Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Are You Running In The Wrong Direction With Bible Prophecy?
Harbingers Daily ^ | 5/31/24 | Jonathan Brentner

Posted on 05/31/2024 2:40:28 PM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal

On October 25, 1964, Minnesota Vikings’ star defensive end Jim Marshall recovered a fumbled football, but then ran sixty-six yards the wrong way ending up in his own end zone. Thinking he had scored a touchdown, he spiked the ball, which sailed out of bounds resulting in a safety and two points for the opposing team. Despite Marshall’s error, the Vikings defeated the San Francisco Forty-Niners that day, 27-22.

This same type of disorientation affects many teachers of Bible prophecy, too. They become disorientated and confuse the comings and goings of Scripture. They end up running the wrong way.

For example, adherents of Replacement Theology claim that God rejected Israel after Jesus’ crucifixion. As a result, they teach that Ezekiel 36:22-38 refers to the church rather than the Jewish people. They regard the references to cleansing from sin, a new heart, and the indwelling of the Holy Spirit as proof positive that these verses refer to New Testament saints.

With the use of symbolism, they allegorize the other specifics of this passage in order to make them fit with their predisposed understanding of the text.

What does this have to do with sound biblical sense of direction? Notice the words of verse 24: “I will take you from the nations and gather you from all the countries and bring you into your own land.” (emphasis added)

In Ezekiel 36, along with several other passages regarding the regathering of Israel back to their Land, the Lord promises to bring His people back from the ends of the earth to the Land He promised to the Patriarchs.

Jesus, on the other hand, commissioned His followers to go out to the nations of the world (Matthew 25:19-20; Acts 1:8).

How can a passage that’s based on the Lord bringing His people back to the Land fit the church and that of Jesus’ sending His followers from Israel out to nations? It cannot. It’s like attempting to fit a round peg in a square hole.

Although many additional reasons exist as to why Ezekiel 36:22-38 can’t possibly refer to the church, a key argument for rejecting the Replacement Theology interpretation is that it confuses the comings and goings of God’s people.

With Israel, God brings His people back to the land of Israel from the ends of the earth. Jesus, however, sends His church out to the ends of the earth.

Jesus Will Receive The Kingdom At His Return To Earth The current confusion regarding the comings and goings of Bible prophecy reminded me of a sermon I once heard in which the pastor, who adhered to a variant form of Replacement Theology, also sprinted the wrong way with his understanding of Scripture.

While preaching on Acts 1:6-11, he said that Jesus received His rule over the nations of the earth at His ascension, at His going. He based his conclusion on Daniel 7:13-14 and 26-27, which he said reached fulfillment when Jesus left the earth amid the clouds as His disciples watched Him disappear. He compounded his serious misunderstanding of Scripture by reading from Revelation 5, which he then said referred to Jesus’ arrival in Heaven after His ascension. Hmmm.

Notice, however, what the Lord Himself said about the fulfillment of these verses from Daniel 7: “Jesus said to him, ‘You have said so. But I tell you, from now on you will see the Son of Man seated at the right hand of Power and coming on the clouds of heaven.'” (emphasis added)

Do you see it? It’s a common mistake among those who teach that God has rejected Israel.

Jesus placed His reception of the earthly kingdom, the fulfillment of Daniel 7:13-14 and 26-27, at His coming rather than at His going. Before the Sanhedrin and high priest of the day, Jesus boldly claimed that He was the “Son of man” about whom Daniel wrote about in chapter 7 and placed the fulfillment of this prophecy at His return to the earth, at His “coming on the clouds of heaven.”

Those who claim that Jesus fulfilled the words of Daniel 7:13-14 at Jesus’ ascension into the clouds err in no small way. They contradict what Jesus said about these verses as they dash in the wrong direction.

The Comings And Goings Of The Rapture Versus The Second Coming Many of those who teach that there’s no Tribulation period and thousand-year reign of Jesus also say there’s no such thing as the Rapture. Some in this crowd, however, still believe that we will meet Jesus in the air in the future. But they equate this event with the Second Coming.

Such an interpretation of our “blessed hope” is impossible for a great many reasons. For one, the resurrection of the “dead in Christ” happens first, immediately, at Jesus’ appearing for His Church (1 Thessalonians 4:16) whereas at His Second Coming, the Lord raises the tribulation saints last in a sequence of several other events; it might not even occur until many days after His return to the earth (Revelation 19:11-20:4).

But there’s also the matter of the comings and goings.

With the Rapture, we go up to meet Jesus in the air after which He takes us to His Father’s house in Heaven (1 Thessalonians 4:17; John 14:2-3). Colossians 3:4 says that when Jesus appears, we “also will appear with him in glory.” Our destination at the time of the Rapture is “glory,” which is most definitely not a place on the earth.

An early church bishop named Cyprian (AD 200-258) wrote about the event we now refer to as the Rapture. In his book, Treatises of Cyprian, he referred to “an early departure” of the church by which believers would be “taken away” before a time of “shipwrecks and disasters” on the earth. He continued with these words: “Let us greet the day which assigns each of us to his own home, which snatches us hence, and sets us free from the snares of the world and restores us to paradise and the kingdom.”

Cyprian viewed the Lord’s return for His church as a “departure,” at which time He “snatches us” away from the earth and takes us to “paradise” before a time of trouble on the earth.

Jesus made it clear that at His appearing, we go to where He is, to His “Father’s house” (John 14:2-3). We go from the earth to Heaven.

However, at His Second Coming, we return with our Lord back to the earth (Revelation 19:11-20:4). The direction is from Heaven to Earth.

It’s an important distinction that along with many other considerations, make it impossible to equate the Rapture with the Second Coming.

Those that adhere to a form of Replacement Theology mistakenly claim that:

God’s promise of regathering the people of Israel from the ends of the earth actually refers to the church and thus also to Jesus’ sending His followers out from the Land to the ends of the earth to preach the Gospel. Jesus received His earthly kingdom when He ascended to Heaven despite the Lord’s claim that this will happen when He comes back to the earth. The Rapture is really the Second Coming when believers stay on the earth rather than when we meet Jesus in the air and He then takes us to His “Father’s house” in Heaven. Back in the day, I recall seeing video clips of Jim Marshall running the wrong way after picking up a fumbled football. Today, I watch as those who reject a future restoration of a kingdom to Israel spike the football believing they have scored a great victory. Sadly, they don’t realize they have raced against the flow of God’s Word and their celebrations will be short-lived.

With Bible prophecy, it’s necessary to distinguish between the comings and goings if one is to qualify, in the words of 2 Timothy 2:15, as “rightly dividing the word of truth.” Words matter if we are to avoid running the wrong way when it comes to Bible prophecy (see Proverbs 30:5).


TOPICS: Current Events; General Discusssion; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: bibleprophecy; endtimes; lastdays; tribulation

1 posted on 05/31/2024 2:40:28 PM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: Roman_War_Criminal; telescope115; Halls; Mrs.Z; ConjunctionJunction; Library Lady; patriot torch; ..

End Times Ping

Please FReemail me if you wish to be added to or removed from The End Times Ping List.

Maranatha!


2 posted on 05/31/2024 2:41:06 PM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal (Jesus + Something = Nothing ; Jesus + Nothing = Everything )
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Roman_War_Criminal

My Left Behind itches.


3 posted on 05/31/2024 3:02:35 PM PDT by Gman
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Roman_War_Criminal

Thanks for posting that. I have been saying, and believing, the things the article concludes, but without the documentation and clear analysis,


4 posted on 05/31/2024 3:07:45 PM PDT by Cincinnatus.45-70 (What do DemocRats enjoy more than a truckload of dead babies? Unloading them with a pitchfork!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Roman_War_Criminal

I believe Dispensationalists are. Do you know any?


5 posted on 05/31/2024 3:17:22 PM PDT by Philsworld (It's all short quips and funny memes, until you find that you've come up short in the judgment. )
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Roman_War_Criminal
I'm just curious where in the Bible it says it is for prophecy. Why are so many Bibles today printed without Matthew 24:43, 1 Thessalonians 5:2-4, 2 Peter 3:10, Revelation 16:15?
6 posted on 05/31/2024 3:40:07 PM PDT by nickcarraway
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Roman_War_Criminal; null and void; Texas Fossil

Back in the day, I recall seeing video clips of Jim Marshall running the wrong way after picking up a fumbled football. Today...

Marshall Runs 3 Minute Mile:

Down -to-earth:

Visiting Marshall

NASA's Marshall Space Flight Center is situated on the U.S. Army's Redstone Arsenal in Huntsville, Alabama. Visitors are welcomed at the U.S. Space & Rocket Center, Marshall's official Visitor Center. U.S. Space & Rocket Center visitors can learn more about Marshall's legacy and ongoing work.

Interactive exhibits and historic artifacts demonstrate our critical role in supporting the breadth of NASA's exploration and science missions. Visitors will learn how Marshall develops, integrates and manages complex space systems and scientific research projects that continue to yield exciting and innovative scientific discoveries.

https://www.nasa.gov/marshall/visit-marshall-space-flight-center/

U.S. Space & Rocket Center visitors can learn more about Marshall's legacy and ongoing work:

 

With Bible prophecy, it's necessary to distinguish between the comings and goings if one is to qualify, in the words of 2 Timothy 2:15, as "rightly dividing the word of truth."

"Your surprise is waiting."

Product Placement

Product placement, also known as embedded marketing,[1][2][3][4] is a marketing technique where references to specific brands or products are incorporated into another work, such as a film or television program, with specific promotional intent.

>>>
Cross-promotion
Larger, vertically integrated conglomerates may include placements of their own products and services in works as a form of corporate synergy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Product_placement


7 posted on 05/31/2024 3:46:24 PM PDT by Ezekiel (🆘️ "Come fly with US". 🔴 Ingenuity -- because the Son of David begins with MARS ♂️, aka every man)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Roman_War_Criminal

“...verse 24: “I will take you from the nations and gather you from all the countries and bring you into your own land.” (emphasis added) ...”


Speaking of prophetic misdirection, how do you know that the current disposition of Israel is the final gathering of that nation ?

Christ’s own prophecy was that “not one stone” would remain. Well, the Wailing Wall is still there, which suggests that it is at least possible for a future defeat and total Wailing Wall destruction.


8 posted on 05/31/2024 3:55:29 PM PDT by Reverend Wright ( Everything touched by progressives, dies !)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Reverend Wright; SaveFerris; Roman_War_Criminal

The wailing wall is not part of the old temple.its where the Roman’s had their fort.
See this link: https://popular-archaeology.com/article/wailing-at-the-wrong-wall/

“ Sam’s arguments have been built on the foundations of research by earlier scholars, most notably that of Dr. Ernest L. Martin, whose research and subsequently published book, The Temples that Jerusalem Forgot, also argued that Fortress Antonia actually encompassed the area traditionally ascribed to the Temple Mount and that the temple was more accurately located on the Ophel mound over the area of the Gihon Spring, in the old City of David to the immediate southeast of the traditional Temple Mount precinct.”

That makes more sense as the temple having a natural source of water ties in with the description of The Holy Spirit as living water.
Besides, over the centuries, a lot of sacrifices on the temple grounds would lead to a lot of blood and you just don’t see the bloodstains around the Dome of of the rock area that is currently touted as the temple site.
Butchering a sheep also requires water to clean up and using the spring of Gihon makes more sense than hauling water uphill to a barren spot.
With that, the wailing wall is not part of the second temple and what you see is the final gathering of Israel, never more to be dispersed.


9 posted on 05/31/2024 4:59:35 PM PDT by Redcitizen
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: Roman_War_Criminal

“...the Lord promises to bring His people back from the ends of the earth to the Land He promised to the Patriarchs.”

Yes, but during what is known as the consumation of the ages.

He promises to bring them all back simultaneously with highway coming out of Egypt. Is there a highway being built between Egypt and Israel?


10 posted on 05/31/2024 5:08:43 PM PDT by odawg
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Redcitizen; SaveFerris; Roman_War_Criminal

The Jews go there to pray, so they think it is significant.


11 posted on 05/31/2024 5:12:14 PM PDT by Reverend Wright ( Everything touched by progressives, dies !)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: Roman_War_Criminal

How do the risen look? Can I see my husband again?
Will I be the one he wants to see/be with, or his Mother, or someone else.
I love my husband so much, so will I have to forget him for Christ?

So many questions, but understanding it all is beyond me.
Guess I’ll understand when it comes, maybe!

Everything here has a beginning and ending like in a box.
So hard to imagine there is no ending to the universe.


12 posted on 05/31/2024 5:34:54 PM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (Bye done!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: Reverend Wright

That “wailing wall” is actually the western wall of fortress Antonia that Herod the Great built for Caesar to house a Legion of Roman soldiers.
After the total destruction of Jerusalem in 136AD the only thing left standing was fortress Antonia.
The temple was about 600 yards down the hill from the southwest corner of the fortress to the northwest corner of the temple compound.
There was a covered staircase that ran down to the temple from the fortress.
It is mentioned in Acts 21: 27-40 and into CH 22.
Where the temple was is down in the old city of David. The Israeli archaeologists have found evidence of the first temple, down the hill from the old fortress in the city of David, right where it should be.
It was also near the gehon spring, which is the only fresh water source for miles around.


13 posted on 05/31/2024 6:08:22 PM PDT by coincheck (Salvation is for today, not tomorrow, you might not make it that far.....)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: Gman
My Left Behind itches.

Best post of the day! LOL!!

14 posted on 05/31/2024 6:17:23 PM PDT by JesusIsLord
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: Roman_War_Criminal
That is a fascinating approach. I already came to the conclusions he makes, but not by examining the words coming and going. I'm going to save this article for future reference.
15 posted on 06/01/2024 11:45:40 AM PDT by gitmo
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson