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[Catholic Caucus] The Vatican is now in Utter Chaos, As It Was Foreseeable
Rorate Caeli ^ | April 23, 2025 | The Wanderer

Posted on 04/23/2025 7:39:52 AM PDT by ebb tide

[Catholic Caucus] The Vatican is now in Utter Chaos, As It Was Foreseeable


 by The Wanderer

Argentina

April 23, 2025


Shortly after the death of Pope Francis, the Vatican was a hornet's nest, in every sense of the expression. In other words, it was and is chaos. It could not be otherwise when those who are at the head of the most delicate mechanisms of the Church are useless people placed there at the whim of the tyrant. 


The first major problem faced is the location. Bergoglio's decision not to reside in the Apostolic Palace, because he was very humble as we all know, and to settle down in the Domus Sanctae Marthae, generated a difficult atmosphere: gossip, comings and goings of journalists, powerful people with briefcases full of money, etc. More out of necessity than taste, Francis modified the original structure of the Domus, planned by John Paul II as a residence for the cardinal electors during the conclave and hotel or lodging for prelates during the rest of the time. As the reigning Pope lived there, entire floors were reserved exclusively for him, with important structural adaptations and the fixed permanence of collaborators and prelates close to him.


And when he died there, the situation became even more complicated. For example, it was necessary to wait for the transfer of the body to St. Peter's Basilica in order to prepare the Domus for the cardinal electors. While the body was there, the entire house was armored, and the rooms reserved for it must remain sealed until the election of the new pontiff.


The Constitution Praedicate evangelium [on the Reform of the Roman Curia], signed by Francis, is proving problematic. It is up to Cardinal Pietro Parolin and the Cardinal President of the Pontifical Commission for Vatican City State to address the question of alternative accommodations for the cardinals, since not all of them will be able to reside in the Domus due to lack of vacancies, precisely because of the reorganization carried out by Pope Francis over the years and the number of cardinals, which is greater than that foreseen by John Paul II. But in the Governorate there is no cardinal, but "Marshal" Raffaella Petrini, a Franciscan nun chosen by the Pope to occupy this position, contrary to the laws in force in the Vatican City State.


My friends who wander around the Sacred Palaces insist that everything is chaos, and some - the most wicked ones - laugh with pleasure. There are many widowers desperate because they know that their sinecures are over. The fact is that the pontificate of Pope Francis, strongly centralized and marked by drastic decisions, has created a polarized internal system and things will be hard.


Those who will surely return to Buenos Aires will be his private secretaries. And the rest of the Argentines accommodated in the Vatican's nooks and crannies are terrified. One of them is Gustavo Zanchetta, who had asked the justice of Salta for an extension until May to remain in Rome and not return to prison. He ran out of leaves of absence. And another one is Tucho Fernández. He knows, as everybody knows, that he will be the first one ejected from the curia, whether a conservative or a progressive is elected. Some curials have raised bets, and playing some in some good Roman trattoria, on how long he will remain in the palace of the Holy Office after Bergoglio's successor is proclaimed. 


Emilce Cuda, the feminist theologian who was taken to the Vatican from the Devoto seminary [the Archdiocesan Seminary of Buenos Aires], is already looking for some classes to give in the institutes higher learning of the Buenos Aires metropolitan area, and the Argentine bishops do not feel comfortable. There are many who fear that what happened to their Chilean colleagues will happen to them: collective resignation. 


When the Church is in a vacant see, the offices must be very straightforward and clear. And so they always were. But Bergoglio had a heavy hand and, besides reforming the Curia, he also reformed the funerals. Fortunately, he did not have time to reform the conclave. Consequently, by changing without legislating, chaos ensues, which increases when those in charge are useless.


To make matters worse, the conclave, as everyone knows, will not be short, and that increases concerns, especially knowing that the Church will be under the charge of Giovanni Battista Re, whose record in 2013 is not the best. Everyone knows, however, that the serious problem is the master of ceremonies, Abp. Diego Ravelli. Smug, but with an amazing ability to sow chaos, as seen in recent years while he was in charge of the Office of Liturgical Celebrations of the Supreme Pontiff. The internal organization of the conclave is ultimately in the hands of the masters of ceremony. It will be dramatic chaos, they lament. Some have suggested that Ravelli step aside and that Bishop Guido Marini take over. 


The improvisation and exceptionality of recent years are now taking their toll. The conclave that is looming on the horizon will be one of the most complex in history. Not only because of the logistical difficulties, but above all because of the spiritual and institutional legacy that Pope Francis leaves behind: a Vatican and a Church that is fractured, disoriented, and forced to face its deepest contradictions.


TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events
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Those who will surely return to Buenos Aires will be his (Francis') private secretaries. And the rest of the Argentines accommodated in the Vatican's nooks and crannies are terrified. One of them is Gustavo Zanchetta, who had asked the justice of Salta for an extension until May to remain in Rome and not return to prison. He ran out of leaves of absence. And another one is Tucho Fernández. He knows, as everybody knows, that he will be the first one ejected from the curia, whether a conservative or a progressive is elected. Some curials have raised bets, and playing some in some good Roman trattoria, on how long he will remain in the palace of the Holy Office after Bergoglio's successor is proclaimed.
1 posted on 04/23/2025 7:39:52 AM PDT by ebb tide
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2 posted on 04/23/2025 7:40:36 AM PDT by ebb tide (The Synodal "church" is not the Catholic Church.)
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To: ebb tide

The Vatican has its own “Deep State”.


3 posted on 04/23/2025 7:42:09 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: ebb tide

Who to choose... who to choose... USAID funding cut... who to choose...?


4 posted on 04/23/2025 7:43:26 AM PDT by T.B. Yoits
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To: ebb tide

Thanks for posting. Extremely interesting.


5 posted on 04/23/2025 7:50:54 AM PDT by Ge0ffrey
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To: dfwgator
I see direct parallels between the Biden Administration “Big Government” and the Vatican “Big Government”.

Too many chiefs, not enough Indians. The funeral, the Conclave, and the time leading up to it are going to be interesting.

6 posted on 04/23/2025 8:12:16 AM PDT by telescope115 (I NEED MY SPACE!!! 🔭)
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To: ebb tide

Frankie was the least humble Pope of my lifetime. What is this shyt?


8 posted on 04/23/2025 8:44:11 AM PDT by Seruzawa ("The Political left is the Garden of Eden of incompetence" - Marx the Smarter (Groucho))
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To: ebb tide

The Vatican, Big Government, Big Business— the people at the top of these things no longer seem to know how to manage or administer big things. They care about themselves and cannot be stewards.


9 posted on 04/23/2025 8:49:43 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: ClearCase_guy

The Vatican has been “big” for centuries, as the Catholic Church has always been centralized, yet the current administration is incapable of proper management. The United States has had big government since FDR’s time yet the Federal government is dysfunctional, with the jury out on the second Trump administration. The reasons are the leftist and Communist subversion of both the Catholic Church and the Federal government. The goal of the religious and secular subversives is to turn all institutions into facilitators of the New World Order.


10 posted on 04/23/2025 9:00:35 AM PDT by Wallace T.
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To: ebb tide

I hope God can reclaim his church.


11 posted on 04/23/2025 9:02:09 AM PDT by McGavin999 ( A sense of humor is a sign of intelligence, leftists have no sense of humor, therefore……)
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To: dfwgator
The Vatican has its own “Deep State”.

My understanding is that it's always been the Jesuits. This is the most realistic report I've seen of those inner workings. It's really dispiriting, if only because its focus is not on the Church at large.

12 posted on 04/23/2025 10:10:23 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The tree of liberty needs a rope.)
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To: ebb tide

The Vatican has been in shambles since the reign of Saul VI.


13 posted on 04/23/2025 10:47:05 AM PDT by Trump_Triumphant (“They recognized Him in the breaking of the Bread”)
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To: ebb tide

The Vatican has been in shambles since the reign of Saul VI.


14 posted on 04/23/2025 10:47:07 AM PDT by Trump_Triumphant (“They recognized Him in the breaking of the Bread”)
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To: Seruzawa

I think it was sarcasm


15 posted on 04/23/2025 10:50:14 AM PDT by Chickensoup
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To: Carry_Okie

In my childhood I cam remember the adults saying

... the G@ddamned Jesuits....

They have been hated for many many years.


16 posted on 04/23/2025 10:52:39 AM PDT by Chickensoup
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To: Carry_Okie

In my childhood I cam remember the adults saying

... the G@ddamned Jesuits....

They have been hated for many many years.


17 posted on 04/23/2025 10:52:39 AM PDT by Chickensoup
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To: ebb tide

The Pope destroyed the church just like Roberts is destroying the US judiciary.


18 posted on 04/23/2025 10:58:42 AM PDT by falcon99 ( )
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To: dfwgator

“ The Vatican has its own “Deep State”.

So true, and they all live like some type of royalty. The great question is, “Whom do they really serve?”


19 posted on 04/23/2025 11:03:08 AM PDT by Rlsau1
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To: Chickensoup

If you’ve ever seen the movie, “The President’s Analyst,” you’ll remember the Russian spy upon occasion, blurting the complaint, “Bureaucrats!!!”


20 posted on 04/23/2025 11:06:56 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The tree of liberty needs a rope.)
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