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[Catholic Caucus] Damage Control: Cupich Hides Again Behind A Priest
Gloria TV ^ | August 29, 2021 | Gloria TV

Posted on 08/30/2021 10:10:47 AM PDT by ebb tide

Damage Control: Cupich Hides Again Behind A Priest

The pastor of the St Joseph Parish in Libertyville, Father John Trout, issued a statement (below) claiming that it isn't true that Chicago Cardinal Cupich ordered to cease praying to St Michael after Mass.

This contradicts what his associate priest, Father Emanuel Torres-Fuentes (ordained in 2018), said last week during a live-stream, “Following the directive of Cardinal Cupich, we want to remind everyone that the prayer to Saint Michael is not to be said publicly following Mass.”

According to Trout, Cupich declared that "the recitation of prayers must never interfere with, interrupt or distract from the public liturgy of the Church,” and that “such prayers must always foster the unity of the Church, which is [allegedly] guaranteed by the Successor of Peter.”

The priest's statement then explains that Father Torres-Fuentes "misspoke" when he "falsely attributed statements to Cardinal Cupich.“ The decisive point is that after this verbiage the Saint Michael prayer will not continue at St Joseph.

Reciting this prayer after Mass was introduced in 1886 by Leo XIII and abolished with the 1969 Novus Ordo. Francis to whom Trout refers, recommended the prayer in September 2018.

Cupich has a history of passing the buck to his priests.

Picture: Blase Cupich, © Mazur, CC BY-NC-SA, #newsHeifjvzwvg



TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Prayer
KEYWORDS: apostate; cupich; franciscardinal

1 posted on 08/30/2021 10:10:47 AM PDT by ebb tide
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2 posted on 08/30/2021 10:11:18 AM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide

There’s something fishy about this pr-—

OH COME ON! HIS NAME IS TROUT!!! YOU KNOW YOU WERE THINKING IT, TOO!!!!


3 posted on 08/30/2021 10:15:19 AM PDT by dangus
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To: ebb tide

I think that what happened was probably that the priest was saying these prayers after all of his NO masses and Cupich caught wind of it.

They were required after all low Masses prior to VII and the NO mass, but they were suppressed then and hence are not part of the NO mass. Technically, saying them counts for adding a part of the Old Mass to the NO mass, which is forbidden. So I think Cupich told him to stop saying these prayers publicly after his (NO) masses.

It’s still a prohibition, but Cupich can claim that he didn’t stop the praying of these prayers but was simply guarding the “purity” of the NO liturgy, Notice he mentions something about that in his letter.

Therefore, he was able to force the priest to say that the priest “misspoke.”


4 posted on 08/30/2021 10:18:02 AM PDT by livius
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To: ebb tide

PRAYER TO ST. MICHAEL THE ARCHANGEL

Sancte Michael Archangele, defende nos in proelio; contra nequitiam et insidias diaboli esto praesidium. Imperat illi Deus; supplices deprecamur: tuque, Princeps militiae coelestis, Satanam aliosque spiritus malignos, qui ad perditionem animarum pervagantur in mundo, divina virtute in infernum detrude. Amen

Saint Michael the Archangel, defend us in the battle, be our safeguard and protection against the wickedness and snares of the devil; may God rebuke him, we humbly pray; and do thou, O Prince of the heavenly host, by the power of God, thrust into hell Satan and all evil spirits who wander through the world seeking the ruin of souls. Amen.


5 posted on 08/30/2021 10:19:11 AM PDT by dsc (Thus have I had thee, as a dream doth flatter, In sleep a king, but waking no such matter.)
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To: livius

Actually, these prayers are not part of the TLM or the NO. They are not part of the Mass at all. They were required to be said AFTER each low Mass, and are not said at all after a high Mass. Both facts indicate they are not part of the Mass itself. So Cupich is way off base. They are not interfering in any way with the liturgy because the liturgy has already been completed by the time these prayers are said. Kind of like how the Manager’s Report in baseball occurs AFTER the game is over.


6 posted on 08/30/2021 10:24:52 AM PDT by scouter (As for me and my household... We will serve the LORD.)
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To: livius
Technically, saying them counts for adding a part of the Old Mass to the NO mass, which is forbidden.

I don't think that's true. The prayers were never a "part of the Mass".

7 posted on 08/30/2021 10:28:38 AM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: livius
The Last Gospel, however, was once part of the Mass and it was lopped off at VC II.

What We Lost When We Lost the Last Gospel

This reading, in the course of time, was added to the Eucharistic service on account of the great reverence the early Christians entertained for this portion of the Gospel and because it contains a summary of the benefits of which we are made partakers through Christ’s Sacrifice. The service was introduced by the prayer of the priest: ‘Send forth Thy Light and Thy Truth!’ It could not be concluded in a more becoming manner than with the words, ‘AND THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH, and dwelt among us; and we saw His glory, the glory as of the Only-begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.’ At the words ‘AND THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH’, the priest and the people kneel on one knee in token of adoration of the mystery of the Incarnation, which is expressed in these words, and to indicate that the Son of God came from Heaven to earth. When the priest has finished the reading of this Gospel, the server answers, ‘Deo Gratias’—‘Thanks Be To God.’ These are the last words of the Mass.

8 posted on 08/30/2021 10:42:28 AM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide

The prayers weren’t a part of it, but they were required at the end. It was written and added to the required Leonine Prayers in 1886 by Pope Leo XIII. so, yes, while it wasn’t part of the Mass per se, they were required prayers upon ceasing the liturgical part.

They were dropped from the NO, which caused a great deal of distress to the people. They are considered suppressed and part of the TLM, and thus not supposed to be attached to the end of the NO and led by the priest (Cupich said laypeople could recite it privately).

In some dioceses, however, the bishop has actually permitted their resroration at the end of NO masses. But technically, they’re not supposed to be led by the priest, and that’s what Cupich used as his excuse.


9 posted on 08/30/2021 11:25:03 AM PDT by livius
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To: livius
They are considered suppressed and part of the TLM, and thus not supposed to be attached to the end of the NO.

Again, that is not true. If it was, the prayers would also have been recited after High Masses prior to VC II.

The Oath against Modernism, required of all priests, was also never part of the Mass; yet Montini rescinded it in 1967. He cleaned the slate for the New Springtime, the New Pentecost, et al.

10 posted on 08/30/2021 11:41:00 AM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: livius

Important distinction: these prayers currently, and thru-out the past, are said AFTER the liturgy concludes. They have never been any part of the Holy Mass.


11 posted on 08/30/2021 3:31:31 PM PDT by Marchmain (boo!)
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