Posted on 08/16/2023 6:39:10 AM PDT by zucchini bob
(2 Peter 1:20) Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. (Isaiah 28:10) For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little: (Isaiah 28:13) But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.
GOD told JS to re-translate the KJV and correct it.
It is known as the JS translation or Inspired Version.
The old Rlds folks (now Community of Christ) own the copyright to it.
(Seems it got left behind when the fearful Mormons followed Brigham on those deadly trips, pulling a handcart, to Utah.)
It is considered SCRIPTURE by the CoC folks, but NOT included in the QUAD of scripture by the SLC folks.
Weird; eh?
Why keep the KJV when it has alleged errors and NOT use the JST?
Just another of the unfathomable mysteries of MormonISM.
You foolish Galatian...
😄😆😄😁🤔
Sola Scriptura? Not if you keep Sunday. Sounds like you’re still Catholic.
Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
What will the gates of Hades not prevail against? There was no Bible at the time of that prophecy and promise except “the Law and the Prophets.”
And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. — Matthew 16:18
Therefore the one, holy, catholic (according to the whole), and apostolic church preceded the Bible in promise and practice. There is no do over for yet another Gentile sect to reconstruct, remake, reform, and reestablish a church in their own image or the image of the Bible which the promised church delivered to the nations.
As regards the oft-quoted Mt. 16:18, note the following Early Church Fathers promise in the profession of faith of Vatican 1:
• Basil of Seleucia, Oratio 25:
'You are Christ, Son of the living God.'...Now Christ called this confession a rock, and he named the one who confessed it 'Peter,' perceiving the appellation which was suitable to the author of this confession. For this is the solemn rock of religion, this the basis of salvation, this the wall of faith and the foundation of truth: 'For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is Christ Jesus.' To whom be glory and power forever. — Oratio XXV.4, M.P.G., Vol. 85, Col. 296-297.
• Bede, Matthaei Evangelium Expositio, 3:
You are Peter and on this rock from which you have taken your name, that is, on myself, I will build my Church, upon that perfection of faith which you confessed I will build my Church by whose society of confession should anyone deviate although in himself he seems to do great things he does not belong to the building of my Church...Metaphorically it is said to him on this rock, that is, the Saviour which you confessed, the Church is to be built, who granted participation to the faithful confessor of his name. — 80Homily 23, M.P.L., Vol. 94, Col. 260. Cited by Karlfried Froehlich, Formen, Footnote #204, p. 156 [unable to verify by me].
• Cassiodorus, Psalm 45.5:
'It will not be moved' is said about the Church to which alone that promise has been given: 'You are Peter and upon this rock I shall build my Church and the gates of Hell shall not prevail against it.' For the Church cannot be moved because it is known to have been founded on that most solid rock, namely, Christ the Lord. — Expositions in the Psalms, Volume 1; Volume 51, Psalm 45.5, p. 455
• Chrysostom (John) [who affirmed Peter was a rock, but here not the rock in Mt. 16:18]:
Therefore He added this, 'And I say unto thee, Thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church; that is, on the faith of his confession. — Chrysostom, Homilies on the Gospel of Saint Matthew, Homily LIIl; Philip Schaff, Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers (http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/npnf110.iii.LII.html)
• Cyril of Alexandria:
When [Peter] wisely and blamelessly confessed his faith to Jesus saying, 'You are Christ, Son of the living God,' Jesus said to divine Peter: 'You are Peter and upon this rock I will build my Church.' Now by the word 'rock', Jesus indicated, I think, the immoveable faith of the disciple.”. — Cyril Commentary on Isaiah 4.2.
• Origen, Commentary on the Gospel of Matthew (Book XII):
“For a rock is every disciple of Christ of whom those drank who drank of the spiritual rock which followed them, 1 Corinthians 10:4 and upon every such rock is built every word of the church, and the polity in accordance with it; for in each of the perfect, who have the combination of words and deeds and thoughts which fill up the blessedness, is the church built by God.'
“For all bear the surname ‘rock’ who are the imitators of Christ, that is, of the spiritual rock which followed those who are being saved, that they may drink from it the spiritual draught. But these bear the surname of rock just as Christ does. But also as members of Christ deriving their surname from Him they are called Christians, and from the rock, Peters.” — Commentary on the Gospel of Matthew (Book XII), sect. 10,11 ( http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/101612.htm)
• Hilary of Potier, On the Trinity (Book II):
Thus our one immovable foundation, our one blissful rock of faith, is the confession from Peter's mouth, Thou art the Son of the living God. On it we can base an answer to every objection with which perverted ingenuity or embittered treachery may assail the truth."-- (Hilary of Potier, On the Trinity (Book II), para 23; Philip Schaff, editor, The Nicene & Post Nicene Fathers Series 2, Vol 9.
Well; there were sure PLENTY of 'writings'!!
You can keep posting YOUR words; and I’ll keep posting Scripture to spotlight them.
13 And we also thank God constantly for this,
that when you received the word of God which you HEARD from us,
you accepted it not as the word of men but as what it really is,
the WORD of God, which is at work in you believers.
Those poor schmuck Thessalonians Believers...
Trusting the Word of God by Ear...
THEY DIDN'T GET IT IN WRITING!!!
2 "Observe the Sabbath day by keeping it holy,
as the LORD your God has commanded you.
13 Six days you shall labor and do all your work,
14 but the seventh day is a Sabbath
to the LORD your God.
On it you shall not do any work,
neither you, nor your son or daughter,
nor your manservant or maidservant, nor your ox,
your donkey or any of your animals,
nor the alien within your gates,
so that your manservant and maidservant may rest,
as you do.
Whoops...
That cat is out of the bag now ...
Is this a GUESS?
Of course it is. Why would I bother to search in history for the names of dearly departed. It is history in the past. They are recorded in heaven just like all dearly departed especially those victims of the Holodomor or any other Christian or heathen cleansing that has taken place in history.
You on the other hand will attempt to make a Mountain out of a molehill. There’s a hook in there just for you.
——>There was no Bible at the time of that prophecy and promise except “the Law and the Prophets.”
Yes, there was. It’s called the Old Testament. You may not believe this, but it is clearly outlined in scripture....that the Christian church is a CONTINUATION of Israel. The things entrusted to LITERAL Israel now carry over to the Church, minus things like Old Covenant ceremonial law, clearly done away with at the cross, circumcision, etc... The following content comes from an article by Uriah Smith, titled “The Two Covenants”. It also mentions the 7th-day-Sabbath. I think you would find it intellectually stimulating.
https://m.egwwritings.org/en/book/1417/info
I quote the article in part.
Salvation is of the Jews (John 4:22) 22Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.
>> In the prophecy as originally given, and as quoted by Paul, it is plainly stated with whom the Lord would make the new covenant: “Behold the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant,” not with the Gentiles, but “with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah.” The new covenant, therefore, is made with the very same people with whom the old was made.
>> Paul elsewhere mentions this fact in a number of places. In Rom. 9:3-5, he says, “For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh.” There is no question but Paul is here speaking of the literal seed of Abraham. He continues: “Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises; whose are the fathers, and of whom, as concerning the flesh, Christ came, who is over all, God blessed forever.”
>> These are the very important and lofty distinctions conferred upon that people. Let us for a moment consider them. To them pertained “the adoption.” God adopted Abraham as his friend, and his posterity as his children, because when all others had apostatized from him, Abraham alone was found faithful; and of him God bore testimony that he had obeyed his voice kept his charge, his commandments, his statutes, and his laws. Gen. 26:5. So that people were set apart to be the depositaries of God’s law, and preserve the worship and the knowledge of the true God in the earth.
>>And to them pertained “the glory;” that is, the manifestation of God’s glory among men. This was exhibited at the giving of the law, when Moses was obliged to put a vail over his face to hide the glory of his countenance; and after that in the visible appearance of God’s glory in connection more especially with the ark and mercy-seat.
>>And to them pertained “the covenants,” plural, both of them, the old and the new. He does not say that to them pertained “the covenant” referring to the old, while the new pertained to some other people; but both were theirs. “And the giving of the law.” Then the law was distinct from the covenants. “And the service of God, and the promises.” All the promises came through the same channel. No promise is made to anyone who is not in some sense a member of the Israel of God.
>>And, finally, our Lord himself, as concerning the flesh, came from that people. Many seem to think that all they need to say about the Sabbath is that it is Jewish; and they look upon anything to which they think they can apply this term with apparent if not real abhorrence. But in what condition should we find ourselves to-day, had not the Jews acted the part they have acted in our world’s history? They received the lively oracles to commit unto us. By them truth was kept alive in the world. They were for long ages the only conservators of the knowledge of the true God, and of revealed religion in the earth. And our Lord said that salvation is “of the Jews.”
>>In the providence of God the Jews had been made His chosen witnesses to the nations of earth. They became the recipients and appointed custodians of His revealed will (see Rom. 3:1, 2; 9:3–5). Jesus therefore affirms the absolute superiority of the Jewish religion, having already made it clear that that superiority is in no way related to the place of worship (John 4:21). The superiority of Judaism consisted in the fact that God had chosen the Hebrew people to be His representatives on earth, that He had entrusted to them the divine oracles, and that the Messiah was to be a Jew (Rom. 9:4, 5).
>> The new covenant itself was made with Israel and Judah. How, then, do the Gentiles come in to share in its blessings? Paul explains in Eph. 2:13-15. After speaking of the Gentiles as aliens from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers from the covenants of Promise, he says, “But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ. For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us, having abolished in his flesh the enmity, EVEN THE LAW OF COMMANDMENTES CONTAINED IN THE ORDINANCES, for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace.” In verse 19 he adds, “Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellow-citizens with the saints, and of the household of God.”
>> God had entrusted the Jews with the divine “oracles” (Rom. 3:2). They stood in the world as the official representatives of the true religion. Until the founding of the Christian church there was no other people to whom God could direct the seekers for salvation. Referring to the scribes and the Pharisees who “sit in Moses’ seat,” Jesus Himself counseled the people, “All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do” (Matt. 23:3). When the Jews rejected Christ, their status as the official representatives of the true religion was taken away from them and given to the Christian church (see on Matt. 21:43). [43Therefore I tell you that the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people who will produce its fruit.] After the crucifixion it was no longer necessary for the child of God to engage in the ritual of Judaism (see on Gal. 2:16). At first the distinction between Christianity and Judaism was not too clearly understood. Many Jewish converts believed that Christianity was simply Judaism to which had been added belief in Jesus as the Messiah. They maintained that the Gentiles should be circumcised and conform to the Jewish legal system in addition to their acceptance of Jesus Christ. The Jerusalem Council convened to settle the question (Acts 15). The council ruled against the claims of these men. However, not all seemed willing to accept the decisions of the council. A strong party developed, which continued to insist that Gentiles should accept Judaism along with Christianity. A group of zealots from this party upset the churches in Galatia, a situation that gave rise to the Epistle of Paul to the Galatians, in which he clearly set forth that the system of Judaism was now obsolete.
>> This same transition from Judaism to Christianity is Paul’s theme in this present verse. Judaism, with its involved system of commands and decrees, was abolished. With their acceptance of Christ and the removal of this barrier, Gentiles who were “far off” were “made nigh.”
>> But the coming to an end of Judaism did not mean the abrogation of all the laws that God had given to the Jews. The ceremonial law which pointed to Christ naturally came to an end when Christ fulfilled its types. Jewish civil law had already largely passed away with the passing of the nation’s sovereignty. But the moral precepts, which are a transcript of the character of God, are as eternal as God Himself and can never be abrogated. In all his teaching concerning the end of the Jewish legal system, Paul made emphatically clear that the moral law was not abrogated (see on Rom. 3:31). [31Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? Certainly not! Instead, we uphold the law.] When speaking of the end of circumcision Paul was careful to add, “but the keeping of the commandments of God [is everything]” (see on 1 Cor. 7:19). See further on Gal. 2:16.
>>1 Corinthians 7:19 Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing, but keeping the commandments of God is what matters. NKJV
>> Thus plainly is it stated that through Christ the Gentiles are brought into such a relation to God that they are no longer strangers from the covenants of promise. The middle wall of partition between the Jews and themselves was broken down by what Christ abolished on the cross.
>> Here a most ludicrous and ridiculous blunder is made by some opponents of the Sabbath, even those who claim to be ministers of the word. They assert that the wall of partition was broken down in order that the Jews might come out where the Gentiles were, and partake of their liberty and blessings, the privileges of the gospel, and the first-day Sabbath.
>>This is just exactly the opposite of the truth. The Gentiles had no blessings to offer. We have already seen from Paul’s testimony that they are without God, without Christ, and without hope, and have no interest in the covenants. The gospel was not theirs, but was preached to Abraham, to Moses, and the Hebrews, all through their history; and all its blessings were included in the new covenant, which, like the old, was made with that people. Gal. 3:8; Heb. 4:2.
>>No! the middle wall of partition was broken down that the Gentiles might go in where the Jews were, and be partakers of the blessings and promises which they had in their possession. Through Christ they enter in. He hath made both one so far as they will accept of his work and his offering. The Gentiles who thus come in, are then no longer Gentiles, but members of the commonwealth of Israel; no longer far off, but made nigh by the blood of Christ; no longer strangers, but fellow-citizens with the saints.
>> The Gentiles are then reckoned as Israel in a certain sense, Paul, elsewhere very clearly shows. Rom. 9:7” “Neither because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children; but in Isaac shall thy seed be called. That is, they which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God; but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.”
>>In harmony with this, he testifies to the Galatians:
>>“And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.” Gal. 3:29. All who are Christ’s then, are the children of Abraham, not literally but spiritually, and are accounted for the seed. So we hear him saying to the Romans in language still more pointed: “For he is not a Jew which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision which is outward in the flesh; but he is a Jew which is one inwardly, and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter, whose praise is not of men but of God.” The inward work of grace, then, in the heart, under the gospel, constitutes one a Jew in reality, and an Israelite indeed.
>>Nothing need be added to such plain statements of the apostle, yet he uses a figure in Rom. 11, which beautifully illustrates this point, and is entitled to a passing notice. He there represents the Jewish people, while they were the children of God, by a tame olive tree, and the Gentiles by a wild olive tree. The branches of the tame olive tree were broken off, and grafts from the wild olive tree, the Gentiles, were inserted in their places. Did this change the tree and make a Gentile tree of it? No; it was the same tree; but now the Gentiles are brought in to be a part of it, and thus partake of its root and fatness, the blessings of the new covenant, the promises of God through Abraham and his seed.
Etc...
Thanks again for the research and truth in print. Although I do recognize it has been previously used, repetition is a good thing.
Yep, they proclaim Sola Scriptura, yet they keep Sunday as their Sabbath. Complete hypocrites.
Murph, your church gives full disclosure. I commend them on that. Sunday-keeping Protestants, however, are hypocrites.
Again, Rome’s Challenge (why do Protestants keep Sunday?):
https://www.romeschallenge.com/downloads/RomesChallenge.pdf
Not supported in the bible ANYWHERE. They are following the AUTHORITY of the Catholic Church.
Your barn has a concrete floor? What have they found under the floor that they like? Perhaps protection from humans?
You have taken license with what I said.
That rhymes with shed. Eight by ten in this case and far from barn size, but it does have a wooden floor. I opened the door yesterday morning to find both glue traps undisturbed and the newly repaired bag of manure undamaged by whatever. So I’m still not sure what the culprit’s are or is. Maybe today, haven’t looked yet and the look may be delayed by the Italian Grand Prix qualifying at eight local time.
I could aim those very scriptures at so called evangelicals, Protestants, Reformationists who don’t seem to recognize they can’t escape from the RCC from whence they came.
I would classify Martin and other reformers as a Prophet, I don’t believe they did so.
And to be hypocritical,
shouldnt always mean a conclusively negative deal either.
Note: Someone suffering from an addiction, say porn,
may tell anyone he or she meets,
that porn is bad and should be avoided.
Obviously a hypocritcal instance for the porn addict,
but is done so for the intention of a positive result for the other.
Even Jesus in dealing with the viperish "Hypocrite" Pharisees,
didn't dismiss them out of hand, totally..
But says to listen TO "what they SAY", and not "what they DO"...
"because they sit on the Judgement Seat of Moses"
So yeah labeling some with the H word may not always be effective.
And of course, in doing that it puts anyone square up against
that indictment..."He who is without sin, ...
(Even though... IT is WRITTEN,... in, inerrant, God Breathed scripture..
"An eye for an eye, tooth for tooth"... No questions asked.)
And besides, the Christian must "follow their own conscience"...
which is the self-reflecting capacity of our human being.
ALL of us must listen to our conscience.
As Cdl. John Henry Newmam would say...
Conscience – the ‘aboriginal vicar of Christ’ –
is that faculty every human being has to know what is right.
It is the voice of God Himself speaking in our soul.
So we all have to form our conscience, as best we can, properly,
and examine it often,
And then follow it
as best we know how.
And its not perfect, either.
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