Posted on 10/04/2022 11:05:30 AM PDT by OneVike
Romans 9 clearly teaches Gods Sovereignty in salvation. A child can understand that.
I love these predestination debates. Calvinists believe the since God is omnipotent, he already sees the past and future and knows who is saved and who is not. It is inscribed in the book of life who is saved in the end times. This does not mean that personal choices don’t have an effect on whether or not that individual is saved - those choices have an absolute effect. The difference is that God already knows each person’s heart and cannot change their heart unless they come before God, through Jesus, and give him permission to. That freedom God gives us is our greatest blessing and if we choose wisely, we glorify him and are saved.
So why bother reading the commentary since you are convinced you are right
Why comment if you are not willing to prove I am wrong, by looking at the evidence I put forth?
Exactly
He is not a cosmic rapist who forced His love on us
The concept of Hell as eternal fiery torment of the wicked didn’t come from the Bible, but from Roman Catholicism. For a serious study of this topic, please go to https://www.samuelgdawson.com/uploads/1/1/5/5/115526689/jesus_teaching_on_hell.pdf.
Well I can think of at least one person that hell was created for..... Senator Edward M. Kennedy. Hopefully he is rotting there in absolute pain.
But some will choose to go there, rather than bow the knee to God.
Rev 16:9
You better tell that to Jesus,
And whoever shall offend one of these little ones who believe in Me, it is better for him that a millstone were hanged around his neck and he were cast into the sea. And if your hand offends you, cut it off. It is better for you to enter into life maimed than to have two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched where their worm dies not, and the fire is not quenched.
Mark 9:42-44
Amen
Mead, but true
Well there are always Bill Clinton and Prez Bidet.
I don’t think that belief is just dedicated to Calvinists.
A simple reading of the Psalms shows God knows all, beginning from end and knows everything about everything - start to finish.
People choose their destiny.
People send themselves to hell.
That is NOT the God presented in Scripture even if it is the god presented by Calvinists.
God does not capriciously choose to save some and not others. ALL men are made in His image and He is not willing that any of them should perish, which is why He provided a way of salvation that any person on the planet, regardless of mental or physical ability, station in live, or nationality, can avail themselves of.
2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient towards you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance.
Acts 17:26-27 From one man he made all the nations, that they should inhabit the whole earth; and he marked out their appointed times in history and the boundaries of their lands. God did this so that they would seek him and perhaps reach out for him and find him, though he is not far from any one of us.
Sovereignty does not mean determinism.
Oh I knew we’d have somebody join this thread who would project their wishes about what the Bible says regarding hell.
Mark 9 talks about unquenchable fire for the damned multiple times.
I can post 10 other verses about fiery torment, but you seem to want to substitute your own narrative for what hell is.
Good luck with that! ;)
Then Jesus was wrong about eternal flames and torment, like the rich man endured while Lazarus was in Paradise?
More people are rushing to join him by the day.
Biden, pelosi, fauci, schawb, his evil transhumanist lackey, etc......
2Peter is one of the verses I use to prove that point
Good comment
My thought exactly
Makes me wonder if they are a Jehovah Witness
Don’t forget the parable of the wheat and tares (Matt. 13: 24-30). Both the wheat seeds and the tare seeds were crated as good or bad - one sowed by Jesus the other by Satan - but we could not tell them apart until they had matured (ready for harvest).
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