Posted on 12/17/2024 1:56:38 PM PST by ebb tide
The Italian daily newspaper Avvenire which belongs to the Italian bishops , a homosexual propaganda publication, has characterized the ideas of Martin Luther as a "foreshadowing" of Francis' 2016 "Amoris Laetitia".
As a matter of fact, Luther defended polygamy. The December 13 article is written by a certain Luciano Moia. He recalls the 500 anniversary in 2025 of the marriage between the Augustinian monk Luther and Katharina von Bora, a former nun.
Moia bases his article on a certain Don Francesco Pesce, a professor of pastoral theology and director of the Family Center in Treviso, who wrote: "The post-synodal apostolic exhortation Amoris laetitia presents numerous elements that seem to open up the possibility of structuring a dialogue with what emerged on marriage by and for Luther".
Moia and Pesce argue that both, Luther and Amoris Laetitia refer to a "gradualness of marriage" and say that there are limits, imperfections and sins present in a marriage.
Stefano Fontana responds on LaNuovaBq.it: "Marriage cannot be 'gradual', marriage is not a process. It is a reality. The two are one flesh in a definitive way and not dependent on their existential development."
And, "Moia and Pesce are right to say that the gradualness of marriage is present in both Luther and Amoris laetitia, but this is a major problem."
In Moia's article, marriage is rethought as an "ideal" rather than as a reality that constitutes the spouses as such: "In the face of marriage as an ideal, sin [adultery] changes its meaning and becomes a weakness experienced along the way."
Stefano Fontana: "We are in the presence of a revolution in sacramental and moral theology, which is also contained in Amoris laetitia."
Ping
The Church got it right when it identified books inspired by the Holy Spirit and those not. I’ll take the teaching & preaching of the authors of the NT over any contradictory ‘contemporary’ teacher or teaching.
“Luther defended polygamy”
Was that one of the 95 theses?
It’s funny how as one goes along the ‘teachings’ of certain ones look less and less like the teachings of Jesus and what the apostles followed and died for.
It’s more slander against the person living in Catholics minds. ML merely pointed out is was practiced in OT times but did not think it was appropriate for modern day Germany. God never approved of polygamy but knew David and Solomon were going to do it anyway. God allowed it but never approved of it.
Further proof the Bergoglio isn’t the Pope.
Apparently he isn’t even Catholic.
Possibly not Christian, either.
Martin Luther was the total opposite of Francis. He was leading the church back to the faith as it was in the beginning, and Francis is taking it to an uncertain and dangerous future.
Maybe in your dreams:
In Show Of Unity, Pope Francis Marks 500th Anniversary Of Protestant Reformation
Stick with the problems in your own church, ebb tide. From bias and lack of knowledge, you have mischaracterized Luther.
One can’t separate Bergoglio from Luther.
They are both “problems”.
ebb tide (I don’t engage with habitual liars.)
Then how do you live with yourself?
We disagree.
One: I’m not a liar
Two: I don’t talk to my self.
As do Prots and Catholics.
Nothing new.
Luther: "My faithful warning and advice is that no man, Christians in particular, should have more than one wife, not only for the reason that offense would be given, and Christians must not needlessly give, but most diligently avoid giving, offense, but also for the reason that we have no word of God regarding this matter on which we might base a belief that such action would be well-pleasing to God and to Christians. . . . a Christian . . . must have, in addition, a divine word that makes him sure, . . . For this reason I cannot advise for, but must advise against, your intention, particularly since you are a Christian, unless there were an extreme necessity, as, for instance, if the wife were leprous or the husband were deprived of her for some other reason."
I find Luther in error in the middle of the three bold-faced portions of his quote, given that 1 Corinthians 7:2-4 has: But because of the temptation to immorality, each man should have his own wife and each woman her own husband. [3] The husband should give to his wife her conjugal rights, and likewise the wife to her husband. [4] For the wife does not rule over her own body, but the husband does; likewise the husband does not rule over his own body, but the wife does.. That to me sounds like a no-more-than-one-spouse teaching. Then of course there's 1 Timothy 3:2 (but one could say that rule was specifically for deacons/leaders, not average Joe Christians).
So I'll cut Luther some slack on forgetting this one thing in Scripture (monogamy) while teaching against polygamy, all while teaching the main point, which is: trust Scripture over anything anyone says.
Luther was leading souls out of the True Church, just like Francis is.
Will you publicly renounce the wearing of the scapular that's around your neck and say you've tossed it in the trash and will never wear another idolatrous thing like that again?
ebb calls multiple people “father”, while falsely claiming that Luther said to call multiple people “wife”.
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