“As stated MANY times, Jesus never put Peter in charge of His Church.”
Yes, He did.
https://www.amazon.com/Jesus-Peter-Keys-Scriptural-Handbook/dp/1882972546
https://www.amazon.com/Upon-This-Rock-Scripture-Apologetics/dp/0898707234/ref=pd_bxgy_img_sccl_2/147-8812487-3766439?pd_rd_w=ECdCT&content-id=amzn1.sym.7757a8b5-874e-4a67-9d85-54ed32f01737&pf_rd_p=7757a8b5-874e-4a67-9d85-54ed32f01737&pf_rd_r=57W6PGKN71T1MRVEPKGG&pd_rd_wg=0bghT&pd_rd_r=157dc0d4-8d4c-4d1b-a277-e819aed4ddf3&pd_rd_i=0898707234&psc=1
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“(Matt. 16:18).
This is Jesus talking (”And I say also unto thee”)
He’s telling Peter (and all who are listening),”Thou art Peter”
“and upon this Rock I will build my Church” (Who is the Rock?) Jesus is the Rock. Peter (or small pebble) is like shifting sand. He is NOT the foundation to build any church.”
Jesus was not referring to Himself as the Rock - as Protestants admit in their better moments:
Albert Barnes
Nineteenth-Century Presbyterian
“The meaning of this phrase may be thus expressed: ‘Thou, in saying that I am the Son of God, hast called me by a name expressive of my true character. I, also, have given to thee a name expressive of your character. I have called you Peter, a rock. . . . I see that you are worthy of the name and will be a distinguished support of my religion” [Barnes’ Notes on the New Testament, 170].
John Broadus
Nineteenth-Century Calvinistic Baptist
“As Peter means rock, the natural interpretation is that ‘upon this rock’ means upon thee. . . . It is an even more far-fetched and harsh play upon words if we understand the rock to be Christ and a very feeble and almost unmeaning play upon words if the rock is Peter’s confession” [Commentary on the Gospel of Matthew, 356].
Craig L. Blomberg
Contemporary Baptist
“The expression ‘this rock’ almost certainly refers to Peter, following immediately after his name, just as the words following ‘the Christ’ in verse 16 applied to Jesus. The play on words in the Greek between Peter’s name (Petros) and the word ‘rock’ (petra) makes sense only if Peter is the Rock and if Jesus is about to explain the significance of this identification” [New American Commentary: Matthew, 22:252].
J. Knox Chamblin
Contemporary Presbyterian
“By the words ‘this rock’ Jesus means not himself, nor his teaching, nor God the Father, nor Peter’s confession, but Peter himself. The phrase is immediately preceded by a direct and emphatic reference to Peter. As Jesus identifies himself as the builder, the rock on which he builds is most naturally understood as someone (or something) other than Jesus himself” [“Matthew” in Evangelical Commentary on the Bible, 742].
R. T. France
Contemporary Anglican
“The word-play, and the whole structure of the passage, demands that this verse is every bit as much Jesus’ declaration about Peter as verse 16 was Peter’s declaration about Jesus. Of course it is on the basis of Peter’s confession that Jesus declares his role as the Church’s foundation, but it is to Peter, not his confession, that the rock metaphor is applied” (Gospel According to Matthew, 254).
Herman Ridderbos
Contemporary Dutch Reformed
“It is well known that the Greek word petra translated ‘rock’ here is different from the proper name Peter. The slight difference between them has no special importance, however. The most likely explanation for the change from petros (‘Peter’) to petra is that petra was the normal word for ‘rock.’ . . . There is no good reason to think that Jesus switched from petros to petra to show that he was not speaking of the man Peter but of his confession as the foundation of the Church. The words ‘on this rock [petra]’ indeed refer to Peter” [Bible Student’s Commentary: Matthew, 303].
Donald Hagner
Contemporary Evangelical
“The frequent attempts that have been made, largely in the past, to deny [that Peter is the rock] in favor of the view that the confession itself is the rock . . . seem to be largely motivated by Protestant prejudice against a passage that is used by the Roman Catholics to justify the papacy” (Word Biblical Commentary 33b:470). https://www.catholic.com/magazine/print-edition/peter-is-the-rock
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THvwSohHYkY
“He denied His Lord three times. That’s not the rock.”
Yes, it is - just not one yet strengthened with the gift of the Holy Spirit yet.
Jesus prophesied that He would establish His Church on Peter.
Jesus prophesied that Peter would deny Him three times.
Jesus forgave Peter.
Trust Jesus. He’s never wrong.
“the gates of hell shall not prevail against it”. The gates of Hell prevailed against Peter.”
Peter went to Hell? Peter was defeated forever by Satan? Ha! You’re actually saying Jesus was wrong, not just Peter. The level you anti-Catholics will go to - even attacking our Lord now just because you can’t believe what the verses actually say. How pathetic!
“Jesus is always the Rock.”
But He named Peter the Rock. Trust Jesus.
” In the Old Testament and New. And Gods Church is not your denomination or any one elses denomination. It’s Gods Chosen People.”
I don’t have a denomination. Protestants have denomination. We have the Church. We are the Church. Founded by Christ, on Peter.
Just keep this up; BB; and you'll probably post Scripture where Jesus called 'peter' SATAN!
Well!
What IS then??
--Snippy_Catholic_Dude(Hail Mary!!)
and drank the same spiritual drink; for they drank from the spiritual rock that accompanied them, and that rock was Christ.NIV Luke 6:48
He is like a man building a house, who dug down deep and laid the foundation on rock. When a flood came, the torrent struck that house but could not shake it, because it was well built.NIV Romans 9:33
As it is written: "See, I lay in Zion a stone that causes men to stumble and a rock that makes them fall, and the one who trusts in him will never be put to shame."NIV 1 Peter 2:4-8
4. As you come to him, the living Stone--rejected by men but chosen by God and precious to him--
5. you also, like living stones, are being built into a spiritual house to be a holy priesthood, offering spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.
6. For in Scripture it says: "See, I lay a stone in Zion, a chosen and precious cornerstone, and the one who trusts in him will never be put to shame."
7. Now to you who believe, this stone is precious. But to those who do not believe, "The stone the builders rejected has become the capstone, "
8. and, "A stone that causes men to stumble and a rock that makes them fall." They stumble because they disobey the message--which is also what they were destined for.
But, since there WAS no NT at the time Christ spoke to Peter, just what DID Peter and the rest of the Disciples know about ROCKS???
NIV Genesis 49:24-25
24. But his bow remained steady, his strong arms stayed limber, because of the hand of the Mighty One of Jacob, because of the Shepherd, the Rock of Israel,
25. because of your father's God, who helps you, because of the Almighty, who blesses you with blessings of the heavens above, blessings of the deep that lies below, blessings of the breast and womb.NIV Numbers 20:8
"Take the staff, and you and your brother Aaron gather the assembly together. Speak to that rock before their eyes and it will pour out its water. You will bring water out of the rock for the community so they and their livestock can drink."NIV Deuteronomy 32:4
He is the Rock, his works are perfect, and all his ways are just. A faithful God who does no wrong, upright and just is he.NIV Deuteronomy 32:15
Jeshurun grew fat and kicked; filled with food, he became heavy and sleek. He abandoned the God who made him and rejected the Rock his Savior.NIV Deuteronomy 32:18
You deserted the Rock, who fathered you; you forgot the God who gave you birth.NIV Deuteronomy 32:30-31
30. How could one man chase a thousand, or two put ten thousand to flight, unless their Rock had sold them, unless the LORD had given them up?
31. For their rock is not like our Rock, as even our enemies concede.NIV 1 Samuel 2:2
"There is no one holy like the LORD; there is no one besides you; there is no Rock like our God.NIV 2 Samuel 22:2-3
2. He said: "The LORD is my rock, my fortress and my deliverer;
3. my God is my rock, in whom I take refuge, my shield and the horn of my salvation. He is my stronghold, my refuge and my savior-- from violent men you save me.NIV 2 Samuel 22:32
For who is God besides the LORD? And who is the Rock except our God?NIV 2 Samuel 22:47
"The LORD lives! Praise be to my Rock! Exalted be God, the Rock, my Savior!NIV 2 Samuel 23:3-4
3. The God of Israel spoke, the Rock of Israel said to me: `When one rules over men in righteousness, when he rules in the fear of God,
4. he is like the light of morning at sunrise on a cloudless morning, like the brightness after rain that brings the grass from the earth.'NIV Psalms 18:2
The LORD is my rock, my fortress and my deliverer; my God is my rock, in whom I take refuge. He is my shield and the horn of my salvation, my stronghold.NIV Psalms 18:31
For who is God besides the LORD? And who is the Rock except our God?NIV Psalms 18:46
The LORD lives! Praise be to my Rock! Exalted be God my Savior!NIV Psalms 19:14
May the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart be pleasing in your sight, O LORD, my Rock and my Redeemer.NIV Psalms 28:1To you I call, O LORD my Rock; do not turn a deaf ear to me. For if you remain silent, I will be like those who have gone down to the pit.NIV Psalms 31:2-3
2. Turn your ear to me, come quickly to my rescue; be my rock of refuge, a strong fortress to save me.
3. Since you are my rock and my fortress, for the sake of your name lead and guide me.NIV Psalms 42:9
I say to God my Rock, "Why have you forgotten me? Why must I go about mourning, oppressed by the enemy?"NIV Psalms 62:2
He alone is my rock and my salvation; he is my fortress, I will never be shaken.NIV Psalms 62:6
He alone is my rock and my salvation; he is my fortress, I will not be shaken.NIV Psalms 62:7
My salvation and my honor depend on God ; he is my mighty rock, my refuge.NIV Psalms 71:3
Be my rock of refuge, to which I can always go; give the command to save me, for you are my rock and my fortress.NIV Psalms 78:35
They remembered that God was their Rock, that God Most High was their Redeemer.NIV Psalms 89:26
He will call out to me, `You are my Father, my God, the Rock my Savior.'NIV Psalms 92:14-15
14. They will still bear fruit in old age, they will stay fresh and green,
15. proclaiming, "The LORD is upright; he is my Rock, and there is no wickedness in him."NIV Psalms 95:1
Come, let us sing for joy to the LORD; let us shout aloud to the Rock of our salvation.NIV Psalms 144:1
Praise be to the LORD my Rock, who trains my hands for war, my fingers for battle.NIV Isaiah 17:10
You have forgotten God your Savior; you have not remembered the Rock, your fortress.NIV Isaiah 26:4
Trust in the LORD forever, for the LORD, the LORD, is the Rock eternal.NIV Isaiah 30:29
And you will sing as on the night you celebrate a holy festival; your hearts will rejoice as when people go up with flutes to the mountain of the LORD, to the Rock of Israel.NIV Isaiah 44:8
Do not tremble, do not be afraid. Did I not proclaim this and foretell it long ago? You are my witnesses. Is there any God besides me? No, there is no other Rock; I know not one."NIV Habakkuk 1:12
O LORD, are you not from everlasting? My God, my Holy One, we will not die. O LORD, you have appointed them to execute judgment; O Rock, you have ordained them to punish......No other rock.............And now you know the Biblical position!