More Bad News from the Vatican: Catholics Told Not to Kneel or Receive Communion on the Tongue

Les Femmes ^ | January 22, 2023 | Mary Ann Kreitzer

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More Bad News from the Vatican: Catholics Told Not to Kneel or Receive Communion on the Tongue

Pope Francis Confers Lay Ministries Upon Ten People in St. Peter’s Basilica

What has been considered a "right" of the laity was soundly squashed Sunday when Francis conferred the ministry of lector and catechist on ten lay people at St. Peter's, four men and six women. In the protocols before the event, the laity were instructed (mandated) that they could not kneel or receive Communion on the tongue.  It's unclear from reports whether the mandate applied only to the ten or to all those attending the event (5,000).

What's more than clear, however, is that this is one more "radical departure" from Sacred Tradition and another display of the hermeneutic of rupture. It also shows a mean-spirited and petty tyranny on the part of Cardinal Arthur Roche, liturgy head, who replaced Cardinal Sarah, a friend of the TLM. 

Cardinal Sarah criticized Communion in the hand in the introduction to a book on reception of Communion published in 2018. In the introduction the cardinal wrote:

The most insidious diabolical attack consists in trying to extinguish faith in the Eucharist, by sowing errors and fostering an unsuitable way of receiving it. Truly the war between Michael and his Angels on one side, and Lucifer on the other, continues in the hearts of the faithful.

Francis was not overly enthused by Cardinal Sarah's positions and removed him as liturgy head shortly after he reached mandatory retirement age. Many bishops are asked to continue beyond 75, but Francis lost no time in ditching Sarah and naming NO enthusiast and TLM adversary Roche to the position. What happened today is consistent with Roche's contempt for the TLM whose adherents he describes as "more Protestant...than Catholic." He apparently considers those NO Catholics who receive kneeling and on the tongue as spiritual twins of the despised traditionalists.

Today's event, seems to legitimize rumors that a new, more dogmatic Francis document is in preparation.  It's expected to further clamp down on the TLM and also make more changes to the Novus Ordo. Catholics, both those who attend the TLM and those who attend the NO, have legitimate reasons for concern. 

Two iconoclasts at work: "We'll suppress the TLM altogether and ban Communion
kneeling and on the tongue in the Novus Ordo. The Protestants will love it!"

Roche claims that the TLM was "abrogated" by Pope Paul VI, a fact disputed by Pope Benedict who said it was "never abrogated" and any priest could celebrate it without permission from his ordinary. Today's event suggests that norms for the Novus Ordo may be in the works that forbid the reception of Communion kneeling or on the tongue. 

The TLM obviously isn't the only target of these iconoclasts! Reverence for the Eucharist has to go as well. If they accomplish what seems to be in the works, how many will never attend another Novus Ordo Mass?

Stay tuned. 2023 is likely to be a very unsettling year for Catholics. But we've become used to it in the era of Francis the friendly (to everyone but traditional Catholics).

[Mathews]

Let’s try post #3 shall we? If all you had to do as a Catholic is abide by the Ten Commandments, life, I think, would be much less confusing for you. You’re also snide...

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Now you’re making up your own personal “scripture”. You’re worse than a protestant.

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This what you are advocating for:

Francis Eucharist: Guy Picks Up Communion, Doesn't Know What To Do With It

[T.B. Yoits]

Advocating for?

No, just pointing out the conflict between receiving on the tongue while kneeling and the Last Supper.

Christ, in His eternal wisdom, foresaw that man taking Communion. May the Lord's will be done.

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You apparently don’t know the difference between positive will and permissive will.

Using your twisted logic, God wills abortion, sodomy along with Communion in the paws.

[T.B. Yoits]

Positive will vs Permissive will?

You tell me which was the Lord's will when He held the Last Supper and told the Apostles to "Do this in memory of me." but didn't have them kneel and receive on the tongue.

Because Permissive Will is what allowed the Church to change after hundreds of years and recognition of His Positive Will is what is changing it back.

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You sound more like a protestant than a catholic.

Communion in the hand: a Protestant attack on the priesthood

The Grave Sin of Communion in the Hand

Communion in the hand is a sacrilege... Each Communion in the hand brings more punishment...

Is Communion in the hand a sacrilege?

[T.B. Yoits]

You sound more like a protestant than a catholic.

There are a lot of things to focus on, to intellectualize about, to stay in irrelevant details in order to avoid what's really going on.

One of those links you posted had a question - "How many Sacred Fragments are caused and dropped—even when the Host is given as reverently as possible?"

That's called Deflection and it's a narcissistic trait and/or a coping strategy.

Christ Himself broke bread and handed it to the Apostles. He didn't hold a communion plate under their chin in case a crumb fell. As all of creation is His; it's His bread, His molecular tension, and His gravity contributing to "Sacred Fragments" falling, yet He chose to hand It to them that way, while saying "Do this in memory of me."

Again, if He willed it, who was anyone to change it?

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Again, if He willed it, who was anyone to change it?

God willed rampant homosexuality in Sodom. God then willed Sodom be destroyed.

Put that in your protestant pipe and smoke it.

[T.B. Yoits]

Sodom?

That's deflection. Stay on topic. The thread is about receiving Communion on the tongue while kneeling which conflicts with the Last Supper and the recent statement of Pope Francis.

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No deflection at all.

Just using “Yoit’s logic”!

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What recent statement did Francis make?

[T.B. Yoits]

What recent statement did Francis make?

Statement in that Catholics were told not to kneel or receive Communion on the tongue.

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Please give a source where Pope Francis, himself, made such a statement.

I’ll give you a hint. He never made such a statement.

[T.B. Yoits]

This all started at the funeral of Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI, over which Pope Francis presided, where Communion was given on the hand and a congregant was even refused Communion on the tongue.

Directing priests to act accordingly at such a high visibility funeral is a statement.

https://novusordowatch.org/2023/01/kneeling-man-refused-communion-ratzinger-funeral/

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So you don't have a statement and now you're quoting a sedevacantist site.

Talk about straying outside your precious “sola scriptura”.

You a prime example of a cafeteria catholic; no different than a protestant.