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[Catholic Caucus] Diocesan Latin Masses suppressed in Richmond as Vatican’s two-year indult expires
LIfeSite News ^ | July 16, 2024 | Emily Mangiaracina

Posted on 07/17/2024 7:59:39 AM PDT by ebb tide

[Catholic Caucus] Diocesan Latin Masses suppressed in Richmond as Vatican’s two-year indult expires

Traditional Latin Masses in three diocesan churches have come to a halt as Traditionis Custodes comes into full force in the Diocese of Richmond, Virginia.

All diocesan Traditional Latin Masses have been suppressed in the Diocese of Richmond, Virginia due to the Vatican’s restrictions per Traditionis Custodes after the expiration of a two-year indult from Rome.

The Latin Mass Directory website announced that as of July 5, the diocese implemented Pope Francis’ motu proprio Traditionis Custodes, according to which bishops are not to allow Traditional Latin Masses (TLM) in “parochial churches.” While LifeSiteNews previously reported that the TLM at Holy Comforter Catholic Church in Charlottesville would end, the more recent announcement clarifies that two other TLMs at St. Joseph in Petersburg and All Saints in Floyd have also ceased.

Bishop Barry Knestout had declared in a June 21 letter to the pastor of Holy Comforter Catholic Church that he wished to renew a request for a dispensation for the TLM but was unsure if this request would be granted. The bishop also expressed his “confidence” that the pastor would lead the faithful toward the Novus Ordo as “the unique expression of the lex orandi of the Roman Rite,” citing Traditionis Custodes.

In a comment on a Facebook post announcing the suppression of the diocese’s TLMs, Ron Simeone remarked, “This incredible, diabolical cruelty is an insult to our Lord,” adding, “How much longer O God of the Universe must your Church suffer?”

The suppression of Traditional Latin Masses in the Diocese of Richmond comes amid reports that the Vatican is considering a more universal suppression of the Traditional Mass. According to “well-informed sources,” if published, the document would ban the offering of the TLM by all priests except those belonging to “approved ex-Ecclesia Dei institutes,” including the Priestly Fraternity of Saint Peter (FSSP) and the Institute of Christ the King Sovereign Priest (ICKSP).

Vatican journalist Diane Montagna confirmed that a document further restricting the Traditional Latin Mass, backed by Vatican Secretary of State Cardinal Pietro Parolin, has been “presented to Pope Francis.”

The Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter and the Society of St. Pius X both continue to offer the Traditional Latin Mass within the Diocese of Richmond, with their locations flagged on a map provided by the Mass of the Ages website. A TLM continues to be offered by the FSSP at St. Joseph’s in Richmond and St. Benedict’s in Chesapeake, and TLMs are offered by the SSPX at the St. Thomas Aquinas Seminary in Dillwyn as well as Our Lady of Fatima Chapel in Richmond and Immaculate Conception Mission in Virginia Beach.

These groups and other Latin Mass Catholics were targeted by the FBI in their infamous “Richmond memo,” which claimed that so-called “Radical Traditionalist Catholic Ideology” is a magnet for “violent extremists.”

The document identified “Radical Traditional Catholics” as typically rejecting Vatican II as a “valid council,” and often holding “anti-Semitic, anti-immigrant, anti-LGBTQ, and white supremacist ideology.” Its mention of “anti-LGBTQ” beliefs appears to vilify the vast majority of traditional Catholics as well as the majority of conservative Christians, since the biblical belief that marriage only exists between a man and a woman is interpreted by “LGBTQ” advocates to be “anti-LGBTQ.”

Despite the FBI’s retraction of the memo after intense backlash over its contents, former FBI agent turned whistleblower Kyle Seraphin said the memo was still being internally circulated last year.

Liturgical scholar Dr. Peter Kwasniewski has written that priests must resist Traditionis Custodes and its accompanying Responsa ad dubia “regardless of threats or penalties,” since obedience to these documents would undermine the very mission of the holy Catholic Church.

‘The traditional Mass belongs to the most intimate part of the common good in the Church. Restricting it, pushing it into ghettos, and ultimately planning its demise can have no legitimacy. This law is not a law of the Church because, as St. Thomas (Aquinas) says, a law against the common good is no valid law,’” he said in a speech during the 2021 Catholic Identity Conference. 

The suppression of the Latin Mass at All Saints in Floyd is a particularly heavy blow to Latin Mass attendees in Virginia because it is the only TLM that has been offered in the southwestern part of the state, now leaving a large swath of the region deprived of the Latin Mass.


TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; Theology; Worship
KEYWORDS: apostatepope; dictatorpope; frankenchurch; tlm

1 posted on 07/17/2024 7:59:39 AM PDT by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide
Ping

Liturgical scholar Dr. Peter Kwasniewski has written that priests must resist Traditionis Custodes and its accompanying Responsa ad dubia “regardless of threats or penalties,” since obedience to these documents would undermine the very mission of the holy Catholic Church.

‘The traditional Mass belongs to the most intimate part of the common good in the Church. Restricting it, pushing it into ghettos, and ultimately planning its demise can have no legitimacy. This law is not a law of the Church because, as St. Thomas (Aquinas) says, a law against the common good is no valid law,’” he said in a speech during the 2021 Catholic Identity Conference. 

2 posted on 07/17/2024 8:01:11 AM PDT by ebb tide ("The Spirit of Vatican II" is nothing more than a wicked "idealogy" of the modernists.)
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To: ebb tide

Bishop Knestout is part of the McCarrick/Wuerl cabal from the Archdiocese of Washington.

I’m not surprised by this.


3 posted on 07/17/2024 8:06:27 AM PDT by NorthMountain (... the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: NorthMountain

Oddly enough, this process is likely to work out better in the long run. A scenario where the Novus Ordo and the TLM are offered in the same diocesan parish was ultimately untenable. At its core, it’s like having a Protestant service and a Catholic Mass in the same building at different times of the day.


4 posted on 07/17/2024 8:09:30 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (“Ain't it funny how the night moves … when you just don't seem to have as much to lose.”)
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To: ebb tide
The document identified “Radical Traditional Catholics” as typically rejecting Vatican II as a “valid council,”

No one ever cites an anathema or even a "Thou shalt not" from the Council. There are none. It is a pastoral council. It was not binding at all on the Eastern Church. Anything in it has to be looked at in the light of Tradition, including truly doctrinal councils like Trent.

People were not talking about implementing Vatican I 60 years after the Council was suspended. Vatican II explicitly addresses the contemporary situation, a world with a USSR, different communications, and without seeing the results of "What would happen if we ..."

The world now is completely different, and as Vatican II was never particularly authoritative (outside of its reiteration of constant Church teaching), but it is no longer particularly relevant.
5 posted on 07/17/2024 8:12:21 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana ("Whatsoever he shall say to you, do ye." (John 2:5))
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To: Alberta's Child

I don’t agree. I think the Latin Mass should be made as widely and easily available as possible. I think every parish should be REQUIRED to offer at minimum one Latin Mass every Sunday, and that all seminarians preparing for the Priesthood should be taught to offer it. Let the Novus Ordo be “optional”.

Please don’t report me to the feebs for being a radical ...

;’}


6 posted on 07/17/2024 8:15:01 AM PDT by NorthMountain (... the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: NorthMountain
There's nothing radical about the TLM, so don't worry about that. LOL.

I've attended the Tridentine Mass at a "mixed" parish where the Novus Ordo and the TLM were both offered. What was obvious to me at the time (20+ years ago), and what has become more apparent since Vatican II even up to the highest levels of the Catholic hierarchy, is that the people attending the Novus Ordo and those attending the TLM aren't adherents of the same religion.

7 posted on 07/17/2024 8:18:29 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (“Ain't it funny how the night moves … when you just don't seem to have as much to lose.”)
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To: Alberta's Child

Reasonable men may at times disagree.


8 posted on 07/17/2024 8:22:43 AM PDT by NorthMountain (... the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: Alberta's Child

I’m not a canon lawyer, but shouldn’t the concept of an indult being necessary to celebrate a rite of immemorial antiquity be challenged? Would we be expected to obey if making the sign of the cross or reciting the Pater Noster were restricted by indult? The only possible argument for suppressing the TLM is that its theology is defective. Let Francis and his creatures make that argument, if they dare, even as they tolerate isolated instances of the TLM in Ecclesia Dei institutes.


9 posted on 07/17/2024 8:29:23 AM PDT by Romulus
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To: Romulus
The only possible argument for suppressing the TLM is that its theology is defective.

That would be a reasonable argument for suppressing the "novus ordo" ...

10 posted on 07/17/2024 8:30:43 AM PDT by NorthMountain (... the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: Romulus
That's all fine, and I wouldn't object to that approach.

My point is that a scenario is unfolding in the Catholic Church where the line between the Novus Ordo and the TLM is getting more clearly established. And I've contended for years that only one of them will endure in the long run.

I don't make bets on this sort of thing, but I can see with my own eyes what is happening here. I think your characterization of the "isolated instances of the TLM in Ecclesia Dei institutes" is not universally applicable. In my own diocese, the registered membership in the TLM apostolate has grown by about 50% just in the last 4-5 years ... while the diocese continues to close parishes and schools. It doesn't take a genius to see how this is all going to unfold.

By their fruits ye shall know them. (Matthew 7:20)

11 posted on 07/17/2024 8:36:44 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (“Ain't it funny how the night moves … when you just don't seem to have as much to lose.”)
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To: Alberta's Child

Please don’t misunderstand me. I attend a diocesan TLM that’s flourishing and cranking out growing families and vocations. I merely refer to something widely expected, that soon only the ED parishes will be allowed. I’m not making a prediction of any sort; I take it day to day, trying to be prepared for anything. I honestly don’t have a theory how this is going to go.


12 posted on 07/17/2024 9:52:23 AM PDT by Romulus
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To: Romulus
The only possible argument for suppressing the TLM is that its theology is defective.

They have essentially already made that claim, with no evidence to support it however.

Art. 1. The liturgical books promulgated by Saint Paul VI and Saint John Paul II, in conformity with the decrees of Vatican Council II, are the unique expression of the lex orandi of the Roman Rite.

13 posted on 07/17/2024 10:07:38 AM PDT by ebb tide ("The Spirit of Vatican II" is nothing more than a wicked "idealogy" of the modernists.)
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To: Romulus
Lex orandi, lex credendi, lex vivendi” is an old Latin saying that directly means, “The law of prayer leads to the law of belief leads to the law of living,” but the spirit of the phrase means, “How we worship directly affects what we believe, which then affects how we live.”
14 posted on 07/17/2024 10:17:55 AM PDT by ebb tide ("The Spirit of Vatican II" is nothing more than a wicked "idealogy" of the modernists.)
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To: ebb tide

Since I’m writing a thesis on just that topic, I’m well aware of Prosper’s dictum and its dogmatic weight.


15 posted on 07/17/2024 10:21:17 AM PDT by Romulus
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To: Dr. Sivana
It was not binding at all on the Eastern Church.

Great point. I never made that connection. That point alone clearly takes it out of the bounds of "infallible."

16 posted on 07/17/2024 1:05:55 PM PDT by scouter (As for me and my household... We will serve the LORD.)
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