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More Bad News from the Vatican: Catholics Told Not to Kneel or Receive Communion on the Tongue
Les Femmes ^ | January 22, 2023 | Mary Ann Kreitzer

Posted on 01/23/2023 11:00:58 AM PST by ebb tide

More Bad News from the Vatican: Catholics Told Not to Kneel or Receive Communion on the Tongue

Pope Francis Confers Lay Ministries Upon Ten People in St. Peter’s Basilica

What has been considered a "right" of the laity was soundly squashed Sunday when Francis conferred the ministry of lector and catechist on ten lay people at St. Peter's, four men and six women. In the protocols before the event, the laity were instructed (mandated) that they could not kneel or receive Communion on the tongue.  It's unclear from reports whether the mandate applied only to the ten or to all those attending the event (5,000).

What's more than clear, however, is that this is one more "radical departure" from Sacred Tradition and another display of the hermeneutic of rupture. It also shows a mean-spirited and petty tyranny on the part of Cardinal Arthur Roche, liturgy head, who replaced Cardinal Sarah, a friend of the TLM. 

Cardinal Sarah criticized Communion in the hand in the introduction to a book on reception of Communion published in 2018. In the introduction the cardinal wrote:

The most insidious diabolical attack consists in trying to extinguish faith in the Eucharist, by sowing errors and fostering an unsuitable way of receiving it. Truly the war between Michael and his Angels on one side, and Lucifer on the other, continues in the hearts of the faithful.

Francis was not overly enthused by Cardinal Sarah's positions and removed him as liturgy head shortly after he reached mandatory retirement age. Many bishops are asked to continue beyond 75, but Francis lost no time in ditching Sarah and naming NO enthusiast and TLM adversary Roche to the position. What happened today is consistent with Roche's contempt for the TLM whose adherents he describes as "more Protestant...than Catholic." He apparently considers those NO Catholics who receive kneeling and on the tongue as spiritual twins of the despised traditionalists.

Today's event, seems to legitimize rumors that a new, more dogmatic Francis document is in preparation.  It's expected to further clamp down on the TLM and also make more changes to the Novus Ordo. Catholics, both those who attend the TLM and those who attend the NO, have legitimate reasons for concern. 

Two iconoclasts at work: "We'll suppress the TLM altogether and ban Communion
kneeling and on the tongue in the Novus Ordo. The Protestants will love it!"

Roche claims that the TLM was "abrogated" by Pope Paul VI, a fact disputed by Pope Benedict who said it was "never abrogated" and any priest could celebrate it without permission from his ordinary. Today's event suggests that norms for the Novus Ordo may be in the works that forbid the reception of Communion kneeling or on the tongue. 

The TLM obviously isn't the only target of these iconoclasts! Reverence for the Eucharist has to go as well. If they accomplish what seems to be in the works, how many will never attend another Novus Ordo Mass?

Stay tuned. 2023 is likely to be a very unsettling year for Catholics. But we've become used to it in the era of Francis the friendly (to everyone but traditional Catholics).



TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Theology; Worship
KEYWORDS: antipope; apostatepope; frankenchurch; massnazi
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1 posted on 01/23/2023 11:00:58 AM PST by ebb tide
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To: Al Hitan; Fedora; irishjuggler; Jaded; kalee; markomalley; miele man; Mrs. Don-o; ...

Ping


2 posted on 01/23/2023 11:01:48 AM PST by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

Bend over and take it in the ass now?


3 posted on 01/23/2023 11:04:29 AM PST by ImJustAnotherOkie
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To: ebb tide

I stopped listening to this pop a long time ago.


4 posted on 01/23/2023 11:04:59 AM PST by The Louiswu (- .-. ..- -- .--. / ..--- ----- ..--- ....-)
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To: ebb tide

Imagine this: Someone celebrating the traditional Latin Rite, kneeling to accept communion on the tongue from a priest, and holding to traditional views on life and marriage is now called a...

Protestant.


5 posted on 01/23/2023 11:06:40 AM PST by MeganC (There is nothing feminine about feminism. )
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To: MeganC

And we wonder why there are less and less people showing up to Catholic Mass. The church is half full on Sunday.

Maybe this is all part of the plan to turn people away from God and the church of St Peter.


6 posted on 01/23/2023 11:21:48 AM PST by woodbutcher1963
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To: MeganC

Haha. Luther says “Mission Accomplished”. WHat?


7 posted on 01/23/2023 11:24:26 AM PST by nwrep
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To: ebb tide

Being Catholic must be very confusing. Lots of rules kinda like the Sanhedrin of old...


8 posted on 01/23/2023 11:27:24 AM PST by Mathews (I have faith Malachi is right!!! Any day now...)
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To: ebb tide

The “Vatican Rag” by Tom Lehrer.


9 posted on 01/23/2023 11:27:32 AM PST by beethovenfan (The REAL Great Reset will be when Jesus returns. )
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To: MeganC
Imagine Catholics not knowing for centuries that the "traditional Latin mass" was defined at the Council of Trent in the mid 16th century as a response to the Protestant Reformation. Mass done before that had many local variations (pre-Tridentine mass).

As soon as a coin in the coffer rings the soul from purgatory springs.

10 posted on 01/23/2023 11:31:37 AM PST by Tell It Right (1st Thessalonians 5:21 -- Put everything to the test, hold fast to that which is true.)
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11 posted on 01/23/2023 11:31:46 AM PST by ebb tide
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To: Mathews

Or the Pharisees.


12 posted on 01/23/2023 11:33:00 AM PST by BipolarBob (The rumor has not been confirmed until the FBI officially denies it.)
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To: Mathews

I guess the Ten Commandments are ten too many for you. Right?


13 posted on 01/23/2023 11:33:43 AM PST by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide
The Lord Himself, when he shared the Last Supper with His Apostles was celebrating Passover as Jews would. There is no description of their celebration of Passover being changed so that the Apostles would kneel in order to receive Communion on the tongue.

When the Lord said, "Do this in memory of me.", he didn't say "and add kneeling and receiving on the tongue."

14 posted on 01/23/2023 11:34:15 AM PST by T.B. Yoits
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To: ebb tide

The Jesuit takeover is almost complete.


15 posted on 01/23/2023 11:34:30 AM PST by Bloodandgravy
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To: T.B. Yoits

Yeah, right. As if you there to witness the Last Supper.

P.S. They were all priests who were present.


16 posted on 01/23/2023 11:36:46 AM PST by ebb tide
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To: Tell It Right

I am not a Catholic but one of the more moving and beautiful experiences I ever had was hearing a Latin service for a Christmas Eve one year. I love the small church experience I have on Sundays but there is an undeniable spiritual awesomeness in hearing the priest singing, the choir singing, and hearing the organ echoing in a beautiful stone cathedral.

To take that away from the Catholics who connect to God through it is to me a kind of violation.


17 posted on 01/23/2023 11:41:03 AM PST by MeganC (There is nothing feminine about feminism. )
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To: ebb tide

just die already... there i said it again


18 posted on 01/23/2023 11:42:58 AM PST by Chode (there is no fall back position, there's no rally point, there is no LZ... we're on our own. #FJB)
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To: ebb tide

Kiss my pre-concilior ass, Dope Francis.


19 posted on 01/23/2023 11:43:17 AM PST by Trump_Triumphant
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To: Tell It Right
Imagine Catholics not knowing for centuries that the "traditional Latin mass" was defined at the Council of Trent in the mid 16th century as a response to the Protestant Reformation.

All Trent did was codify and standardize the practice which had existed, almost unchanged, at Rome since the 5th century.

Mass done before that had many local variations (pre-Tridentine mass).

True, not all of which were abrogated by Trent. But if you compare, e.g., the Sarum Rite with the Tridentine, you'll find that they are very similar, with a few extra prayers, extra rituals, and extra rubrics in the Sarum rite.

20 posted on 01/23/2023 11:49:42 AM PST by Campion (Everything is a grace, everything is the direct effect of our Father's love - Little Flower)
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