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Question: Was there an oath in a former version of the Mormon temple endowment that required vengeance upon the government of the United States?
Fair latter day saints ^

Posted on 06/08/2024 10:48:10 PM PDT by Cronos

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To: Elsie

lol

Well played

;D


21 posted on 06/09/2024 8:00:13 AM PDT by Salamander (Please visit my profile page help save my beloved dog's life. https://www.givesendgo.com/G2FU)
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To: Nervous Tick
"Yes, all the “other” “religions” share doctrines, and other aspects of appearance.

No they don't.

There are commonalities among all the religions of middle eastern/southwest Asian origin, but those bear scant resemblance to Shinto, Confucianism, Jainism, Sikhism, Santería, the Druids, the Mayans, and a host of others.

22 posted on 06/09/2024 8:06:51 AM PDT by Paal Gulli
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To: Cronos

After the Mountain Meadows Massacre of immigrants going to California and attacks on the Shepherd and Miltmore wagon trains the US Army invaded “ZION.”
Later, during the wars between the US Army and Navajos it was found the mormons were supplying guns and ammo to the Navajos and urging them to attack Union forts in the area. During the Civil War, this lead to the capture of the Navajos and removal to Ft Sumner NM (The Long Walk) which the tribes still cry about today. It was more like a “Long Stroll” when compared to the Trail of Tears.


23 posted on 06/09/2024 8:08:28 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar ( Government is not reason, it is not eloquence-it is force!--G. Washington)
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To: Elsie
Do not play full court basketball.

Is half court ok?

24 posted on 06/09/2024 11:21:16 AM PDT by ealgeone
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To: dljordan
1884 August 10 – A home being used as a meetinghouse in Lewis County, Tennessee was attacked by ten to twelve masked men, who shot and killed four Church members in cold blood. The event is known today as Tennessee's Mormon Massacre.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_attacks_against_Latter-day_Saint_churches

25 posted on 06/09/2024 1:25:31 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ealgeone

Well, THIS is found in their scriptures...

All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient:
all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not.

But, as you have already noticed, Headquarters wants to put it’s brand of control on folks.


26 posted on 06/09/2024 1:30:58 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

I didn’t think I was that far South.


27 posted on 06/09/2024 1:31:44 PM PDT by dljordan (What would Michael Collins do?)
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To: doorgunner69

That would be Elsie


28 posted on 06/09/2024 1:44:41 PM PDT by Cronos (I identify as an ambulance, my pronounces are wee/woo)
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To: Cronos

29 posted on 06/09/2024 8:57:48 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

Weird?

Well, I’m a charter member of the FR Flying Inmans!

https://freerepublic.com/~delacoert/#Flying%20Inmans


30 posted on 06/09/2024 9:10:24 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

Psalm 121:4 niv

indeed, he who watches over Israel
will neither slumber nor sleep.


31 posted on 06/09/2024 9:11:48 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: doorgunner69

Regarding Mormons as individuals I have zero opinion as I don’t know any Mormons personally.

Regarding Romney - when he was the final GoP candidate vs BO, I supported him. I wasn’t a big fan of his candidacy, but neither was I strongly against him.

As to Mormonism, I dislike it as an amateur historian firstly - the idea of stating that semitic people moved to the Americas without leaving any archaeological, linguistic, genetic or historical/lore trace is just stupid imho.

and I find it incredible that J Smith just took on Mohammed’s idea + some other bits and bobs and made a religion to keep himself wealthy and with lots of wives. Just like JK Rowling took 19th century British schoolyard books and put a thin veneer of magic around it and badabing, a best selling series.


32 posted on 06/10/2024 3:21:39 AM PDT by Cronos (I identify as an ambulance, my pronounces are wee/woo)
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To: Cronos
...and I find it incredible that J Smith just took on Mohammed’s idea ...


Most Mormons do NOT know this!!


"I Will Be a Second Mohammed"

In the heat of the Missouri 'Mormon War' of 1838, Joseph Smith made the following claim,

           "I will be to this generation a second Mohammed, whose motto in treating for peace was "the Alcoran [Koran] or the Sword". So shall it eventually be with us: "Joseph Smith or the Sword!" [1]

It is most interesting that a self-proclaimed Christian prophet would liken himself to Mohammed, the founder of Islam. His own comparison invites us to take a closer look as well. And when we do, we find some striking and troubling parallels. Consider the following.

  • Mohammed and Joseph Smith both had humble beginnings. Neither had formal religious connections or upbringing, and both were relatively uneducated. Both founded new religions by creating their own scriptures. In fact, followers of both prophets claim these scriptures are miracles since their authors were the most simple and uneducated of men.[2]

  • Both prophets claim of having angel visitations, and of receiving divine revelation to restore pure religion to the earth again. Mohammed was told that both Jews and Christians had long since corrupted their scriptures and religion. In like manner, Joseph Smith was told that all of Christianity had become corrupt, and that consequently the Bible itself was no longer reliable. In both cases, this corruption required a complete restoration of both scripture and religion. Nothing which preceded either prophet could be relied upon any longer. Both prophets claim they were used of God to restore eternal truths which once existed on earth, but had been lost due to human corruption.

  • Both prophets created new scripture which borrowed heavily from the Bible, but with a substantially new spin.   In his Koran, Mohammed appropriates a number of Biblical themes and characters, but he changes the complete sense of many passages, claiming to 'correct' the Bible. In so doing he changes many doctrines, introducing his own in their place. In like manner, Joseph Smith created the Book of Mormon, much of which is plagiarized directly from the King James Bible. Interestingly, the Book of Mormon claims that this same Bible has been substantially corrupted and is therefore unreliable. In addition, Joseph Smith went so far as to actually create his own version of the Bible itself, the 'Inspired Version'  in which he both adds and deletes significant portions of text, claiming he is 'correcting' it. In so doing he also changes many doctrines, introducing his own in their place.

  • As a part of their new scriptural 'spin', both prophets saw themselves as prophesied in scripture, and both saw themselves as a continuation of a long line of Biblical prophets. Mohammed saw himself as a continuation of the ministry of Moses and Jesus. Joseph Smith saw himself as a successor to Enoch, Melchizedek, Joseph and Moses. Joseph Smith actually wrote himself into his own version of the Bible by name.

  • Both prophets held up their own scripture as superior to the Bible. Mohammed claimed that the Koran was a perfect copy of the original which was in heaven. The Koran is therefore held to be absolutely perfect, far superior to the Bible and superceding it. In like manner, Joseph Smith also made the following claim. "I told the Brethren that the Book of Mormon was the most correct of any book on earth, and the keystone of our religion, and a man would get nearer to God by abiding its precepts, than by any other book." [3]

  • Despite their claim that the Bible was corrupt, both prophets admonished their followers to adhere to its teachings. An obvious contradiction, this led to selective acceptance of some portions and wholesale rejection of others. As a result, the Bible is accepted by both groups of followers only to the extent that it agrees with their prophet's own superior revelation.

  • Both Mohammed and Joseph Smith taught that true salvation was to be found only in their respective religions. Those who would not accept their message were considered 'infidels', pagans or Gentiles. In so doing, both prophets became the enemy of genuine Christianity, and have led many people away from the Christ of the Bible.

  • Both prophets encountered fierce opposition to their new religions and had to flee from town to town because of threats on their lives. Both retaliated to this opposition by forming their own militias. Both ultimately set up their own towns as model societies.

  • Both Mohammed and Joseph Smith left unclear instructions about their successors. The majority of Mohammed's followers, Sunni Muslims, believe they were to elect their new leader, whereas the minority, Shiite Muslims, look to Ali ibn Abi lib, whom they consider Divinely appointed, as the rightful successor to Muhammad, and the first imam. (Ali was the cousin and son-in-law of the Islamic prophet Muhammad). Similarly, the majority of Joseph Smith's followers, Mormons, believed their next prophet should have been the existing leader of their quorum of twelve apostles, whereas the minority, RLDS, believed Joseph Smith's own son should have been their next prophet. Differences on this issue, and many others, have created substantial tension between these rival groups of each prophet.

  • Mohammed taught that Jesus was just another of a long line of human prophets, of which he was the last. He taught that he was superior to Christ and superceded Him. In comparison, Joseph Smith also made the following claim.

"I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. A large majority of the whole have stood by me. Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I. The followers of Jesus ran away from Him, but the Latter-day Saints never ran away from me yet." [4] In light of these parallels, perhaps Joseph Smith's claim to be a second Mohammed unwittingly became his most genuine prophecy of all.


[1] Joseph Smith made this statement at the conclusion of a speech in the public square at Far West, Missouri on October 14, 1838. This particular quote is documented in Fawn M. Brodie, No Man Knows My History, second edition, (New York: Alfred A. Knopf, 1971), p. 230-231. Fawn Brodie's footnote regarding this speech contains valuable information, and follows. except where noted, all the details of this chapter [16] are taken from the History of the [Mormon] Church. This speech, however, was not recorded there, and the report given here is based upon the accounts of seven men. See the affidavits of T.B. Marsh, Orson Hyde, George M. Hinkle, John Corrill, W.W. Phelps, Samson Avard, and Reed Peck in Correspondence, Orders, etc., pp. 57-59, 97-129. The Marsh and Hyde account, which was made on October 24, is particularly important. Part of it was reproduced in History of the [Mormon] Church, Vol. III, p. 167. See also the Peck manuscript, p. 80. Joseph himself barely mentioned the speech in his history; see Vol. III, p. 162.

[2] John Ankerberg & John Weldon, The Facts on Islam, (Eugene, OR: Harvest House Publishers, 1998), pp.8-9. Eric Johnson, Joseph Smith & Muhammed, (El Cajon, CA: Mormonism Research Ministry, 1998), pp. 6-7.

[3] Documentary History of the [Mormon] Church, vol.4, pp.461.

[4] Documentary History of the [Mormon] Church, vol.6, pp.408-409.


33 posted on 06/10/2024 5:16:50 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

Both Mohammed and Joseph Smith taught that true salvation was to be found only in their respective religions....

.....

And yet we don’t have a Mohammed calendar or a Joseph Smith calendar that change times and laws like the Harlot daughter’s Mother does through their Antichrist..


34 posted on 06/10/2024 9:47:07 AM PDT by delchiante
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To: doorgunner69

“that really had a hard one for the Mormons back when Romney was running…”

Don’t spend too much time thinking about polygamy. It rots your brain.


35 posted on 06/12/2024 6:26:03 PM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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