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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
On the basis of 2 Timothy 3:16-17, then, let's entertain for discussion the Protestant contention that Scripture is essentially perspicuous:

ADJECTIVE: Clearly expressed or presented; easy to understand.

II Peter 3:16 As also in all [his] epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as [they do] also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

II Peter 3:17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know [these things] before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.

<> Do you see the problems you run into here? OP, you make this sort of mistake repeatedly because you think you have authority to decide what the Bible does and doesn't mean. You make this sweeping assertion that the Bible is easy to understand when it clearly isn't. That is why you disagree with Xins, me, restornau et al as to what it does and doesn't mean

Is is only after CENTURIES of Catholic Teaching that Christology was defined. It is only thanks to the Catholic Church - none other - to depend upon for its surety of Doctrine that you able now to engage in Eisegesis and read into Scripture that which is not pellucid.

The first centuries witnessed Innumerable attacks on the Traditon of Christology and the Correct Teaching was developed and taught by ONLY the Catholic Church and numerous were the heresies that erred in either ascribing too much or too little of the Divine Nature to Jesus. The landscape was littered with private interpreters, like yourself, who thought themselves competent to war against the Pillar and Ground of Truth, the Catholic Church.

The second quote of Peter warns us against folks, like Calvin, who came along with his own personal opinions and usurped Divinely-constituted Authority. <>

211 posted on 09/04/2002 9:44:26 AM PDT by Catholicguy
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To: Catholicguy
You make this sweeping assertion that the Bible is easy to understand when it clearly isn't.

Well another near-miracle for today. I am in complete agreement with you, CatholicGuy. I hope you are sitting down.

214 posted on 09/04/2002 9:48:27 AM PDT by MarMema
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To: Catholicguy
It is only thanks to the Catholic Church - none other -

Except for this part....

215 posted on 09/04/2002 9:49:39 AM PDT by MarMema
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