Posted on 09/03/2002 12:16:14 PM PDT by Aliska
Miracle Cure: Priest's recovery brings sainthood to Polish nun
By Caryle Murphy/The Washington Post In 1995, the Rev. Ronald P. Pytel, just 48, had resigned himself to an idle life and early death. His heart was so damaged that simply walking made him winded. His complexion was pallid, his weight a gaunt 140 pounds. His quality of life, he recalls one doctor saying, "wasn't worth a plug nickel." But the pastor of Holy Rosary Catholic Church in Baltimore, like many of his parishioners, had long been devoted to Faustina Kowalska, a Polish nun and mystic who died in 1938. At a healing service in October 1995, he and a dozen church members were praying to her for his health when Pytel fell to the floor and, although conscious, couldn't get up for 15 minutes. "I could talk, but I couldn't move a muscle," he recalled. "It was as though I was paralyzed." When he finally stood up, he felt so fit he began laughing. Nowadays, the blond Pytel has the rosy cheeks of a choirboy, weighs a hearty 170 pounds and swims with abandon. His pumping machine is so robust he jokes of having "the heart of a 19-year-old." He and his parishioners call what happened a miracle. And so does the Catholic Church.
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Au contraire. Everything was upbeat until reply number 5 in which this statement changed the tenor of the discussion:
Let me get this straight; you think it is a positive thing when people idolize other people?!!?
That was a snide snipe at catholic beliefs and practices. Then a chorus of bible-only people joined in and have succeeded in ruining any joy there was about the priest being healed and giving glory to God for the miracle.
I'll be happy to provide you with many passages from Scripture, but first I need to know if you ever recite the Apostles' Creed and utter the words "communion of saints"?
I just can't seem to find in this passage where it says to pray to the dead or pray to any man.
While not limiting ourselves to this one passage, is it your contention that the Saints in heaven are dead and that Jesus was not a man?
sure there is
Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
God is not a respecter of persons..When He looks at the saints He sees His son!
And what were those things Christ spoke about, and where are they described in the Bible? What if the Apostles chose to transmit those specific teachings by word instead of writing them down?
Yes, CC. What were those things Christ spoke of and where are they discussed in the Bible? What if Christ and/or the Apostles chose/were told to hand down those things by word instead and not by writing them down?
A ping for the good doctor
Woody rejects that authority. So, I ask, who is his authority that decides what is proper scripture and what is his his authority that backs up his interpretations. He says himself. If a person is going to tell me how I should read scripture they had better have something to back up what they say besides the lame argument of self interpretation. It won't wash with me.
ADJECTIVE: Clearly expressed or presented; easy to understand.
II Peter 3:16 As also in all [his] epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as [they do] also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
II Peter 3:17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know [these things] before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.
<> Do you see the problems you run into here? OP, you make this sort of mistake repeatedly because you think you have authority to decide what the Bible does and doesn't mean. You make this sweeping assertion that the Bible is easy to understand when it clearly isn't. That is why you disagree with Xins, me, restornau et al as to what it does and doesn't mean
Is is only after CENTURIES of Catholic Teaching that Christology was defined. It is only thanks to the Catholic Church - none other - to depend upon for its surety of Doctrine that you able now to engage in Eisegesis and read into Scripture that which is not pellucid.
The first centuries witnessed Innumerable attacks on the Traditon of Christology and the Correct Teaching was developed and taught by ONLY the Catholic Church and numerous were the heresies that erred in either ascribing too much or too little of the Divine Nature to Jesus. The landscape was littered with private interpreters, like yourself, who thought themselves competent to war against the Pillar and Ground of Truth, the Catholic Church.
The second quote of Peter warns us against folks, like Calvin, who came along with his own personal opinions and usurped Divinely-constituted Authority. <>
Well another near-miracle for today. I am in complete agreement with you, CatholicGuy. I hope you are sitting down.
Except for this part....
Incorrect. The Bible says that there is one mediator, Christ, mediator and intercessor are two different things.
1 Timothy 2:1 "I desire therefore, first of all, that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for all men:"
1 Timothy 2:5 "For there is one God, and one mediator of God and men, the man Christ Jesus:"
<> LOL I am flat on my back :)
Jesus is God...(in case you had forgotton:>)
Did He have the apostles talk to them?
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