventilated his ire with Rose for scrutinizing a personal friend of the editor who, as Vocations Recruiter for the Diocese of Providence, advertised for priestly vocations on the soft-porn cable channel MTV. The editor was so livid that he admitted that he had not read the book, save for the two pages on his friend, and that he had no intention of ever reading it.

Also telling is the self-righteousness and even hypocritical nature of some of the criticism. The Register's Editor said in an Editor's Note that a basic weakness of Rose's book is his use of anonymous sources: "It's bad journalism to base an investigative report on the testimony of an anonymous source...." Yet, the very article that the Register offers as an example of "responsible" journalism on the very topic of seminary chicanery -- an article that appeared in the Register -- quotes many anonymous sources. This double standard is detailed in NOR's "The Register Steps Into the Ring" (Sept. 2002).

These criticisms of Rose appear to tell us more about the critics than they do about Rose. This hostility to Rose comes from publications -- the Visitor and the Register -- not known for tenacious investigative reporting on matters within the Church. Indeed, they tend to soft-pedal and even back-pedal on tough subjects, particularly when something might be embarrassing to the hierarchy, which would be just about everything Rose touches on Goodbye, Good Men.

A tangential incident illustrates this point: Two years ago I wrote an investigative piece for The Catholic World Report about the homosexual priests' Internet chat-room group, St. Sebastian's Angels, which had as its mentor South African Bishop Reginald Cawcutt. Previous to this report, only The Wanderer published accurate details and no other Catholic newspaper called Steve Brady, who uncovered the serious scandal, which involved priests and chancery officials from many different dioceses. Some of the 55 members who chatted on the site said they worked in vocations recruitment, including Bishop Cawcutt, and some admitted they were on the lookout to welcome active homosexuals into the seminary. Shortly after my article was published I happened to be at an event attended by a key figure at a major Catholic publication. When he was asked why his publication totally ignored the incredible scandal of St. Sebastian's Angels, he replied, "I would have been fired the next day" -- by his bishop.

Thus, it was not until this year that Bishop Cawcutt finally resigned and several unapologetic members of the group were forced quit their parish posts -- and only after the secular press published articles about the group. As far as the vast majority of the Catholic newspapers was concerned, the ongoing scandal of the priests involved in St. Sebastian's was a non-story. Could this be because many Catholic editors were wary of losing their jobs?

The Editor of the Register apparently let slip the working policy at many Catholic publications in his chastisement of Rose in his Editor's Note: "What's more, for Catholics, the impugning of people's reputations -- particularly those of priests and bishops -- constitutes grave matter" (italics added).

Phil Lawler, who has more than a dozen years experience in the Catholic press, as former Editor of The Boston Pilot, and most recently nearly a decade as Editor of The Catholic World Report, said he has followed the unfolding drama over Rose's book. "Some of the more intemperate critics seem to be talking about a guy I've never met," said Lawler, who has worked with Rose for several years and published many long articles by him, including one last year based on the contents of his then-forthcoming Goodbye, Good Men. "He is not reckless, he is not extreme, he is an intelligent, balanced guy." Lawler continued: "It just looks to me as though Rose is being subjected to a standard of evidence not used for other books by other authors. People are being overly anxious to separate themselves from him. My guess is there is a lot of pressure. A lot of people [in the Catholic press] are saying they are upset with the book, are trying to convince bishops and others that they are 'mainstream' and not extremist. The point seems to be to make yourself look more moderate by making others look more extreme."

The most outrageous commentary on Rose and his book has come from a previously unknown writer, Fr. Rob Johansen, a 37-year-old priest ordained last year for the Diocese of Kalamazoo in western Michigan.

Fr. Johansen seems to have set the tone other Catholic publications and Internet personalities that have attacked Rose. His review of the book in Culture Wars magazine was the first published review. (Fr. Johansen's book review is on the Culture Wars website, but Rose's rebuttal, which appeared in Culture Wars, is not. Rose's response is at www.cruxnews.com.)

Fr. Johansen has managed to leverage his influence since he also operates an Internet based web log, or "blog" site, that is part of an informal network of web-based Catholic writers (including Amy Welborn and Mark Shea) who continually and admiringly quote one another. Fr. Johansen is also quite adept at using e-mail to quickly spread his venom about Rose to influential Catholics in the press and elsewhere.

Here is a brief litany of some of his more "colorful" comments (from various sources):

* "[Rose] cannot be trusted to tell the Truth.... so [Rose] resorts to innuendo: The tactic adopted by liars and rumor-mongers everywhere."

* "Michael Rose ... has again shown himself to be willing to stoop to unfair and unethical tactics by publishing his self-serving, inaccurate, and dishonest 'response' to my review."

In early June Fr. Johansen sent out e-mail messages to friends that were almost instantly circulating among Catholic media professionals boasting that EWTN's Raymond Arroyo had canceled an interview with Rose because of concerns about Rose's veracity, and that Rose was being sued by two priests. However, these factual claims are simply not true. Nevertheless, Fr. Johansen published this false information via e-mail, and he has, as of this writing, yet to be publicly criticized for this by any of the critics of Michael Rose.

While no priest has sued Rose, Fr. Johansen doubled the number of priests allegedly suing Rose to four in his off-air comments to a radio show producer (Kresta in the Afternoon, WDEO/Detroit-Ann Arbor) that was then spread to others in the Catholic press. Again, not true.

What's Michael Rose to do when an authority figure such as a priest is spreading serious misinformation about him, and other Catholic journalists are spreading these falsehoods? Rose told me this: "Just about every time I tried to communicate with Fr. Johansen either by phone or by e-mail, he wound up twisting things I said and imputing the worst motives to me. I'd say things to him in good faith, and I'd see my comments in print, twisted into some incredible conspiracy to lie and cheat. He's called me a liar repeatedly and ascribed to me motives that were simply not true. I decided I had had enough and, in consultation with other well-known Catholic journalists, decided my only recourse was to claim my rights and discuss a formal retraction for the falsehoods he wrote about me." Rose's efforts to communicate with Fr. Johansen proved futile, so Rose took up a Catholic attorney's offer to challenge Fr. Johansen to the either back up his claims or face a federal lawsuit for libel.

The attorney asked for a retraction of the e-mail messages, and Fr. Johansen complied with a very limited "clarification" on his blog site admitting that he relied on second-hand information -- the type of "rumor-mongering" he accused Rose of engaging in (which Rose didn't). Fr. Johansen also admitted he had no personal knowledge of what he was writing about.

Curiously, a careful reading of the transcript of Fr. Johansen's commentary during an hour-long interview on Kresta in the Afternoon [August 8, 2002] on Rose's book reveals that Fr. Johansen agrees with the overall premises of Rose's book, and even acknowledges that he himself ran into the very sort of seminary problems that Rose describes.

And here are a couple items from Fr. Johansen's review that are favorable to Rose: "I met with some of the same difficulties and obstacles faced by 'orthodox' seminary candidates that Rose describes in his book.... I know both from personal experience and that of many other priests and seminarians that many of Rose's allegations are true...."

Given that Fr. Johansen is able to say such agreeable things, one wonders just what is at the root of his campaign against Rose.

Fr. Johansen offers a good clue in his response to Rose's rebuttal to the Culture Wars review. He was fuming because Rose gave one-third of a page in his 264-page book to an ex-seminarian's account of psychological abuse at Sacred Heart Major Seminary, Fr. Johansen's alma mater.

A huge portion of Fr. Johansen's review of Goodbye, Good Men deals not with the book itself, but with Rose's publication two years earlier of an interview with that ex-seminarian in St. Catherine Review. In that interview the ex-seminarian was highly critical of Sacred Heart Major Seminary (SHS). He criticized SHS for many things, much of which was denied by certain people at SHS in several forums, including letters to the editor of the NOR (Feb. 2001 and March 2001).

In his review of the book, Fr. Johansen claimed that including the ex-seminarian's words in that one-third of a page presented a major credibility problem for Rose. (Rose explained why it was not a problem in his rebuttal.)

But there's more: In Rose's pre-publication manuscript intended for comment, proofreading, and fact-checking -- not for book reviews -- he incorrectly wrote that the ex-seminarian, who had left SHS, was now at a monastery. Rose was apprised of this error -- by me -- and corrected it for the final book.

Unbeknownst to Rose, Fr. Johansen was given this manuscript -- clearly marked "private use only" -- by E. Michael Jones, Editor and Publisher of Culture Wars.

Jones wrote to Rose in a February 6 letter that "I have also sent the manuscript out for review, and should get detailed comments by early March, so that you can make use of the critique if you want to make any revisions."

Rose said: "At this point I still did not have my final draft finished for book reviews and I understood that Jones was having an as yet unnamed priest do the same kind of fact-checking and editorial comment that others were doing. I had no idea it was Fr. Johansen, and that he was going to write a review based on the manuscript."

Meanwhile, Fr. Johansen wrote his first draft of his book review based on that manuscript -- and the review was published online. He maintained in that draft that Rose's information about the ex-seminarian being at the monastery was a forthright, intentional lie on Rose's part, indicative of his overall dishonesty and unscrupulous effort to deceive.

Rose was allowed to read Fr. Johansen's first draft via e-mail before publication in Culture Wars by Jones, and Rose immediately informed Fr. Johansen that he was going to remove the erroneous information about the ex-seminarian. Rose intended to remove only the incorrect reference to his being enrolled at the monastery. Fr. Johansen, however, thought that all reference to the ex-seminarian was to be removed, and submitted his final review on that premise. But Rose left in two paragraphs (one-third of a page) on the ex-seminarian. Here are those two paragraphs:

While Rose maintains Fr. Johansen misunderstood that he (Rose) intended to remove only the factual error on the whereabouts of the ex-seminarian, Fr. Johansen maintains this was a monumental betrayal, a lie, proving that Rose "can't be trusted."

It is the inclusion of those two paragraphs from the ex-seminarian on the abuse of psychological counseling at SHS, Fr. Johansen's alma mater, that is largely responsible for Fr. Johansen's rampage.

Now, complaints about psychological counseling at SHS are long-standing and widespread throughout the conservative Catholic community in the Archdiocese of Detroit. What is perceived as open hostility to conservatives at SHS and throughout the Archdiocese is talked about openly by seminarians, priests, and former seminarians. Many conservatives have simply given up on expecting any change at SHS, and many conservative priests do not recommend that conservative Catholics attend SHS. I know of many Detroit men who are studying for the priesthood outside the Archdiocese of Detroit precisely because of SHS's reputation.

The following are excerpts of three documents written by men highly knowledgeable about SHS, and a short piece about a fourth man I interviewed on the matter. These men are:

* Fr. Eduard Perrone, a priest of the Archdiocese, educated in the local seminaries, pastor of Assumption Grotto Church in Detroit, co-founder of Call to Holiness in Detroit, and a highly regarded leader of the orthodox faction of the Church in Detroit.

* Joseph J. Rangitsch, a seminarian for another diocese, dismissed this year from SHS, he believes, because he is conservative.

* Ken Lansing, a former SHS seminarian, now a seminarian at a monastery in Oklahoma.

* James Gault III, dismissed this year from SHS, he believes, because he is conservative.

Here are excerpts of Fr. Perrone's October 6, 2002, column in his parish bulletin: "I know that there are many men preparing for Orders who are forced to undergo 'counseling' sessions by area psychologists.... [The] matter of concern is that these men should be subjected to [psychological counseling] for 'problems' such as their firm adherence to papal teaching on the impossibility of women priests, or their traditional stance regarding liturgical practices. The matter is yet exacerbated when one becomes aware that some of the counselors involved are not Catholics.... One wonders how many more good priests would have been ordained from the diocese had they not been screened-out by the professional mind-controllers...."

Below are excerpts from an e-mail message from Joseph J. Rangitsch, who was dismissed from SHS last spring:

Ken Lansing, a former SHS seminarian (1997-1999), is now a seminarian at a monastery in Oklahoma. This excerpt is from a letter addressed to the SHS Rector, Bishop Allen Vigneron, in 1999:

James Gault entered SHS for the Diocese of Kalamazoo two years ago and was dismissed last spring. A self-described conservative with a fondness for the Latin Mass, Gault said he ran afoul of the liberal factions at the seminary, and readily admits he is not "a go-along, get-along kind of guy."

"They try to put out carbon-copy, cookie-cutter priests. We have too many passive priests, go-along types," he explained. "We need courage today in our priests, but they tend try to squash any courage." Gault said he did not oppose his weekly counseling session with Dr. Joel Harms. But Gault had a sense that Harms felt that "I would be prodded into compliance." Gault added, "I have no idea what he reported back to the seminary.... The counseling session were confidential."

Gault says he and his fellow seminarians saw a pattern in which those who too publicly expressed overtly conservative points of view were subjected a wide variety of tactics designed, he believed, make life miserable for them.

So, what is the mysterious Fr. Johansen saga all about? Is it as simple as, Don't step on my alma mater or I'll go after you? Maybe.

But the anti-Rose phenomenon goes beyond Fr. Johansen. So is it as Phil Lawler suggests: I can get in good with my bishop or the powers that be if I trash Michael Rose? Maybe, maybe not.

Jay McNally was Editor of The Michigan Catholic, the newspaper of the Archdiocese of Detroit, from 1990 to 1995. He has spent 20 years as a working newspaperman, half of that in the Catholic press. He writes from Ann Arbor, Michigan.

Monday, December 16, 2002 6:59 a.m.
The Astounding Naïveté of Crisis Magazine
by Michael S. Rose

In May of this year, Regnery Publishing released my latest book, Goodbye, Good Men. Published as it was in the midst of the ballooning priestly sex abuse scandals, the book received wide publicity and a large readership. In fact, Goodbye, Good Men, a look at how Catholic seminary education over the past three decades has been corrupted, made The New York Times bestseller list for four weeks.

But the book has not soared without generating great controversy. I would venture to say that Goodbye, Good Men has become one of the most controversial books about the Catholic Church in the last decade. Surprisingly, the most scathing criticism has come from some so-called conservative Catholic publications. They seem to be saying that while they agree with my thesis in at least a vague and general way, they take issue with the particulars as well as my research methodology and journalistic integrity. Ironically, a couple of these articles are themselves textbook examples of shoddy hack journalism (as pointed out in the Sept. issue of the NOR in "Killing Michael Rose" [on Our Sunday Visitor] and "The Register Steps Into the Ring").

Our Sunday Visitor actually printed an apology (July 28, 2002) for its unsigned article "Goodbye! Scurrilous Journalist?" (July 14, 2002), which contained so many demonstrably false statements that the anonymous author could not possibly have read my book. (Happily, Fr. Peter Stravinskas, the Editor of The Catholic Answer, another Our Sunday Visitor publication, did read the book. In its September/October 2002 issue, he stated that "the vast majority of American seminaries are rotten to the core," noting that this is "rather well-documented by Michael Rose in his bombshell book Goodbye, Good Men.") The National Catholic Register ran an op/ed attack piece by an editor who admitted he hadn’t read the book, save for two pages.

The third article was published by Culture Wars. E. Michael Jones, not only the Editor but the personification of Culture Wars, admitted to me that he hadn’t read Goodbye, Good Men when he published a five-page review of the book studded with many factual errors written by recently ordained Fr. Robert J. Johansen. Curiously, the majority of his criticisms — much of it based on erroneous second-hand information — focused on events and issues that weren’t even mentioned in the book he was supposedly reviewing. Despite the numerous and blatant inaccuracies of the Johansen broadside (pointed out by me and by others), it has been quoted or cited uncritically by everyone from the National Catholic Register to "gay" apologist Andrew Sullivan. [See the article by Jay McNally in this NOR — Ed.]

In the wake of these anemic criticisms came an article in Crisis magazine. Oddly enough, Crisis, which had previously published a highly favorable review of Goodbye, Good Men by Mary Jo Anderson, relied in part on the flimsy "evidence" of those previous articles in order to buttress its own claims.

On the face of it, the more formidable Crisis article ("A Matter of Integrity: Michael Rose and the American College of Louvain," September 2002) discredits me and Goodbye, Good Men. The article, by Crisis Senior Editor Brian Saint-Paul, is so trickily crafted that again — on the face of it — I seem to be exposed as a negligent and sloppy author at best, and a devious, self-serving, and malicious reporter at worst.

The Crisis article focuses on a five-page section of Goodbye, Good Men dealing with the American College seminary at the University of Louvain in Belgium, which is run directly by the U.S. bishops. In a nutshell, this section tells the story of 40-year-old Joseph Kellenyi, who claims that he was ostracized by a "homosexual clique" there, and that he was sexually harassed by a fellow seminarian, now-ordained Fr. Patrick Van Durme of the Diocese of Rochester. (Van Durme’s identity was protected in Goodbye, Good Men, but later revealed in the Crisis article.) Even after Kellenyi formally reported the harassment to the seminary faculty in writing several times, he claims the harassment continued unabated. Kellenyi says he was unwilling to submit to a "close relationship" that he felt was being forced upon him by Van Durme. Further, Kellenyi was told that if he didn’t submit, Van Durme would use his alleged influence with the Rector to have Kellenyi kicked out. And kicked out of the American College Kellenyi was at the end of the year, leading him to believe that his failure to have a "close relationship" with this classmate was what got him expelled. The expulsion was due both to Kellenyi’s unwillingness to submit and to his audacity in complaining about the harassment without relenting.

So, Crisis, after being approached by the Louvain seminary, took it upon itself to contend that there’s no evidence to corroborate such a story. In doing so, Crisis sought to prove two major points: that Joseph Kellenyi is of doubtful psychological and moral character — a "straight face" liar in fact — and that this section of Goodbye, Good Men is a product of disingenuous journalism. After mischaracterizing the events that were reported in my book, Crisis essentially put my reporting skills and integrity on trial in its own kangaroo court. From the start of its investigation, it was clear to me that Crisis had made up its mind that I was guilty, and that it had swallowed the line that Kellenyi was a raving crackpot.

Borrowing a technique from seminaries that have for decades ruthlessly discredited their seminarian whistleblowers, Crisis gets to work quickly on Joseph Kellenyi. Consider how he’s portrayed by Crisis: "He was a loose cannon who could blow at any moment"; he developed "this complex — almost like paranoia"; "he’s out to ruin some people," and "he can lie…with a straight face." Kellenyi is portrayed, without qualification, as mentally unhinged, a crazy man. But consider this: Crisis drew these quotes solely from a group of seminary classmates at Louvain about whom Kellenyi complained.

When I was researching Goodbye, Good Men, Kellenyi flew overseas from Belgium to meet with me in person for three days. Later, I met Kellenyi and others at Louvain. Since Crisis wants to turn the spotlight away from Louvain and on to Kellenyi, let me tell you what I know about Kellenyi based on my interactions with him, my interviews with people at Louvain, and my own research on the claims he makes in my book. Though no longer a seminarian, he is still a graduate student at the University of Louvain, where he was popularly elected to both the Teaching Committee and the Faculty Board of the Theology Department. Bernard Boone, a Belgian Jesuit and then-student body president of the University, served on these boards with Kellenyi. In Boone’s opinion, Kellenyi was "well-respected in the theology faculty." Kellenyi is also a cum laude scholar, and this year he received the prestigious Callihan Religion and Liberty Fellowship from the Acton Institute in Grand Rapids, Michigan.

Nigerian priest Fr. Innocent Iaguwuom, another classmate in the Theology Department, said that Kellenyi is noted for his friendly disposition, his academic acumen, and his willingness to constructively engage professors during class. "He’s helped our classes become very informative discussions," he remarked, and "his willingness to help other students is tremendous. I’ve learned a lot from Joe." And Beatrice Kamus, a theology student from Uganda seconds Fr. Iaguwuom’s remarks: "Joe is one of the most prominent students in the [Department], and has been one of the most helpful to me over the past year." Brendan Sammon, now a religion teacher at St. Ignatius High School in Cleveland, knew Kellenyi for three years while a graduate student in Theology at Louvain. Sammon, who met Kellenyi through his involvement at the American College, described him as "a true disciple of Christ." Sammon noticed that many students at Louvain, himself included, looked up to Kellenyi as a "trusted older brother." Others in Louvain certainly corroborated that impression for me.

But Crisis mentions none of this! It doesn’t fit into its image of Kellenyi as a lying and paranoid loose cannon.

Crisis also forgets to mention that Kellenyi was a well-respected and accomplished businessman in both the U.S. and England before he left behind a $300,000 annual salary to study for the priesthood. Crisis also neglects to mention that Kellenyi was a commissioned officer in the U.S. Navy while a seminarian.

In other words, the portrait painted of Kellenyi by those outside the American College seminary at Louvain (i.e., those with no vested interest in defending the seminary) directly contradicts the Crisis portrait crafted by assembling quotes from his seminary peers about whom he had complaints. Crisis characterizes Kellenyi as unbalanced, paranoid, and prone to lying. But oddly, no one I interviewed thought Kellenyi unbalanced, paranoid, or prone to lying. No one! On the contrary, they characterized him consistently as a model student, a helpful classmate, and a trustworthy friend.

On top of that, Kellenyi submitted himself to a lie detector test at his own expense (around $2000) with internationally acclaimed polygraph specialist Jeremy Barrett, Managing Director of the London-based Polygraph Security Services, Ltd. In his detailed certified report, Barrett said: "There is no doubt that Mr. Kellenyi was truthful in all his responses." Kellenyi answered questions pertaining to every aspect of the information that was attributed to him in Goodbye, Good Men. Though the results of polygraph tests are not infallible, experts claim that they are reliable in 99% of cases. Polygraph evidence is used widely by governments and law enforcement agencies in many countries including the U.S. and England.

But if Joseph Kellenyi is not the psychologically unbalanced liar that Crisis makes him out to be in its hatchet job, then the Crisis article falls apart.

After impugning Kellenyi’s reputation, Crisis sets to work dismembering mine. The first target of the attack is my use of Kellenyi’s official final evaluation from the seminary, which includes reviews by student peers and some faculty members, including summary comments by the Rector. Crisis makes much ado about my contrasting of Wolfgang Diedrich’s glowing peer evaluation of Kellenyi with the emotionally negative one rendered by Patrick Van Durme, the seminarian Kellenyi accused of sexually harassing him for months. Crisis judged that my "use of Kellenyi’s theological evaluation and Dietrich [sic] and Van Durme’s peer reviews was, at best, careless." To prove its point, Crisis first calls upon Diedrich. But Diedrich immediately calls his own credibility into question when he tries to explain away his glowing peer evaluation of Kellenyi. His supportive evaluation calls Kellenyi "brilliant… compassionate… extremely industrious" as well as "friendly, knowledgeable, and engaging." He describes Kellenyi as "fairly understanding of people and circumstances." Nevertheless, the Crisis article suggests that Diedrich didn’t really mean what he wrote: "I wanted to write a positive evaluation, because I knew a lot of people didn’t think very highly of Joe." If Diedrich didn’t really mean what he wrote on Kellenyi’s peer evaluation, how can readers know Diedrich really meant what he said to Crisis?

Crisis also insinuates that Diedrich was the only reviewer who wrote positively of Kellenyi. This is not at all true: Giuliano Lupinetti gave a glowing report, in my estimation even more positive than Diedrich’s. For example, Lupinetti writes: Kellenyi is "a man of knowledge and what is more he goes out of his way to explain things to those who ask and [to] discuss in an adult manner things which might not be in complete agreement among those present," and "Joe works well with the people who attend Mass on Sundays. The younger people are able to approach him confidently and easily and those more mature people in attendance recognize him as an equal and treat him with respect." Lupinetti also attested that Kellenyi "works hard at whatever he does," and even says that he "would be pleased to work with him as his only associate pastor were [Kellenyi] pastor. Joe gets things done. Not only does he get things done, he goes to the trouble to find out well what needs to be done."

And then there’s Joseph Arsenault, who renders a mixed review of Kellenyi, but is in many ways positive. Far from being emotional in tone, Arsenault’s criticisms of Kellenyi are professional, well-mannered, and reasoned. For example, he writes, "I would have to say that I believe that Joseph’s spirituality is of a more traditional nature. I do not see this in itself as bad; however I do feel that Joseph is less open to other forms or expressions of spirituality/worship." Fair enough. But Arsenault also makes many positive observations such as "I see Joe as a serious student" and "he is very knowledgeable in many fields." Thus, out of the four seminarian peers assigned to evaluate Kellenyi, only Van Durme criticizes him in a fully negative, immature, and emotional way. Yet it’s Van Durme’s criticisms that are used by then-Rector Fr. David Windsor to hang Kellenyi. And that was exactly the point made in Goodbye, Good Men.

I characterized Van Durme’s peer review as "rambling and incoherent," and that it did nothing other than "express frustration and jealousy." Although Crisis amazingly disagrees, that’s still my reading of it — and I’m not the only one. Dr. John Fraunces, a Philadelphia-area psychologist who evaluates seminary candidates for the Diocese of Allentown, also read the Van Durme peer evaluation. "The style in which he writes," said Fraunces, "is terribly immature. This is high-school prose that should never have been accepted by his superiors, especially in view of the fact that there were other evaluations written to the contrary in a very professional, competent, and objective manner." Furthermore, said Dr. Fraunces, Van Durme’s evaluation of Kellenyi was written with "sexual undertones" and uses "buzzwords" typically bandied about by "gay" cliques in seminaries. Dr. Fraunces added: "This [evaluation] is a childish and inane exercise by someone who obviously had a personal animus against Kellenyi, or else he was set up by someone to do a hatchet job. He uses the type of verbiage that would put most heterosexual men on guard and give them second thoughts about staying in the seminary. It should never have been accepted or taken seriously." Fr. Andrew Walter, who read the evaluation when he was still unfamiliar with the context, commented that "it’s written with a very subjective passion, almost as if by someone who was unrequited." Fr. Walter, a priest of the Diocese of Bridgeport, said he received peer reports of a similar nature before he was expelled from St. Mary’s Seminary in Baltimore (widely nicknamed the "Pink Palace").

After reading the Crisis article, Dr. Fraunces commented, "This peer evaluation is a quintessential example of what Goodbye, Good Men is saying about having a homosexual clique control who stays in seminary and who gets booted. If the people at Crisis magazine don’t understand that this evaluation by Van Durme is a clear and stark example of what’s the matter with the seminaries and why we’re having a crisis in vocations, I can only say that they are invincibly naïve."

What’s even more astounding, however, is that upon graduation and ordination, Van Durme, who according to Dr. Fraunces writes in "high school prose" and with "sexual undertones," was invited back to the American College of Louvain by the Rector as a faculty peer the following year, and put in charge of the pre-theology seminarians. Now why would Crisis ignore this important piece of information? Because it harks back to Kellenyi’s contention that Van Durme claimed over and over again that he had a lot of influence with the American College Rector, and the threat that he would use that influence against Kellenyi if he didn’t accept Van Durme as his close friend and de facto formation advisor. In the end: Kellenyi gets expelled, and Van Durme gets ordained by the highly liberal Bishop Matthew Clark of Rochester, and is given a faculty position by the Rector of his seminary.

In addition to the peer reviews, Kellenyi’s Pastoral Supervisor, Fr. Francis Reilly, characterized him as "very friendly, outgoing, and hospitable with the Sunday community of the American College…. Joe is flexible and cooperative…. Joe also works well with the seminarian philosophers. Although he only joined the pastoral team at the beginning of the second semester, he fits in well. Therefore again he is flexible and adaptable…. Joe proves an effective presence among the people. The people appreciate Joe’s presence. The people see Joe as warm and welcoming, and as someone who is serious about being a seminarian. He fits in well with other team members." Fr. Reilly offered not one word of criticism — only praise. And because he served as Kellenyi’s spiritual advisor, Fr. Reilly was not given a vote as to whether or not Kellenyi could continue at the American College.

Even Fr. Kevin Codd, the current Rector who is now publicly denouncing Kellenyi, had this to say in his evaluation: "[Kellenyi] is a person who seems to understand himself well, has a great deal of self-confidence and is committed to his pursuit of his academic and theological development. I support him as he continues on the path towards ministry in the Church." Now does it sound like Fr. Codd is writing about a man who is a "loose cannon who could blow at any moment"?

The most important point to be made about the evaluation, again, is that Van Durme’s criticisms seem to be given undue weight by then-Rector Fr. David Windsor in his own summary comments —as stated in my book. Crisis misses this point when it inexplicably asserts to the contrary that Van Durme’s criticisms were shared by the faculty. The "Theology I Evaluation" (also referred to as the "Theology I Assessment") does not bear this out. Then-Rector Fr. Windsor simply rephrases criticisms made solely by Van Durme. Fr. Windsor, for example, writes that Kellenyi "connects better with those in the community who are twenty and twenty one [sic] years of age. While one seminary student rightly observes that this is Joe’s ‘entry group’ and they were all outsiders together, it is worth addressing this cross generational issue." Well, it’s worth comparing Fr. Windsor’s quote to Van Durme’s, who writes: "[Kellenyi] only hangs out with the youngest members of the community and has no interest in close contact with the more senior members even after advances were made," and then again, "Only the youngest members of the community seem to have his interest."

Interestingly enough, Wolfgang Diedrich is the only other person who addresses this so-called cross-generational issue when he defends Kellenyi in his peer evaluation against Van Durme’s accusation: "I realize that Joe may have come under some scrutiny for relating more with the younger members of the philosophy community than [with] the members of the theology community, but I do not find this strange since Joe has no immediate classmates. The philosophy students came to the house at the same time as Joe, and thus, along with Joe, they were the only unestablished members of the community at the beginning of the year. Since, It [sic] is natural for new members of a community to bond with one another at the outset of starting a new program in a foreign place, I personally do not find his interactions with the younger students to be unhealthy or inappropriate in any way."

Someone else at the seminary suggested another reason why Kellenyi was drawn to the younger philosophy students: because they were united in a fraternal orthodoxy, which Kellenyi did not find among the theology students who were nearer his age. That also happens to be exactly how Kellenyi described the situation.

Crisis also suggests that my reporting is disingenuous because I did not contact officials at the seminary to get their side of the story. Yet in Goodbye, Good Men I make very clear the Rector’s response to Kellenyi’s charges. Fr. Windsor is quoted from his August 25, 2000, letter to Kellenyi informing him that he was dismissed from the American College for "calumny against The College and its personnel" and for a "pattern of deception and abuse." The Rector’s position could not have been made clearer. Fr. Windsor is also quoted as writing to Kellenyi: "In my opinion, you are in serious need of psychological help…before you cause yourself and others untold damage." In other words, Fr. Windsor dismisses Kellenyi in writing as being mentally unfit for seminary and society. I, however, have a copy of Kellenyi’s psychological evaluation that was used as part of the admissions process into seminary. That evaluation unequivocally states that Kellenyi is a well-balanced and mentally fit man. Written by Dr. Jeffrey M. Slutskey, Kellenyi is summed up thus: "He is an internally strong, emotionally stable man who comes across as intelligent, accomplished and competent."

Furthermore, Crisis’s hypocrisy is revealed in its author’s one-sidedness. He writes under the guise of impartiality, yet he takes Louvain’s Fr. David Windsor and Fr. Kevin Codd (the "officials") at their word on everything they’re claiming. Crisis failed to practice the very thing it was sanctimoniously preaching: getting all sides before making any conclusions. Why did Crisis not contact officials or other students at the Theology Department (not the seminary) at the University of Louvain? Why did Crisis not contact Kellenyi’s vocations director in the Diocese of Venice (Florida) to see if he took the Louvain evaluation of Kellenyi seriously? Why did Crisis fail to contact Fr. Francis Reilly, Kellenyi’s spiritual adviser? Why did Crisis fail to contact Kellenyi’s former business associates? Crisis cannot apparently live up to the standards for which it so vehemently calls. Most damning is that Crisis was not interested in meeting with Kellenyi, even though he offered to meet with the folks at Crisis at their Washington office at his own expense to go over the evidence he had in hand that enabled him to make the claims he did. One could easily conclude that Crisis was intent on doing a spin-control puff piece for the Louvain seminary.

A major point of contention brought out by Crisis regards the existence of a "gay" subculture at Louvain during the year Kellenyi spent there (1999-2000). Crisis misinterprets Kellenyi, disregarding the stated facts in the book, when it repeatedly questions the existence of an "active gay community" (my italics). That’s not at all how Kellenyi characterized it. He is quoted in Goodbye, Good Men as saying that it was his impression that there was a "homosexual clique" (he said nothing about an "active gay subculture") at the American College. Fr. Donald Cozzens, former Rector of Cleveland’s seminary, in his book The Changing Face of the Priesthood, speaks of the chronic destabilization that heterosexual men experience in certain seminaries that are home to an inordinate number of (active or not) homosexual students and/or faculty members. According to Kellenyi, this is what he experienced when he was a seminarian at the American College of Louvain. He felt ostracized by a clique that he perceived was, at best, "campy." Now, if one wants to corroborate the existence of a "gay" or campy clique at a seminary, would one contact the Rector or some other seminary official and ask him expecting to get a straight answer? Crisis implies yes. I respectfully say no.

Crisis then calls upon Wolfgang Diedrich, once again, in order to prove that no "gay subculture" was extant at Louvain. But judging from what Diedrich says on behalf of Van Durme, he inadvertently seems to confirm the opposite: "Of all the people I knew in seminary, Pat Van Durme was the one guy who was without a doubt clearly heterosexual." One could easily conclude from this that everyone else was or might have been homosexual, that there was indeed a homosexual clique.

Crisis also quotes Kellenyi’s classmate Fr. Joseph Marcoux (pictured at left) as saying, "I certainly never experienced a gay subculture at Louvain. I never saw anything like that." Like what? Fr. Marcoux, ordained in 2001, and now Assistant Pastor at Sacred Heart Cathedral in Rochester, N.Y., himself conducts gay/lesbian workshops. For example, according to the newsletter of the Diocese of Rochester’s Gay and Lesbian Ministry, Fr. Marcoux conducted one last year at Our Lady of Peace entitled "Gay and Lesbian People in the Church."

The Diocese of Rochester and Bishop Matthew Clark (Van Durme’s and Marcoux’s boss) in fact have long bastardized the Church’s teaching on homosexuality. Consider this gem from Bishop Clark during a homily at a highly publicized Mass for "gays, lesbians, and bisexuals" at Sacred Heart Cathedral: "I’m afraid the Bible is used in ways that are not life-giving, but destructive, as it’s quoted about gay and lesbian people. I think we need to learn from the human sciences" (March 1, 1997). According to The Wanderer’s News Editor, Paul Likoudis, who attended the Mass, during his homily Bishop Clark "not only affirmed the ‘lifestyles’ of gays and lesbians, saying they had much to teach the wider Church, but delivered a stinging rebuke to faithful Catholics and admonished them to ‘update’ themselves on contemporary biblical scholarship."

The following year (1998) Bishop Clark hosted the annual conference of the National Association of Catholic Diocesan Lesbian and Gay Ministries. Participants included a long list of the most radical dissenters from Catholic teaching on homosexuality. Their "gay issues" agenda: blessing same-sex "marriages" in the Church, transforming Catholic high schools into "gay-friendly" schools, adoption of children by gay and lesbian couples, introducing gay themes in Sunday homilies, and working for the "conversion" of those Catholics who still object to homosexuality. (See http://www.aquinas-multimedia.com/catherine/nacdlgm.html for in-depth detail on what was taught at that conference.)

According to a photo-caption in the September 21, 1998, issue of the Rochester Democrat & Chronicle, Patrick Van Durme (Kellenyi’s accused harasser) attended that bizarre gay/lesbian conference. There’s even a photo in the Democrat & Chronicle to prove it: Van Durme is pictured receiving Communion from Bishop Clark, whose hand oddly rests on Van Durme’s shoulder.

The Crisis article also relies on too many assumptions as evidence. For example, Crisis states that Van Durme was once engaged to be married, leading readers to believe that this fact renders any accusations of the man having homosexual attractions devoid of credence. On its own, the fact that Van Durme was engaged proves nothing. After all, notorious homosexual priest/abuser Rudy Kos of Dallas, among others, was once engaged and married.

While Crisis spends an inordinate amount of time on the question of whether Van Durme is "gay" or not, it’s worth pointing out again that Kellenyi accused him of sexual harassment: an abuse of power. The difference between a homosexual and a homosexualist may be a small one. In his peer review of Kellenyi, Van Durme accuses him of not being interested in "gay issues." Van Durme attended a conference that promoted "gay issues" that radically undermine the Church’s teaching on homosexuality. The bishop who sponsored Van Durme has personally promoted teachings and proposals that are at odds with the Catholic Church on homosexuality. Van Durme is said to have been friends for 15 years with Rochester priest Fr. Joseph Marcoux, who teaches gay/lesbian workshops. And as I quoted Kellenyi as saying in my book, "He [Van Durme] told me one time that the way I was sitting in my chair made him want to fly across the room and grab me." That doesn’t necessarily make Van Durme an active homosexual, but any normal, red-blooded male would surely want to avoid such a person, would not want a "close relationship" with him. There’s enough evidence to suggest that Kellenyi’s impression of Van Durme is not as outrageous as Crisis makes it sound. In the end, whether or not Van Durme is "gay" is irrelevant.

I talked to others in both Louvain and the U.S. who corroborated Kellenyi’s "impression" of the Louvain seminary. In fact, I spoke to two successful vocations directors who said neither they nor their bishops would consider sending seminarians to Louvain, one of the reasons being the seminary’s "effeminate reputation." Could they prove that there was homosexual activity going on inside the walls of the seminary? No, said both. But that wasn’t the point.

(Crisis gets perturbed when I quote unnamed sources. As I stated in the introduction to Goodbye, Good Men, priests fear reprisals from their fellow priests and especially their bishops. Here’s a case-in-point: Earlier this year Fr. Bryce Sibley of Lafayette, Louisiana, was censured for six months by his bishop because he publicly corroborated Kellenyi’s impression of the homosexual clique at Louvain. Fr. Sibley said his impressions were formed while on a week-long visit to the seminary in 1997, during which time he was a student at the North American College in Rome. Shortly after Fr. Sibley posted his article online, a letter of complaint from Louvain Rector Fr. Codd resulted in the swift removal of the offending article from circulation at the demand of his bishop, and Fr. Sibley’s subsequent silencing.)

The vocations directors I spoke with indicated that many of the U.S. bishops have been very reluctant to send their seminarians to Louvain, and that for some bishops Louvain "isn’t even on the radar." The statistics bear this out. Crisis neglected to mention that during the year Kellenyi attended, the American College at Louvain had only 14 seminarians. In fact, out of the entire United States, Joseph Kellenyi was the only man to enter the Theologate in the Fall of 1999. In other words, Kellenyi was the only man in his class. He had no classmates! According to the seminary’s website, the entire student population of the seminary’s Theologate during the 2001-02 academic year had dwindled to seven men with an additional four in the pre-theology program. [The Theologate further dwindled to five men during the 2002-03, making for a student:teacher ration of 1 to 1]. These numbers don’t even justify a fraction of the cost of running the seminary. And one wonders if donors to the American College are aware of this. When I spoke by phone with Barbara Henkels, a member of the Advisory Board for the Louvain seminary (and a member of the Publication Committee for Crisis), she seemed genuinely surprised — even shocked — when I explained that Kellenyi was the only man in his class. Out of the 184 U.S. dioceses, only six sent a seminarian to Louvain’s American College in 2001-2002.

When wondering why only a handful of bishops send men to Louvain, consider that Louvain "boasts" many world-renowned liberal Church theologians. Prof. Joseph Selling, Chairman of the Department of Moral Theology at Louvain, for example, has become a controversial figure in the U.S. At the pro-"gay" New Ways Ministry National Symposium in Pittsburgh in March 1997 (at which Bishop Matthew Clark was also a guest speaker), Selling spoke of his expectation that the Church will approve of homosexual sodomy. Is the Church’s teaching on sodomy going to continue to evolve, he asked?: "With respect to the homosexual relationship, will it evolve toward encompassing it? Yes, it will!" he emphatically replied.

Selling, editor of The Splendor of Accuracy, a book which mocks Pope John Paul II’s encyclical The Splendor of Truth, also argues in New Theology Review No. 11 (1998) that heterosexuality and homosexuality are merely two alternative forms of living. In his analysis, the basic immorality of homosexual acts is not considered, rather only the "quality" of such a relationship determines its morality. If it’s consensual, loving, and stable, he reasons, then it’s moral — even if to others it’s sodomy. Theology students at Louvain laugh at the notoriety Prof. Selling has received in the U.S. "Some of the other theology professors at Louvain make Selling look like a ‘right-winger,’" explained Boone, the Belgian Jesuit.

"It's easy to lose your priestly identity here [at Louvain]."
-- Father Innocent Iaguwuom,
Theology student, University of Louvain

Part of the "progressive" nature of the Theology Department is an anti-clericalism of sorts, or perhaps more accurately, an overzealous egalitarianism. According to the Nigerian Fr. Iaguwuom, "It’s easy to lose your priestly identity here." He added that in his experience "no priest dares to wear his collar here because he’d be ridiculed." Priests who are students in the Theology Department, he lamented, are never referred to as Father: "Their priesthood is not recognized."

When Goodbye, Good Men was published, Alice von Hildebrand (who wrote the Foreword to the Aquinas edition) and Fr. Kenneth Baker, Editor of Homiletic & Pastoral Review, both warned me that I would be attacked, but I never seriously considered that the attack would come from Crisis magazine and other so-called conservative Catholic publications. The net effect of these reviews has been to draw attention away from the issues in the book and focus on the author. Unfortunately, for Crisis, Michael Rose has become the issue. In many ways this mimics what has transpired in Catholic seminaries over the past several decades. (And certainly mimics what happened in Kellenyi’s case.) Those who dare go against the status quo are singled out for particularly harsh treatment and persecuted to no end. The stock tactic is to discredit the source by calling him psychologically unfit. In this case, Crisis’s argument rests almost entirely on discrediting the primary source, Joseph Kellenyi. But if Kellenyi is not a crackpot, which he is not, then Crisis’s article entitled "A Question of Integrity" would more aptly apply to Crisis magazine itself.

Crisis magazine’s defense of a troubled and shrinking liberal seminary seems strangely out of character, and I hope it reflects a temporary lapse in judgment. The Pope has ordered a "serious" investigation of seminaries affiliated with the U.S. Church, with particular regard to dissent, homosexual cliques, and the abuse of psychological testing. Those who wish to cover up these crippling problems will no doubt brandish the Crisis article. That Crisis has been willing to do the dirty work for liberal Catholics reveals an astounding naïveté — and let’s hope we’ve seen the last of such gullibility.

In spite of this, my sources in Rome tell me that Goodbye, Good Men is being read in the Vatican and is being taken very seriously. While the influence of a book is almost impossible to trace, I am greatly encouraged that the Vatican recently prepared a draft document that says that anyone with a homosexual orientation must not be admitted to seminary, and if said inclination is discovered later he must not be ordained. Also, the Vatican is working on a document that will eliminate as much as possible the abuse of psychological testing in the discernment of vocations, and John L. Allen Jr., the Rome Correspondent for the National Catholic Reporter, says that "one catalyst" for the latter document "has been the much-discussed book Goodbye, Good Men" (Aug. 2 issue).

While there are powerful forces who wish to sidetrack or derail the documents on homosexuality and psychological testing, and the seminary investigation, I continue to hope — and believe — that our seminary system will be reformed and rejuvenated.

Michael S. Rose is an investigative journalist, and the author of The Renovation Manipulation, Ugly as Sin, and of course Goodbye, Good Men.

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Dear patent,

"Clearly, few people have the same view I do. As for that being the difference between a lawyer and a non lawyer, I doubt I agree with my fellow shysters any more than the rest of you. I am apparently just very hard headed."

Part of the problem may be that many of the tactics accepted by most lawyers as ethical, even required as a part of good representation of their clients, seem immoral to me.

This tactic doesn't seem worse than some other tactics, tactics defended to me by my lawyer-friends.

Again, patent, it may be a tactic which can be differentiated from others as being especially wrong. But I think one needs a lawyer's view to make that differentiation. It may be that Mr. Rose lacks that view.

"Put plainly, do you consider it proper to intimidate a priest into silence by threatening his Bishop?"

It's all in context. If the priest is doing something that is clearly wrong, I don't think that addressing the bishop is wrong, even trying to put some pressure on him. If the activity were completely unrelated to his status as a priest, it would be a little murkier. However, the conversation at hand revolves around church issues. It's difficult to say that the issues at hand are unrelated to Fr. Johansen's status as a priest.

Unlike the employee to the employer, the priest is bound in obedience to the bishop. If I notify the bishop of wrongdoing on the part of one of his priests, and it is serious wrongdoing, I expect him to tell the priest to stop. And that is binding on the priest. Much of the current scandal revolves around the failure of bishops to act as bishops in this way.

If the bishop fails to instruct the priest to cease his wrongdoing, the bishop either:

- doesn't think the priest is doing wrong, in which case the bishop is, in effect, endorsing the activity;

- doesn't want to do his job, in which case he is negligent.

In which case, if I think my cause is just, applying legal pressure doesn't seem too out of line to me.

"If you have a dispute, take it up with your target."

In the NOR piece, Mr. Rose says that he tried to deal with Fr. Johansen directly, but that his efforts were non-availing. The appropriate next step is to address the bishop.

sitetest

Unlike the employee to the employer, the priest is bound in obedience to the bishop. If I notify the bishop of wrongdoing on the part of one of his priests, and it is serious wrongdoing, I expect him to tell the priest to stop.

Of course, as I’ve previously said, this is different. I would not at all object to Mr. Rose or his attorney writing the Bishop and asking him for help. In fact, I would suggest the Bible compells that approach whereever it can be used.

A threat, to me, is different.

If the bishop fails to instruct the priest to cease his wrongdoing, the bishop either:
- doesn't think the priest is doing wrong, in which case the bishop is, in effect, endorsing the activity;
- doesn't want to do his job, in which case he is negligent.

Or doesn’t want to micromanage his priests opinions all them time, especially on something like this that isn’t an argument over Church doctrine, just whether the seminary is doing a good job or not.

Dominus Vobiscum

patent +AMDG

Dear patent,

"A threat, to me, is different."

I understand what you're saying, there. Personally, that isn't where I would have started. If I'd been in a similar situation, I'd have suggested to my attorney that we write the bishop a nice letter imploring him for assistance. However, it may be that Mr. Rose sent the letter he sent at the urging of his attorney.

My own attorneys, over the years, have advised me to send, or have sent on my behalf, letters and things which I would not initially have sent, or had sent on my behalf. But part of hiring an attorney is placing some trust in him to do what is best on your behalf. If you aren't prepared to take your attorney's advice most of the time, you should have a different attorney.

"Or doesn’t want to micromanage his priests opinions all them time, especially on something like this that isn’t an argument over Church doctrine, just whether the seminary is doing a good job or not."

Here, I disagree. Mr. Rose wasn't accusing Fr. Johansen of having an opinion of how well the seminaries are doing. Mr. Rose was accusing Fr. Johansen of violating the Eighth Commandment against Mr. Rose, concerning Mr. Rose's book about the efficacy of seminaries.

If a bishop is unconcerned about publicly-made calumnies made by his priests against other Catholics, then the bishop is failing in his duties. To ask the bishop to intercede is not to ask him to micromanage his priests.

sitetest

All I KNOW is that Rose's thesis is absolutely correct, and that he's talked with a few (or more) individuals who support it.

I agree. Catholicguy mentined that “’Crisis’ also pleaded those FEW errors be corrected so they could enthusiastically promote Rose's important work.” I think I’ve said the same here, that I’d like to see him issue a second edition even better than the first. That I disagree with the one action doesn’t mean I disagree with the whole. His thesis (as I understand it anyway) is correct, we all know it.

God bless,

patent +AMDG

The title of this Post would seem to invite intelligent responses,just as the substance of Michael Rose's book should have elicited thoughtful reviews,especially from concerned Catholics.

The sad fact is that there was a whole lot of print "full of sound and fury,signifying nothing". Amazing!! What do you think?

I think that all of the reviews weren't worth one short paragraph between them. Two seemed to be so personal that I was rather embarassed reading them. I would have expected Crisis to have done an article about the pitiful state of the Louvain seminary,defending the indefensible is hardly what I expect from Crisis. The Sunday Visitor was kind of par for their course,I think they never quite know where they are headed.

With regards Johannson and his Bishop,I think Rose and his lawyer just cut to the chase.There is only so much time one has to spend and they probably knew that after sending a letter which would ge lost in the bureaucracy they would have ended up sending the first letter they sent anyway. Saved time,saved money.

I wish I had seen this thread sooner. Although I failed to notice the controversy when I had originally read the referenced article in the September issue of Crisis, I was very put off by the author's response to Joseph Kellenyi's letter in the December issue. Looking back, I am now disappointed that Dean Hudson placed such a one-sided article in the feature section. I would have hoped that a periodical like Crisis would have attempted to present the disagreement under at least the pretext of objectivity. Have there been any new developments in this dispute?

Also, you all mentioned Crisis magazine in your comments. I have been subscribing for six months now and still haven't been able to figure out exactly what angle the editors are coming from. Is Crisis worth reading? I appreciate your opinions.

I just have to chime in here about Deal Hudson. We are having a heck of a time here in Boston with the dissenting group "Voice of the Faithful" and a lot of dissenting priests who are aiding and abetting them (and some who actually formed it). About a month ago, Deal Hudson flew to Boston to meet with a group of orthodox Catholics in the Holy Cross Cathedral. He did this to see exactly what was going on himself instead of reading about it in the newspapers. He met with some of the protesters before Mass and afterwards met with this ortho group. There were home made sandwiches and soda and cupcakes, nothing fancy. Mr. Hudson ate with us and spent a couple of hours discussing ways that we could try to combat heresay in our own parishes. He did this on his own time and his own dime. He struck me as being very orthodox, very faithful to the pope and very humble. He's a convert and he used to be a Presbyterian minister, now he runs "Crisis" and is the Catholic advisor to George Bush - meets with him once a week. IMO, we are lucky to have him, I didn't see an agenda and I guess his opinion on Michael Rose is just that.

The "World over Live" on EWTN had a 2002 year in review show with Pat Buchanan and Deal Hudson as the guests last Friday night. I think you can watch tomorrow (Monday) at 10 AM and 11 PM ET. I just looked and it doesn't look like that show has made it to the downloadable archives yet. Worth checking out if you can.

"editorial intent" of anyone is usually over my head, I have to admit. But I do like Mr. Hudson although I don't agree with everything he says or does.

I thank God for Michael Rose and his book. Personally, I believe most of what he wrote, but there are a few facts that may be incorrect or at least partially true and partially false. I'm thinking of the "MTV" priest down in Rhode Island and also the stuff about Mr. Kellyani (sp) - Mr. Rose should probably clean those things up with a preface in any new editions.

His book was timely and informative and eye-opening and a lot of respected, orthodox, "in the know" Catholics endorse it, good enough for me! The back and forth stuff I read at least every other week in magazines and blogs drives me nuts. I'm not sure what it accomplishes.

It is interesting that so many busy men get so involved stomping out piss ants when quite soon an elephant is going to stomp on ther heads. The fact is that Michael Rose wrote a book about one of root causes of the critical issues facing the Church in America today. Nary a critic addressed the issue,they all focused on what I call "asides".

Still waiting for a rebuttal book to refute "Good bye! Good Men.

Doing some old searching around and came across some great old threads... liked your post on this one. :-)

Still waiting for a rebuttal book to refute "Good-bye,Good Men".

And you will wait until the cows come home. As I try to point out Truth is the only "right".Truth is compelling. Truth is;lies are not. Without Truth there can be no freedom. Truth can smother error.

The enemy is far more aware of this than we are,and they know that to attempt to refute a book that is in essence an accurate and true reflection of the state of seminaries in this country would juxtapose truth with untruth and their lies would be hanging out for all to see. They are not ready for that yet.

If one were to pull out the facts in the five articles criticizing the Rose book,and you can throw in all the comments from posters of FR too,it would be reduced to five short paragraphs. The enemy knows that and are not stupid enough to expose that,so they had to satisfy themselves with little flurries of furious attacks that were "full of sound and fury,signifying nothing".And,they let folks who are considered to be more conservative and orthodox wield the sword. They are clever.

Those who tried to point out the shortcomings with so many words and so little content,probably were more motivated by trying to protect persons they liked and/or knew rather than a desire to join in the destruction of the Church. BTW,I still think all Catholics who want to save Catholicism in the western world need to read a good book on guerrilla warfare,if more Catholics reallized that we are fighting the evil one and his minions who are very "street smart",we would be where we should be almost two years after the initial shocks. But we are not,I have seen very little growth,even among Catholic Freepers,they are still arguing with their feet glued to their very own position.It is both strange and sad and scary.

We have a gas shortage out here,they had a blackout in the east last week,one hundred and thirty people are running for governor in California,the Episcopalians have ordained a "gay" bishop,the catholics are still dithering around with the homosexual abusing priests and cover-up bishops,confusions reigns and people who say they are catholic fight with one another,Oklahoma City,the TWA flight,Waco,9/11 and heat and rains and fighting all over,you have to wonder how many wake-up calls God is going to give us.

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