Posted on 09/23/2021 6:24:05 PM PDT by ebb tide
The traditional Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate had undergone a visitation early on in Pope Francis’ papacy — with very negative effects on the order.
(LifeSiteNews) — The beautiful Carmelite monastery in Fairfield, Pennsylvania, with some 25 nuns dedicated to the traditional form of the Roman rite have received notice that an apostolic visitation will take place September 25–28. The Carmelites have sent out a press release (see full text below) and are asking for prayers and vigils, since such a visitation — which includes interviews of each sister and detailed scrutiny of their lives — is a “stressful trial,” in the words of the press release.
The Carmel of Jesus, Mary and Joseph is served by a hermit, Fr. Maximilian Mary Dean, who had earlier been a Franciscan Friar of the Immaculate. The Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate, an international order dedicated to the spirituality of St. Maxilimian Kolbe, had undergone a visitation early on in Pope Francis’ papacy — with very negative effects on the order.
Due to an increase of vocations, the Carmel of Jesus, Mary, and Joseph founded a new community in 2012 and purchased the land on which to build, with the blessing of their local bishop, Bishop Ronald Gainer of the Harrisburg Diocese.
As the Carmelites characterize their community on the website:
The primary mission of the Carmelite Order is to pray and offer oblation for the Church and the world. The use of the Extraordinary Form of the Mass and Divine Office sets this monastery apart and their observance of the Rule and Constitutions is part of an unbroken tradition stretching back from Mexico to Spain to Mount Carmel itself in the Holy Land.
The Carmelites continue:
Steeped in the rich tradition of their heritage, these Discalced Carmelites in the rural farmlands of Pennsylvania live out the centuries-old rule of their Holy Founders, St. Teresa of Avila and St. John of the Cross. Completely in communion with the Roman Catholic Church and under the approval of the diocesan Bishop of Harrisburg, the nuns trace their roots back to sixteenth century Spain and seventeenth century Mexico. They are one of six other traditional foundations from the Carmel in Valparaiso, Nebraska.
These nuns are in the middle of a large building project, “seeking to re-create the beauty of the monasteries of old.” LifeSite has heard from numerous Catholic laypeople who travel from afar to visit this monastery and profit from the beauty and deep spirituality of these nuns. The nuns now ask that the faithful come to their chapel and attend prayer vigils throughout the entire time of the Apostolic Visitation. LifeSite has not yet learned more about the reason for this visitation. We will update our reporting as soon as we learn more.
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The reason for the visitation is that the Pope is evil. Or at any rate, Bergoglio is evil.
The latter is correct.
Don’t forget explain what pre councilor means in TLM talk.
Maybe you should first learn how to spell it.
Then you can look it up for yourself. You have a lot to learn, amihow.
Yes, he is evil.
Prayers up for Holy Mother Church.
Spell check wrong? Big deal to some small twisted minds. You are just not capable of a straight answer to a straight question. It is thought by many that TLM people are just plain arrogant and nasty. Could you please answer my question and so demonstrate that you are not one of the nasties?
Like I said, learn how to spell the word and look it up for yourself.
I’m not about to spoon feed you.
Now we know what people mean about the rigid in our midst. And albeit the spelling error, the term can mean prior to any ecumenical Council lol.
Because "many" solely have experience with TLM people through arguing on Internet forums like this one. They've never been to a TLM parish, never known regular people from a TLM community, and probably never even went to a TLM to see what the fuss was all about.
You want to talk arrogant and nasty in the Catholic Church today? I'll point you right to Francis. I'll point you right to those lib Boomers who think they can invent their own morality and theology as they see fit, and when you try to point out to them that they are in implacable opposition to the faith delivered for all time to the saints, they insufferably declare..."***I*** know what the Church teaches...***I***had 12 years of Catholic school!"
Nothing more arrogant and nasty than a person frozen in an 18-year-old's understanding of theology and Church history who hasn't cracked a book on those topics since.
You certainly have a point. But, the duty of obedience to the legitimate authority of popes, bishops and Church is asked of us all.
I have known lots of people who attend both liturgies, but none denigrate the TLM Mass itself. On the other hand TLM people often denigrate the N.O.
It is not a sin to dislike it, or hold that it was a mistake, or to wish for it to be suppressed and go away, etc.
Depending on what you mean by "denigrate," Catholics may be well within their rights to do so.
I go to (what I would call) a reverent NO parish, but I really love the Byzantine rite and would be tempted to switch rites if it were easy and practical (it is neither). I don't have any qualms of conscience over my preference for the Byzantine Rite over the NO. I think both it and the TLM are superior to the NO, although all three confect a valid Eucharist and do everything else the Mass is supposed to do. I don't understand people who insist on lockstep liturgical uniformity. "Say the black, do the red", as long as it's an approved rite. I don't have to like what you like, and vice versa.
Do you not think Almighty God is rigid?
Why did He give Moses the Ten Commandments?
Why did He flood the earth?
Why are there souls in Hell?
Lol Ebb. Where is your mind that you can ask such a question? TLM rigidity is not analagous to any God’s revealed attributes.TLM rigidity is divisive and destructive. Those TLM people who spout the whirlwind of words like the articles you post criticizing the Novus ORDO, V2, and argue with the play yard nastiness you sometimes exhibit are guilty of causing the Pope’s imprudent moves toward limiting the TLM.
Grow up. Quit criticizing a valid Ecumenical Council. Quit criticizing the NOVUS ORDO.
Is the talking mule planning to close this site to reduce expenses?
How so?
No communion in the paw, no guitars, no eucharistic monsters, no altar girls? Is that your "rigidity"?
Here is a way to pass the time while waiting:
https://www.amazon.com/When-Prophecy-Fails-Psychological-Destruction/dp/0061311324
You meant Bogus Ordo.
Did you know VC II never called for a “new mass”, amihow?
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