Posted on 03/16/2023 5:51:01 PM PDT by marshmallow
The pope's latest scandalous comments contradict the teachings of the Church Fathers on the existence of Hell.
VATICAN CITY (LifeSiteNews) — In an interview to mark his 10-year anniversary, Pope Francis appeared to deny the existence of Hell, saying that “is not a place” but is instead simply “a state of the heart” and “a posture towards life.”
The pontiff’s comments formed part of a lengthy conversation conducted by Argentinian news site Perfil, one of a number of recent interviews the Pope granted journalists to mark his decade upon the papal throne. Touching on a number of topics he discussed with other reporters, Francis also spoke about his philosophical and theological thought, along with aspects relating to global politics.
As part of the in-depth discussion, Francis was asked, “What is your own interpretation of Hell and paradise, and what happens to people who go to Hell, and what happens to those who go to paradise?”
Giving a trademark lengthy, convoluted, and somewhat evasive answer, Francis appeared to deny the existence of Hell as an actual place. “Hell is not a place,” he said. “If one goes to attend the Last Judgment, and sees the faces of those who go to Hell, one gets scared. If you read Dante, you get scared. But these are media representations.”
Expanding on his answer, Francis described Hell simply as “a state” — a description which appeared to refer to a state of mind. “Hell is a state, there are people who live in Hell continuously.”
He clarified that he was not referring to suffering generally, but to “those who make a world of bad or sick self-referentiality, and end up living in Hell.”
Hell is a state, it is a state of the heart, of the soul, of a posture towards life.......
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Corrected quote;
“Heck is the place where people who don’t believe in gosh, think they’re not going?”
Why do Catholics REJECT this pope they have been saddled with?
I'll TELL you!
Hanging around them damned Prots has influenced their thinking; making them realize that a noxious odor is emanating from Denmark...
Where is this from?
We don’t hate Bergoglio; we hate what he is doing to the Church. He seems determined to destroy it.
Death and Hell are both thrown into the Lake of Fire. The Lake of Fire was made for Satan and his Angels and it burns in the presence of Christ and the angels according to Revelation.
Daniel 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
You are wrong about the final extinction of a sinner. For Daniel 12:2 to support your view it would have to state that those consigned to the lake of Fire would be eternally extinguished, and there-fore having no consciousness of shame and everlasting contempt. God takes no personal pleasure in the death of the wicked. Mark 9:44 speaks of those whose “worm dieth not in the eternal flames” No it is not a literal worm but an everlasting self awareness filled with guilt and regret at having rejected Christ.
You push Armstrongism who wrote reams and reams about how the sinners will simply be annihilated in hell and never rise again nor have any external consciousness ignoring many passages of disproving scripture. Each person not resurrected in the first resurrection will be given a chance to see if his name is found in the book of life. Many men and women through out time have died without hearing the gospel but yet may have groped in darkeness and responded to some of God’s light. Many indeed will be flicked into the Lake of Fire but I believe there will be quite a few surprises with many saved by the skin of their teeth. That is why there is a final judgment, God desires that no man perish but have everlasting life. Many see only the negative in this final judgment assuming that there will be no further names found there that weren’t already there in the first resurrection of souls under Jesus Christ as well as any saved during the millenial reign of Jesus. Oh yes, Revelation speaks of numbers of people existing at the end of the millenium as being as the sands of the seashore. They too will be judged as to whether their names will be found. in the ls Book of Life.
Many will be thrown into the Lake of Fire but since God is judging, we will have to allow for surprises and reprieves that only God will reveal.
God is also the God of the living and he exists past, present and future all at once. Any soul that has had any existence at all will in one sense of time, always be eternally existent. God could crush a soul/spirit out of a present and future existence but such a soul is still existent in Gods permanent presence past, which is the past sense from where we humans presently operate in linear time.(Christ: Before Abraham...I AM).
Souls were made to exist eternally with God...even sent to Hell they just don’t go away. Once a soul comes into being, it can never again be said of that soul “that it had never existed” Even if God destroyed such a soul across all times right to the womb, it still had an existence before its destruction.
Every lost soul to God was and is and will be felt in that serpent’s bite in Christ’s heel! God takes no pleasure in the death of the wicked because that soul is lost forever to God’s presence; the Lake of Fire is the only binding and everlasting tourniquet of experience with a body fitted to destruction, that such a soul could ever receive from God! It is God’s final mercy for the soul that would not let God do anything else for it.
Mary is a powerful intercessor with her Son, but she does not have the power to control events.
Is your name Daniel 12:12 or Daniel 12:1-2? LOL!
Oh getting fancy with the latin are we?...hee hee!
I haven’t had latin training but somehow I intuited that the phrase you used was translated as was The revelation of John...(then I checked,.... much like the healed leper who was told to go show himself to the priest and be certified disease free...the translation and yes! The Revelation of John! You are a clever fellow Elsie!)
Seriously.... God bless you today!
“Heck is a place you don’t think you’re going to - just because you don’t believe in gosh”
Oh man, THAT is a tee-shirt!!
I corrected it in post 114
Corrected quote;
“Heck is the place where people who don’t believe in gosh, think they’re not going”
The Apostles gave us the Bible.
The Catholic Church decided which books went in the Bible. Books such as the Gospel of Judas, Shepherd of Hermas, etc we’re excluded based on their teachings and the authority of the Church.
And some books were written by Disciples, not Apostles. Big difference.
https://www.catholic.com/encyclopedia/bible
He may well eff around and find out. 😏
You really should cite the source, especially when posting such a brilliant passage.
And those disciples were relaying their 1st hand reception of the Apostles teaching.
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