Posted on 07/17/2021 6:57:18 AM PDT by fishtank
Friday, July 16, 2021 “ Good thing the infallible Pope is able to correct the mistakes of the former infallible Pope so Catholics can be certain of their traditions Pope Francis abrogates Pope Benedict's universal permission for Old Mass
“Previous norms, instructions, permissions, and customs that do not conform to the provisions of the present Motu Proprio are abrogated.” “
(Excerpt) Read more at triablogue.blogspot.com ...
Which path to choose: The Commandments of God or the traditions of man. Quite the conundrum.
Is it really maintained by Catholics that their Popes are infallible? If so I may have a doctrinal difference with my Catholic friends?
"When a pope issues a document motu proprio, it means he does so by his own motivation. As Catholic News Service puts in its style guide, “Popes use it to signal a special personal interest in the subject.” The phrase motu proprio does not refer to a document itself, but rather the manner in which a document is released. That is, a document is released motu proprio when the pope wants to change or enact an existing church rule—or when he has something to say that is not in reply to a request or a petition but instead comes from his own interest in a particular matter."
https://www.americamagazine.org/faith/2017/09/21/when-pope-releases-statement-motu-proprio-its-important-why
Papal infallibility applies only in rare and strictly circumscribed conditions. It has nothing to do with ordinary disciplinary measures. It’s ignorant to assert otherwise, not to mention deeply unchristian and ugly to gloat over the troubles of a religious body that you happen to disapprove of.
I gotta get new glasses. I read that the “inflatable pope” is now correcting the “infallible pope”.
If we believe that Vatican II was a break from earlier teachings, which most traditional Catholics believe, then we haven't had a valid pope for close to 60 years.
So we either have to twist our minds in such a way so as to get Vatican II and its aftermath to jibe with thousands of years of prior consistent teaching, or we have to believe that those people who were in the Chair were imposters for not condemning the council. Even Popes such as JPII and Benedict who are more beloved of traditionalists scandalized the Church with their hamfisted attempts at ecumenism.
The only hope I think we have is to find some 90 year old priest who was ordained by a pre-conciliar bishop and make him Pope long enough to denounce Vatican II, retire all of the heretical cardinals, and fill the cardinalate with traditionalists. Then when he goes to meet his Maker, the stage will be set for a true renewal of the Church.
In extremely limited circumstances, the last one was 1950. This canard gets very old.
What Mass is used has nothing to do with infallibility.
The Roman Catholic doctrine of Papal Infallibility tells us that a Pope is only protected by the Holy Spirit from errors when he speak Ex-Cathedra, i.e , from the Chair of St. Peter and only on Ecclesiastical Doctrine that affects matters of Faith and Practice.
I am not Catholic, but have been observing the pope since I got int erested in this doctrine of Papal Infallibility. I have NOT YET seen any Pope speak Ex-Cathdra in my lifetime.
By the very latin name “Motu Proprio” the claim in the title of your article is debunked.
Anyone who makes a statement of this kind is profoundly ignorant of what the Church teaches about papal infallibility and needs to educate themselves before they make such ridiculous and snarky remarks.
Yes, especially when it comes to things like global warming and EUA vaccines. 🤡
“...find some 90 year old priest who was ordained by a pre-conciliar bishop and make him Pope long enough to denounce Vatican II, retire all of the heretical cardinals, and fill the cardinalate with traditionalists. Then when he goes to meet his Maker, the stage will be set for a true renewal of the Church.”
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Benedict XVI’s so-called resignation failed to meet the clear requirements of Catholic Canon Law. Presumably he is tanned, rested and ready to admit that he has remained both the Bishop of Rome AND the Vicar of Christ all this time. Will he do?
Several years ago, a devout Catholic told me that the pope ( John Paul II at the time) was infallible and could do no wrong.
Because you 1) Too the time to read on what the 1870 Definition of Papal Infallibility is and 2) When it has been used.
The Council of Trent in 1563 restricted numerous versions of the Roman Rite (Liturgies). Only ones that had been in place I think since 200 years prior to the Council were allowed to still be celebrated. So for example the Ambrosian Rite in Milan Italy is still celebrated there, the Mozarabic is still celebrated in Iberia.
What is being talked about her of course is the Missal for the the Mass from the Council of Trent which was first codified in 1570, 7 years after the Council.
The entire confusion goes back to Latin. The Council of Trent said very little about Language, all It said was in response to the Protestants that anyone who says that the Liturgy can “only be celebrated in the vernacular” (which is what the Reformers were saying and was obviously a direct attack on the Catholic Liturgy) was anathema. The Council of Trent never said celebrating the Liturgy in the vernacular was forbidden or anathama nor did it say it had to be celebrated in Latin.
At the Council of Trent, there were Eastern Catholic Churches in Communion with Rome who celebrated Liturgies
in Languages other than Latin. The Maronite Catholics in Lebanon used Aramaic and Arab. The Byzantine Eastern Churches in Sicily and Southern mainland Italy used Greek, etc, etc.
Does anybody believe the Pope is incapable of Math or Spelling errors?
but I think where the comment is showing insight is in exposing the office of the papacy as extremely flawed, and with this occupant, actually very, very evil
there’s something wrong with a system that would put such a wicked human being position into prominence, and call him the vicar of Christ, or really, anything other than an anti-Christ
I read “inflatable pope”.
When I was in my 20's the thought of Ratzinger becoming Pope was only an amazing dream that I thought could never come true. The impossible happened, but it turned out to be a big "meh".
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