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What Was Job’s Problem?
The Reason For My Faith ^ | 7?31/26 | Chuck Ness

Posted on 07/31/2026 1:30:42 AM PDT by OneVike


While I agree with mainstream Biblical theology that self-righteousness was not Job's initial sin, I must disagree with their claim that Job was sinless throughout the whole ordeal he went through. There was a flaw in Job's heart, and it emerged during his severe trials. The popular teaching we get is totally based upon the narrative we are given in the introduction of Job, that his suffering was not a punishment for any prior sin: “Prior”, signifying before Satan attacked him with GOD’s approval. What came later is all based upon, in my opinion, Job's response to his troubles, which GOD knew ahead of time. To say otherwise is to deny GOD’s omniscience.

Omniscience of God refers to His attribute of possessing total, perfect, and infinite knowledge. It means God is aware of everything: the past, present, future, and possible future, including the intimate details of our thoughts, words, and hearts, existing completely outside the limitations of human time and learning. This is why Jesus tells us if we sinned in our hearts, we are guilty of the very act we may not have committed in the flesh. The heart of the problem is always our heart, for our hearts will lead us into sin

But those things which proceed out of the mouth come from the heart, and they defile a man. For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies. (Matthew 15:18-19)

My stance is that I agree God knows everything that was, will be, and what might be. I get this from understanding the omniscience of GOD. A perfect example of this would be an incident that took place with David when Saul was hunting him down. You can read the account at 1Samuel 23:1-13 where GOD responds to David’s prayer about whether or not the citizens of Keilah, the town he saved from the Philistines, would or would not betray him to Saul. Read the account and you will understand my thinking and why I use the logic here as to GOD knowing even the what if’s of life that we cannot even fathom, and thus the reason I disagree with the popular understanding that Job was without sin.

In this commentary I will attempt to explain my reasoning as to why I believe that Job not only committed a sin by standing on his own righteousness, but he was also bordering on committing blasphemy. Yes, that is two possible sins: him standing upon his own righteousness against God’s, and the fact that in doing so he was bordering on blaspheming GOD, for daring to accuse HIM of an evil deed by wrongly punishing him. I will not go so far as to state that Job was guilty of blasphemy against GOD, yet a lesson in this is for us all to be cognizant of what we say, that comes from our heart, when we get frustrated by the troubles we are in.

Thus GOD knew before Satan came before HIM, that in Job’s heart there was a little problem, a problem Job did not even consider, a problem GOD knew existed. This is why we read in Job 2:10 that’

In all this Job did not sin with his lips.”

First off, this was offered before the long discussion between Job and his friends. True, at that time Job had not sinned with his lips. Yet!. However, by the time we get to Job chapter 40, we see GOD chastising Job for his errant attitude where he justified himself over GOD.

Then the LORD answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said: "Now prepare yourself like a man; I will question you, and you shall answer Me: would you indeed annul My judgment? Would you condemn Me that you may be justified?” (Job 40:6-8)

Many times we do not realize we have a problem until things go bad. Well, I believe from all I read in Job, that GOD allowed Job to suffer because HE wanted to point out that one flaw Job had. As usual, GOD played Satan like a fool in HIS lesson to Job, because in all that transpired Job never cursed GOD. It may seem cruel to us that GOD would use such methods, especially considering the loss of Jobs’ children, his wealth, and the good standing he had amongst everyone who knew him. Yet, GOD always knows what is best for us, and lessons do not always come cheap.

Before I continue, I want to make the point that the story and the lesson of Job should not be limited to just one ancient man living in the land of Uz. This account of the mysterious relationship between God’s sovereignty, human suffering, and personal righteousness speaks to larger universal issues related to the human condition and offers a correction to bad theology. The story of Job does this by establishing the principle that suffering is not always tied to sinfulness. Job teaches us that good people will also suffer in a fallen world. We read in Job 1:1 that he was an upright, blameless, and righteous man. Yet, as the rest of the book reveals to us, he suffered greatly.

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TOPICS: Evangelical Christian; General Discusssion; Theology
KEYWORDS: hewasntwozniak; job; justification; righteousness

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It's a long read but well worth it.
1 posted on 07/31/2026 1:30:42 AM PDT by OneVike
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To: OneVike
My mistake, I incorrectly posted the link to the commentary at the end,

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2 posted on 07/31/2026 1:39:56 AM PDT by OneVike (I don't remember the name of the mpve, )
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To: OneVike

Song about Job, written first person, sung in Russian, 4:50:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWQqwlX2TIY

“English lyrics (Job 19: 23-27)

Oh that my words were now written!
Oh that they were printed in a book!
That they were graven with an iron pen and lead in the rock for ever!

For I know that my Redeemer lives!
And on the latter day
He shall raise from the dust my skin that now falls apart
And in my flesh shall I see God!

Whom I shall see for myself,
And mine eyes shall behold, and not another;
How my heart yearns within me
My heart yearns


3 posted on 07/31/2026 1:43:30 AM PDT by Norski (Why is American no longer Christian? Because of CINO - christians in name only.)
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To: Norski

I would love to hear the melody of the music that accompanies this song.


4 posted on 07/31/2026 1:51:12 AM PDT by OneVike (I don't remember the name of the mpve, )
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To: OneVike

It is very beautiful, is not working at link posted? Will check.


5 posted on 07/31/2026 2:24:43 AM PDT by Norski (Why is American no longer Christian? Because of CINO - christians in name only.)
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To: OneVike

Yes, works. Extraordinary harmonics in minor key, plaint.


6 posted on 07/31/2026 2:29:03 AM PDT by Norski (Why is American no longer Christian? Because of CINO - christians in name only.)
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To: Norski

Awesome, Now if I only spoke Russian, but at least I know the words he is saying, even if I don’t know them in Russian.

Thanks


7 posted on 07/31/2026 2:41:27 AM PDT by OneVike (I don't remember the name of the mpve, )
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To: OneVike

Welcome. He sings Isaiah 6 in English.

Simon Khorolskiy - Holy Is the Lord

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_402FDIG_Y&list=RDI_402FDIG_Y&start_radio=1


8 posted on 07/31/2026 2:50:05 AM PDT by Norski (Why is American no longer Christian? Because of CINO - christians in name only.)
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To: OneVike

I’m not sure but I think part of Job’s sin may have been having fear, therefore not “completely” trusting God, but mainly I just replied to say that God’s speech to him from the whirlwind is one of my favorite parts of the Bible.


9 posted on 07/31/2026 3:25:55 AM PDT by BamaBelle (Psa 143:8 - ...cause me to know the way wherein I should walk; for I lift up my soul unto thee.)
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To: BamaBelle

One of mine also. Imagine having GOD speak to you in such a way. Wow.


10 posted on 07/31/2026 3:44:30 AM PDT by OneVike (I don't remember the name of the mpve, )
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To: OneVike

I am not inclined to agree with the commentary. The simpler explanation is that Job (and all of us) at times suffer not because of our sins but to serve God’s purposes. Taken properly, suffering can teach the virtues of humility and resilience, it may cause us to reflect on and remedy our faults, and we may suffer as a sacrifice or direction toward worthy ends that we do not comprehend or anticipate. Above all, the Book of Job shows that God is in charge, not us.


11 posted on 07/31/2026 3:46:47 AM PDT by Rockingham
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To: OneVike

The entire Job situation has always been a mystery to me and even with this enlightenment it still is. I’ll keep at it and get back you.


12 posted on 07/31/2026 3:55:32 AM PDT by devane617 (Facts Do Not Matter To Those On The Left—It's Their God.)
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To: OneVike

Hi...Mssr. Job was ‘the trading places one dollar Duke Bros. bet”!!

Yet, unlike the movie, Mssr. Job had a redeemer, without any ounces of skullduggery.


13 posted on 07/31/2026 4:06:38 AM PDT by Terry L Smith
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To: Terry L Smith

excellent point


14 posted on 07/31/2026 4:08:26 AM PDT by OneVike (I don't remember the name of the mpve, )
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To: devane617

I look forward to your response.


15 posted on 07/31/2026 4:09:03 AM PDT by OneVike (I don't remember the name of the mpve, )
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To: Rockingham
As I stated, it is my opinion, but then in Job 40:6-8, God does agree with me. In that He told Job, ("Would you condemn Me that you may be justified?").

Thus the very definition of being self-righteous is to claim your are righteous on your own accord. To justify oneself, is not wise.
16 posted on 07/31/2026 4:13:50 AM PDT by OneVike (I don't remember the name of the mpve, )
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To: Norski
Also Brent Bourgeois, Blessed Be the Name
17 posted on 07/31/2026 4:43:55 AM PDT by chajin ("There is no other name under heaven given among people by which we must be saved." Acts 4:12)
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To: chajin

Bkmk


19 posted on 07/31/2026 5:02:15 AM PDT by Quality_Not_Quantity ("...for the sake of His name." Psalm 23:3)
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To: Quality_Not_Quantity

Job....
For Study
One of The Oldest Books along
With Jonah.
Thanks


20 posted on 07/31/2026 5:57:10 AM PDT by Big Red Badger (Good SCIENCE is Not Faith BUT Curiosity. )
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