Posted on 02/05/2024 4:12:09 PM PST by ebb tide
Fr. James Martin’s pro-LGBT activist group “Outreach” has posted an interview with a Protestant pastor who wrongly claimed the Bible does not condemn homosexual acts.
In the interview, Martin, the editor of Outreach, asked Protestant pro-LGBT pastor Brandan Robertson what his response is “when an LGBT person [sic] or a family member or anybody says ‘doesn’t the Bible condemn homosexuality?’”
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Ironically, Robertson said that the downside of the Protestant schism was that “it gave the Bible to a lot of folks that don’t have the complex training to understand the culture, the context, and language from which the Bible emerges.”
“The Bible is not just a book that anybody can pick up and readily understand; it’s a book that comes from a different world with different perspectives and different cultural norms,” he claimed.
Due to the possibility of people misinterpreting the Bible according to their own wishes and biases, the Catholic Church teaches that the Magisterium is the competent and infallible authority to interpret Sacred Scripture and resolve controversies regarding questions of faith and morals because it was instituted by Jesus Christ Himself.
The Protestant pastor claimed that “the concept of sexual orientation didn’t exist in the ancient world, so it’s impossible for the word homosexuality to actually be a translation of any Greek or Hebrew word.”
Furthermore, he falsely asserted that “when you simply look at the sexual practices of the Greco-Roman world of the first century, for instance, they’re vastly different.”
“It was permitted for any Roman man to sexually engage with anybody of a lower status than themselves, and often that would be exploitative relationships between a man and his slave or a man and somebody from a conquered nation, and my best research over the past decade has led me to believe that what Paul is talking about in Romans 1 and 1 Corinthians and even what Leviticus is talking about are all referring to common pagan practices that revolve around sexual exploitations and abuse, between men usually, and that is nothing like modern, loving [sic] same-sex relationships.”
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“I’d say the Bible doesn’t say anything about LGBT relationships as we know them today, but it does rightly condemn sexual abuse and exploitation, which is something that all of us should be willing to condemn,” Robertson concluded.
Father James Martin called Robertson’s response “a superb two-minute explanation of one of the most commonly asked questions of Christian leaders” and said, “I think we should use that as a two-minute clip from now until the end of time.”
Robertson, who is a well-known “progressive” LGBT-identifying pastor in the social media sphere, states that “his pronouns” are “he/him,” and he has “Queering Christianity” accompanied by an LGBT rainbow flag written in his bio on X, formerly Twitter.
Shortly after the publication of the controversial Vatican declaration Fiducia Supplicans on the “blessings” of same-sex and other irregular “couples,” Fr. Martin performed a highly publicized “blessing” of homosexual, civilly “married” men in his continued push to normalize homosexual acts.
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Contrary to Robertson’s view, which Fr. Martin called “superb,” the Catholic Church teaches that homosexual acts are intrinsically evil and always sinful and that Sacred Scripture condemns them.
The Catechism of the Catholic Church (CCC) explains that “Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex.”
The CCC further states:
Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity, tradition has always declared that ‘homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered.’ They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.
Since homosexual acts are contrary to the natural law, it follows that they are always sinful, and the judgment of their morality is not bound to the sentiment of any particular age, as is often inferred by pro-LGBT Bible “apologists.”
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n a recent video, well-known Catholic theologian and apologist Trent Horn addressed the claim made by Robertson and other heterodox activists that the concept of consensual same-sex relationships was utterly unknown in ancient times and that the Bible, therefore, only condemns men raping other men.
“That’s not true because ancient Mesopotamian texts like the Almanac of Incantations do describe consensual same-sex in the ancient Bronze Age when Leviticus was written,” Horn said.
Furthermore, he explained that the ancient Greek philosopher Plato wrote in his Symposium about women who “do not care for men but have female attachments and of men who exclusively hang about men and embrace them.”
Plato also called homosexual acts “contrary to nature” and said that those who engage in them are “impelled by their slavery to pleasure,” debunking the myth that homosexual acts were universally accepted in Ancient Greek society.
The Roman satirist Juvenal (born in 55 AD) recorded “his contempt for men who ‘married’ other men in Roman wedding ceremonies,” according to Horn, further proving that consensual homosexual relationships were known in ancient times.
In another video addressing the heretical pro-LGBT interpretation of the Bible, Horn refutes some of the common misinterpretations of the verses cited by Robertson.
In Romans 1:26-27, St. Paul writes:
That is why God abandoned them to their shameful passions. Their women exchanged natural intercourse for unnatural practices. Likewise, men gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another. Men committed shameful acts with men and received in their own persons the fitting penalty for their perversion.
Pro-LGBT “apologists” like to claim that St. Paul is mainly condemning the sin of adultery in this passage, i.e., husbands and wives leaving their spouses to have intercourse with another person. Horn refuted this interpretation, saying, “If St. Paul was condemning adultery, then he would talk about the most common kind of adultery for straight married people, that is, engaging in sexual acts with people of the opposite sex whether they are married or unmarried themselves.”
“The point of Romans chapter 1 is that Paul is saying that Gentiles know they have sinned and need redemption in Christ.”
“Even though they never had the Old Testament to teach them, the Gentiles had their consciences, and the natural law to guide them, so Paul picks two obvious examples of immorality that a person should know based on what nature intends and conscience commands. It’s wrong to give worship meant for God to a mere idol [cf. Romans 1:22-23] and it’s wrong to give sexual acts meant for a person of the other sex, to persons of the same sex,” Horn concluded.
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The Jesuit still claims he's a Catholic.
Plenty of Protestant pastors condemn homosexuality.
Problem is, it doesn’t make the news because it can’t be used by Catholics to try to smear Protestants, as if the Catholic church were morally pure itself.
The Catholic church takes the moral high ground in condemning others for what it allows in its own ranks. When they start clearing out all the homosexual priests and child molesting priests and nuns, they they might have cause to point fingers.
Until then “official” position means absolutely nothing when it’s not followed. Actions do speak louder than words.
Ping
Good refuting points.
Yet the prots make the same issue news to smear Catholics.
Hypocrites.
Clean house first before pointing fingers.
Otherwise, Catholics are in no position of accusing others of hypocrisy, being ones themselves for condemning in others what they allow in their own ranks.
Apparently not, for some people.
Nature itself condemns the futility of a man spending his seed where it does not belong, namely where it generates new life.
“Birth control,” masturbation, anal sex, oral sex upon the male; these are all abuses not only of nature but much more.
Obviously there is not one person who has not gone astray in this matter, except the little ones whose lives have been ripped out of creation without due process.
Both have far to many false teachers these days. The problem is people need to first have a personal relation with Christ and take on accountability for knowing the Scripture and understanding God’s word through prayer.
Make no mistake, when the great deception comes Catholics and Protestants alike (the institutions) will eagerly deceive their followers. To much deference has been given to the clergy in both allowing them to be no different than the Bishop in Dante’s Inferno
If you didn’t have the Bible, gathered together by the Catholic Church, what would you have?
As usual, you were the first to point fingers.
Every chance y’all get.
I find that quite common in ex-catholics on this forum.
Well, it’s been a while. Always good to get a fresh voice for the youngsters. If it’s not on Tik Tok or Instagram, or maybe Google maps? they prob never even heard of it.
(I wonder if the Catholic Church has an Instagam account)?
Regardless of whoever points a finger one should first ascertain the veracity of the charge.
Literally the pope has appointed to the role protector of the faith a Cardinal who writes perverse sexual literature and the pope allows blessing those mocking Christ with the sin of homosexuality. Is it not a sin to condone, even if just tacitly, sinful behavior? Yes we are all sinners but we do not have to celebrate it. Don’t you think that is something of an issue?
We would still have the Bible, unless you think somehow God could not have given us the Bible without Catholicism.
Also I find it a bit disingenuous to keep making such claims, the Church is the body of believers, not the institution of Catholicism, or do you believe other wise?
How about we credit the body of Christ as the Church being the believers as Christ said it is.
Why do you think I've been posting these threads?
Do you just pontificate to hear yourself?
There is such a thing as teaching by example.
In this particular case, the example set by the Catholic Church in recent years, and perhaps since St. Peter Damian wrote his work on homosexual clergy preying on boys and men NINE HUNDRED YEARS AGO, certainly does not affirm what you say they teach.
James Martin is not a Catholic. His religion is sodomy.
Do you deny Matt 16:17-19?
Why did Jesus tell Peter (Luke 22:32) that He had prayed for him that his faith not fail him, and that he should convert his brethren (fellow Apostles)?
The entirety of Acts makes clear that, for whatever faults he may have had, Peter was the chosen one.
You can reject Jesus’ authority as He exerted it in Scripture, but that seems contrary to the Spirit.
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