If Modern Israel Is Not Biblical Israel, Then Why Is The God Of The Bible Protecting It?

Harbingers Daily ^ | 11/27/23 | Amir Tsarfati

[Angelino97]

One thing typical nations don't do is get dispersed for 2,000 years...

But religions do get dispersed, yet remain identifiable. Christians, Buddhists, Hindus, Moslems have been dispersed over many nations, yet retain their culture, identities, and beliefs. (Hinduism might even be older than Judaism.)

The Israelite nation has disappeared. What remains is the Jewish religion, held by people who (after centuries of conversions back and forth, intermarriages) don't necessarily have much of a genetic link to the original Israelites.

and then return as an independent nation.

New nations are created all the time. Modern Israel is no more a continuation of ancient Israel than are modern Greece or Egypt a continuations of their ancient namesakes.

[aMorePerfectUnion]

Or another millennium. No one knows except the Father.

Exactly.

[Philsworld]

——>Says the demon-possessed Judaizer - laughable....

FUTURISM comes from the Papacy and the counter reformation. I’ve posted the HISTORICAL documentation and evolution CHAIN OF CUSTODY, between that and the Rapture, at least 50 times over the years. And guess what? Not one SDA in the mix of any of it.

I’ve also posted HISTORICAL documentation showing that LITERALLY EVERY SINGLE PROTESTANT REFORMER, saw in scripture, the Papacy as the Antichrist power/Little Horn, etc... Not just a couple of Reformers, but every single one. And again, not one SDA in the mix of any of it.

What’s laughable is that any human could/would deny such clear HISTORICAL evidence, yet you do.

So, I’m a Judaizer for keeping God’s holy, eternal law, that will be/is the standard of His judgement, which will determine one’s salvation? I’m proud to say that I am.

And, it’s because of people like you, those who despise and rebel against God’s holy law in general, and His holy Sabbath specifically, that the Mark of the Beast will be based. Nothing or no one, in heaven or on earth, will save a person who receives the Mark of the Beast.

Scripture is so clear. But, you refuse to believe.

Matthew 21:43 Therefore I say to you, the kingdom of God will be taken from you and given to a nation bearing the fruits of it.

[vespa300]

exactly....

[Pelham]

“I simply did not grow up with this notion in my 1960s Southern Baptist church”

You needed to be in SoCal where Chuck Smith and Calvary Chapel were taking off. You’d have been saturated with it. Chuck and Hal Lindsey were big factors in popularizing Dispensationalism with its Israel focused End Times eschatology.

Chuck Smith often mentioned his close connection with big players in the Israeli government and military.

Dispensationalism has its own paradigm for interpreting the Bible that has its followers heavily invested in what happens to the modern state of Israel.

[Philsworld]

——>Dispensationalism has its own paradigm for interpreting the Bible that has its followers heavily invested in what happens to the modern state of Israel.

I agree.

[wardaddy]

Why do they do this?

[Pelham]

Pick up a copy of Hal Lindsey’s The Late Great Planet Earth. It will serve as a good introduction to dispensationalism

[af_vet_1981]

Modern Israel is no more a continuation of ancient Israel than are modern Greece or Egypt a continuations of their ancient namesakes.

There is a fatal flaw in this argument: it ignores the LORD’s spoken and written promise.
1. Israel
   
   Jeremiah 31:35-37
   
   King James Version
   
   35 Thus saith the Lord, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The Lord of hosts is his name:
   
   36 If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the Lord, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.
   
   37 Thus saith the Lord; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the Lord.
   
   Jeremiah 33:24-26
   
   King James Version
   
   24 Considerest thou not what this people have spoken, saying, The two families which the Lord hath chosen, he hath even cast them off? thus they have despised my people, that they should be no more a nation before them.
   
   25 Thus saith the Lord; If my covenant be not with day and night, and if I have not appointed the ordinances of heaven and earth;
   
   26 Then will I cast away the seed of Jacob and David my servant, so that I will not take any of his seed to be rulers over the seed of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob: for I will cause their captivity to return, and have mercy on them.
   
   
2. Greece has same (essential) language and Septuagint in Greek with majority of nation being Orthodox Christian.
3. Egypt was conquered by Islam and only has minority Copts, perhaps more than 10%, descended from ancient Egypt but adopted Greek (language of Septuagint); so 10% or more

[Philsworld]

It sounds like you are saying that God’s promises to literal Israel were CONDITIONAL.

[af_vet_1981]

Read the scripture I posted again. Who said it?

[Philsworld]

Of course the Lord said it. That’s already clear. Most FR Christians will say that God’s promises to literal Israel are NOT conditional, no matter what you or I post from scripture to say otherwise. They are in total denial. So, YOU are saying, that the Lord is saying, that His promises to Israel are CONDITIONAL?

[af_vet_1981]

This is important. It is not random.

Matthew 25:

[1] And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.
[2] And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
[3] And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
[4] And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
[5] For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
[6] And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
[7] For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
[8] All these are the beginning of sorrows.
[9] Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
[10] And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
[11] And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
[12] And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
[13] But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
[14] And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
[15] When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
[16] Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
[17] Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
[18] Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
[19] And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
[20] But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
[21] For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
[22] And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
[23] Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
[24] For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
[25] Behold, I have told you before.
[26] Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
[27] For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
[28] For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
[29] Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
[30] And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
[31] And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
[32] Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
[33] So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
[34] Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
[35] Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
[36] But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

[Philsworld]

What are you trying to say? The point?

[af_vet_1981]

What are you trying to say? The point?

Those scriptures are about Israel. Why is it that you cannot understand the point ?
The LORD clearly made the point through Jeremiah and the Gospel. Ask the LORD to help you understand those scriptures. Do not turn to your SDA commentaries.

How very unfortunate if also in you is fulfilled the words written in Matthew 13:14 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:

You will have to understand what you embraced from your faith community is incomplete and incorrect, just as what the Pharisees believed was incomplete and incorrect.

[Philsworld]

——>Those scriptures are about Israel.

No kidding. I already knew that. I asked YOU to summarize the texts for YOUR opinion. MY OPINION is that the Lord is saying that His promises to Israel are CONDITIONAL.

——>Why is it that you cannot understand the point?

What point? You didn’t make one. Now is your chance.

[Philsworld]

——>You will have to understand what you embraced from your faith community is incomplete and incorrect, just as what the Pharisees believed was incomplete and incorrect.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I just don’t happen to agree with yours.

[wardaddy]

Will do

[af_vet_1981]

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I just don’t happen to agree with yours.

Jeremiah 2:1-3
[1] Moreover the word of the LORD came to me, saying,
[2] Go and cry in the ears of Jerusalem, saying, Thus saith the LORD; I remember thee, the kindness of thy youth, the love of thine espousals, when thou wentest after me in the wilderness, in a land that was not sown.
[3]Israel was holiness unto the LORD, and the firstfruits of his increase: all that devour him shall offend; evil shall come upon them, saith the LORD.


Luke 21:
[29] And he spake to them a parable; Behold the fig tree, and all the trees;
[30] When they now shoot forth, ye see and know of your own selves that summer is now nigh at hand.
[31] So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand.
[32] Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled.
[33] Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.
[34] And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares.
[35] For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth.
[36] Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

[Philsworld]

Matthew 21:43Therefore I tell you that the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people who will produce its fruit. 44He who falls on this stone will be broken to pieces, but he on whom it falls will be crushed.