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Open Letter to Francis: Why Are You Destroying the Religion of the Saints?
The Remnant Newspaper ^
| November 1, 2023
| Robert Morrison
Posted on 11/02/2023 1:31:26 PM PDT by ebb tide
Open Letter to Francis: Why Are You Destroying the Religion of the Saints?
Dear Francis,
We write to you as fellow sinners, in great need of God’s mercy. In various ways — especially through your Synod on Synodality and persistent opposition to proselytism — you have asked Catholics to have respect for all baptized Christians and their particular religious beliefs. This openness to the religious beliefs of others encourages us to explain our religion to you.
We are Catholics who believe the same truths, and retain the same religious devotions, that all Catholics enjoyed prior to Vatican II. We often call ourselves Traditional Catholics, while others refer to us as rigid and backward.
As you know, prior to Vatican II many popes warned against Liberalism and Modernism because they sincerely believed that those ideas would harm Catholics. In general, they told us that “if you accept these errors, certain evil results will occur.” At Vatican II, John XXIII opened the door to ideas that had been condemned by his predecessors. Men like Yves Congar, Augustin Bea, and Henri de Lubac stepped in and persuaded the Council Fathers to accept the previously condemned ideas, many of which were disguised with ambiguity. What happened when Catholics accepted the errors the popes had warned about?
How can you be so very sure that God wills every religion in the world other than the Catholicism of your youth?
For over sixty years, we have seen a proliferation of all the evils in the Church about which the pre-Vatican II popes warned. Some people argue that these developments flow not from changes introduced at Vatican II but from broad societal change. This might be persuasive if it were not for the fact that those Catholics who retain the pre-Vatican II beliefs and practices have not experienced the same evils, at least not to the same extent. It is obvious that the pre-Vatican II popes were correct.
Certainly there are many nominal Catholics who want the Church to adopt the ideas that the popes had always condemned because they do not like what the Church has always said about non-Catholic religions and certain moral issues. But nobody is forced to be a Catholic. Those who do not want to accept what the Church has always taught could freely join one of the countless Protestant churches, or even form their own.
Going back to your opposition to proselytism, we can all understand your basic point, even though it conflicts with Our Lord’s call for us to teach the nations (Matthew 28:19-20). If you really believe that it is evil to try to change a single person’s religious beliefs through talking to them about Catholicism, how can you find it permissible to underhandedly change an entire religion from the inside, while telling believers that nothing has changed? Even a pagan or atheist would find such a devious project to be cruel and unjust, and yet is precisely what the innovators have done to Catholics. You also do this.
If we all need to stop eating meat to save the environment (because cow flatulence is so bad), what do they think nuclear bombs will do to the environment? These are the geniuses you would follow instead of the Church’s saints?
And here is another interesting thing about the Vatican II revolution. The ecumenical spirit obviously encourages all Christians to practice their chosen religion without being persecuted by Rome. You, as the man who represents himself to the world as the pope, would never think of condemning Baptists or Methodists, let alone shutting down their churches or persecuting them. Why, then, do you allow those in your hierarchy to do this to those Christians who happen to call themselves Traditional Catholic? Why, indeed, do you do these things to us?
You praised Blaise Pascal earlier this year and so surely you are familiar with his famous wager, in which he demonstrates how foolish it would be to act as though God did not exist. We can apply his same reasoning to the post-Vatican II ecumenism.
Suppose we all have to make a choice: you must either follow what the Church has always taught and be a Catholic, or else you can adopt any Christian set of beliefs (including Catholicism). If it is true that one must follow what the Church has alway taught to be saved, then those who do so will be saved, and those who follow non-Catholic religions will be lost. On the other hand, if all baptized souls can be saved by following any form of Christianity, then all baptized souls are saved regardless of which option they choose. Therefore, the only way you can be lost is by following a non-Catholic religion if, as the Church has always taught, there is no salvation outside the Catholic Church (absent the standard exceptions). Thus, the only logical choice is to follow what the Church has always taught.
We can apply this to you in two ways, both as a fellow sinner trying to make it to heaven, and in your capacity as the bishop dressed in white. As a fellow sinner, why would you bet your eternal salvation on the post-Vatican II ideas that have been so obviously disastrous? While you were in the seminary, you probably heard the grand forecasts that ecumenism would lead to unity and overflowing Catholic churches. Just the opposite happened — Catholics abandoned the Faith of their fathers in droves, filled with bitterness and sadness. All the prophets of change were wrong, and many were apparently malicious. Would you trust these fools with your eternal salvation?
May God grant you the grace you need to save your soul, honor God, and lead many souls to heaven. When He does give you the grace, accept it. Otherwise, we hope to never see the place that Satan has prepared for you.
But your situation is unique because you have taken such great responsibility upon your shoulders. It is bad enough that you will not choose to follow what the Church has always taught, but it is infinitely worse that you have occupied the papacy to prevent others from following the religion of all the saints. Indeed, you want to wipe that “rigid” and “backward” religion off the face of the earth, even though you would protect every other Christian religion. How can you be so very sure that God wills every religion in the world other than the Catholicism of your youth? All the saints would tell you that you have it exactly backwards.
Your occupation of the papacy exposes you to greater peril if you harm God’s Church and deprive Him of the love He wants to receive from souls. But it also allows you to do something heroic at this moment. You can choose between one of the lowest places in hell or a high place in heaven. Your role at this moment in salvation history therefore acts like a magnifier of the eternal consequences we all face. You can honor God and become a great saint if you reject the anti-Catholic spirit that has poisoned so many souls since Vatican II. With so many people praying for you, it seems that God will grant you the grace to do so.
But perhaps you would hesitate because so many “great people” support your efforts. Is it odd to you that many of your great friends who tell us to “trust the science” on the environment also tell us we are bigots if we say that men cannot become pregnant? And why are these great friends of yours pushing for World War III? If we all need to stop eating meat to save the environment (because cow flatulence is so bad), what do they think nuclear bombs will do to the environment? These are the geniuses you would follow instead of the Church’s saints?
You can be a great saint but you have to first be a great man, and you are running out of time. Many of us would offer our lives to help you convert, because we want to see you in heaven. May God grant you the grace you need to save your soul, honor God, and lead many souls to heaven. When He does give you the grace, accept it. Otherwise, we hope to never see the place that Satan has prepared for you. We pray that the Blessed Virgin Mary, the Undoer of Knots, intercedes on your behalf to obtain everything you need to choose heaven over hell.
In Christo Rege,
Robert Morrison
Michael J. Matt | Editor, The Remnant
TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Theology; Worship
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To: roving
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posted on
11/02/2023 4:26:22 PM PDT
by
ebb tide
To: Forward the Light Brigade
I agree it WAS really hard to see how this could possibly play out. It makes more sense with every passing day.
To: ebb tide
I am waiting for someone to write a biography of Francis entitled “Soros’s Pope”.
To: ebb tide
Because he serves a different master.
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posted on
11/02/2023 5:02:17 PM PDT
by
DuncanWaring
(The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
To: ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton
I am waiting for someone to write a biography of Francis entitled “Soros’s Pope”.
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posted on
11/02/2023 5:18:36 PM PDT
by
ebb tide
To: ebb tide; roving; bantam; BipolarBob; notaliberal; ConservativeMind; ealgeone; Mark17; Karliner; ...
Praying to Mary is a sin. Even Jesus didn’t hold her higher than anyone else.4 Biblical Proofs for Prayers to Saints and for the Dead
Actually, the desperate extrapolative recourse such attempts must resort to are an argument against the very invention that can only wish was in Scripture, that of prayer to created beings in Heaven (PTCBIH).
1) Praying to Saints (i.e., Asking Them to Intercede): Rich Man and Lazarus
Zero "proof," let alone any support despite egregious extrapolation. No one here is on earth praying to someone in Heaven to intercede for them to God. Rather, both are in the same realm, as is the case with all two-way communication btwn created beings and those of Heaven, except God, and the rich man is asking Abraham to send Laz with water. And Abraham is not in Heaven anyway, yet.
2) Praying to Saints: Saul Petitions the Prophet Samuel After the Latter’s Death
Ditto. No one here is on earth praying to someone in Heaven to intercede for them to God. Rather, Samuel - if indeed it is him - is summoned into the earth realm by a witch, acting contrary to the word of God, and which is in order to get advice. The fact that Saul is so desperate that he must resort to a witch to engage in what is forbidden, and PTCBIH are so desperate that they must resort to this for support (and forget about "proof") leaves them both desperate in teaching contrary to the word of God!
The Apostle Paul Prayed for the Dead 2 Timothy 1:16-18 May the Lord grant mercy to the household of Onesiphorus, for he often refreshed me
Desperation in deception #3. Paul is simply not praying to any created being in Heaven, and what he does express is more that of a desire, for Paul is not reticent to tell us when he prays, while it can only be presumed that Onesiphorus had died. Nor is this even support for RC Purgatory.
Jesus and Peter Simultaneously Prayed to Saints and for the Dead Tabitha was a disciple in Joppa who died. Peter prayed to her when he said “Tabitha, rise.” See Acts 9:36-41.Tabitha was a disciple in Joppa who died. Peter prayed to her when he said “Tabitha, rise.” See Acts 9:36-41. She was dead, and he was addressing her. There is no impenetrable wall between heaven and earth. This is not only praying to the dead, but for the dead, since the passage says that Peter “prayed” before addressing Tabitha first person. And he was praying for her to come back to life.
Which last ditch effort also fails, for once again, there simply is no praying to anyone in Heaven to intercede for them to God, or even to help the supplicant, for instead, as every believer did in prayers in Scripture, Peter prayed to God, and then commanded her to arise.
And no such desperation should be necessary for such a common Catholic practice, seeing there have always been plenty of created beings to pray to, and needful opportunities to do so or to give thanks to such, Yet there are ZERO examples of PTCBIH in Scripture, and despite there being over 200 prayers by believers in the Bible.
Yet Catholicism teaches their tradition (of men) of prayer to created beings in Heaven despite,
- Over 200 prayers by believers recorded in Scripture by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit ;
- Who therein only instructs and examples prayer to Heaven being addressed to God ;
- Who in Scripture shows thst God alone is able to hear all prayer;
- Who states therein that only God knows the hearts (and motives) of all the children of men - 2 Chronicles 6:30.
- And who only records pagans making supplication to invisible heavenly beings who are as omniscient - Jeremiah 44:17.
- And with communication with the departed only being prohibited or shown negatively;
- And who presents Christ as the only heavenly mediator btwn God and man - 1 Timothy.
- And who Himself cries out to the Father - Galatians 4:6.
"Prayer to Saints" is not restricted to just them, but angels as well, and basically boils down to (based on what we do read in the Bible),
- Presuming that believers are to engage in what only pagans are shown doing in making supplication to invisible created heavenly beings who can know hearts and minds.
- Presuming that this is what believers in Scripture did despite ZERO examples of such in Scripture, and despite there being over 200 prayers by believers in the Bible, and despite there plenty of created beings to pray to, and needful opportunities to do so or to give thanks to such, and despite this being a common Catholic practice;
- Presuming the Holy Spirit would neglect to record or not see as warranted recording this normal Catholic practice if indeed Biblical believers did so;
- Presuming to attribute uniquely Divine attributes to departed saints of knowing the hearts and minds of supplicants, and thus their motives, and the ability to hear multitudinous prayers to Heaven.
- Presuming to provide men as possessing the unique Divine power and privilege of being the only Heavenly being addressed in prayer to Heaven.
- Presuming with no actual evidence of sanction, and with contacting the departed only being prohibited or shown negatively, that earthly two-way communications in this realm must be able to continue btwn those on earth and in Heaven, while IIRC two-way communications in Scripture required both beings from their respective realms to somehow be in the same realm and conversing by words, not mental thoughts.
- Presuming the Holy Spirit would present Christ as the only heavenly mediator btwn God and man - (1 Timothy 2:5 - and elaborate in priestly functions (in the book of Hebrews) yet not once mention that created beings function as mediators.
- Presuming that while believers, being priests, have boldness to enter the holy of holies in Heaven through the blood of Jesus Christ, (Heb. 10:19) for by Him they have access by His Spirit to the Father, (Eph. 2:18) yet they should regularly present their requests to secretaries instead of directly to God.
PTCBIH is simply unholy presumption, and an insult to God and His Holy Spirit, and contrary to what He does teach on prayer to Heaven.
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posted on
11/02/2023 7:31:40 PM PDT
by
daniel1212
(Turn 2 the Lord Jesus who saves damned+destitute sinners on His acct, believe, b baptized+follow HIM)
To: daniel1212
Thank you. There are serious doubts that it was Samuel that was responding to Sauls witch. Besides it was Jesus that taught the Disciples how to pray and it was “ Our Father Who art in heaven”.
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posted on
11/02/2023 7:52:59 PM PDT
by
BipolarBob
(Attention terrorists! has Joe Biden forgot to fund your cell? Call the WH now.)
To: ebb tide
I do not know the actual source of the image but the whispering applies to more than just this pope.
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posted on
11/02/2023 7:56:59 PM PDT
by
daniel1212
(Turn 2 the Lord Jesus who saves damned+destitute sinners on His acct, believe, b baptized+follow HIM)
To: ebb tide
Ebb wears his Catholic colors proudly!
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posted on
11/02/2023 8:44:32 PM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: BipolarBob
I couldn’t make it past the First one!
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posted on
11/02/2023 8:46:21 PM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: notaliberal
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posted on
11/02/2023 8:47:00 PM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: daniel1212
Put this in your protestant pipe and smoke it, Daniel:
Praying to Saints
Paul Prayed to Saints
The Apostle Paul, (Saint Paul, that is) explicitly asks saints to pray for him in the Bible, just as Catholics today do. The reader may be astonished, but the claim is true. St. Paul prayed to saints. Here’s proof:
“Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus.” (Eph. 1:1 KJV)
Here is St. Paul writing to the Ephesians. He calls them saints. At the end of the book of Ephesians (6:18-19), he tells these saints to pray for him:
“Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints; And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly…” (KJV)
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posted on
11/02/2023 8:49:49 PM PDT
by
ebb tide
To: ebb tide
“...to the saints which are at Ephesus...”
Pretty sure the folks Paul was writing to were still alive.
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posted on
11/02/2023 8:57:43 PM PDT
by
21twelve
(Ever Vigilant. Never Fearful.)
To: Elsie
That I do, Elsie.
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posted on
11/02/2023 8:59:35 PM PDT
by
ebb tide
To: 21twelve; daniel1212
"Call now if there be any that will answer thee, and turn to some of the saints.
[Job 5:1]
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posted on
11/02/2023 9:05:19 PM PDT
by
ebb tide
To: 21twelve
Saints in heaven are alive, too.
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posted on
11/02/2023 9:19:31 PM PDT
by
Campion
(Everything is a grace, everything is the direct effect of our Father's love - Little Flower)
To: BipolarBob; roving
Those aren’t *proof*.
They’re wishful thinking and rationalizations and playing very fast and loose with definitions.
37
posted on
11/02/2023 9:34:47 PM PDT
by
metmom
(He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.)
To: daniel1212
Spot on, Daniel.
By Catholics definition, any time someone talks to another human being it’s *praying* to them.
Ludicrous.
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posted on
11/02/2023 9:37:50 PM PDT
by
metmom
(He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.)
To: 21twelve
Yup because writing a letter to a church full of dead people makes so much sense......
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posted on
11/02/2023 9:39:02 PM PDT
by
metmom
(He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.)
To: ebb tide
There is only one answer:
THE POWER OF THE PAPACY HAS GONE TO HIS HEAD.
And we are obliged to STOP HIM.
He is no more a Holy Man than the Borgias and De Medicis.
I hope the Vatican can act...and FAST.
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