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[Catholic Caucus] Vatican: Mass in St. Peter’s Basilica must be in Italian, not Latin
LifeSite News ^ | June 30, 2021 | Michael Haynes

Posted on 06/30/2021 7:41:12 PM PDT by ebb tide

[Catholic Caucus] Vatican: Mass in St. Peter’s Basilica must be in Italian, not Latin

Latin will only be permitted in the ‘fixed parts’ of the Mass, the ‘Kyrie, Gloria, Sanctus, Pater and Agnus.’

VATICAN CITY, June 30, 2021 (LifeSiteNews) — The Vatican has moved to ban Latin, the traditional language of the Catholic Church, from the celebration of most Masses in St. Peter’s Basilica.

The traditional blog MessainLatino.it broke the news and posted a picture of a note sent by Msgr. Franco Camaldo, who wrote on behalf of the Cardinal Archpriest of the Vatican, Cardinal Mauro Gambetti, O.F.M., who was appointed by Pope Francis earlier this year.

Camaldo wrote that the new rules coming into force are the result of the June 9 Vatican Chapter meeting and were based on what was “proposed” at the meeting, combined with “mature reflection.”

As of June 29, wrote Camaldo, the Eucharistic celebrations would follow the procedure already in use in “papal celebrations.” That is to say Mass would be celebrated only in “Italian,” with the readings and prayers of the faithful permitted to be said in “various modern languages.”

Latin would only be permitted in the “fixed parts” of the Mass, the “Kyrie, Gloria, Sanctus, Pater and Agnus.”

The new rules will apply to the recitation of the Liturgy of the Hours, as well, as the note states that such recitation “may also be celebrated in Italian,” although keeping the Gregorian melody. Some Latin will be retained, but only for the “Hymn, Antiphon, Benedictus, Magnificat and Pater.”

This change will not be as immediate as the changes seen in the Mass, and will instead occur in the “near future,” since time is needed to prepare the necessary “booklets.”

Msgr. Camaldo gave a further directive concerning the arrangements of the daily Mass in the Vatican, stating that Chapter members were to concelebrate Mass at 7:30 in the morning, which would be followed by communal recitation of the office of Lauds. Chapter members could also concelebrate at 5 p.m.

No provision for private Masses was made for members of the Chapter.

Increased antagonism toward Latin

The latest rules come on the back of the spring directives regarding private Masses and Traditional Latin Masses in the Vatican. In a March 12 letter, private Masses were abruptly “canceled,” Masses limited to concelebration at set altars between the hours of 7 and 9 a.m., and celebration of the Extraordinary Form (or Latin Mass) was limited to a small altar in the crypt, also in the hours of 7 to 9 a.m.

Cardinal Gambetti issued his own note on June 22 in an attempt to clarify the earlier note, which had not born his signature. His tone suggested slightly more freedom than the March 12 letter, as he noted priests would be allowed to offer Mass at different altars than the ones prescribed, on the occasion of a saint’s feast if his remains are kept in the Basilica.

Requests for private Masses would be assessed on a “case-by-case basis,” wrote Gambetti. However, he warned against such permissions becoming the norm, saying that care must be taken to “ensure that what is exceptional does not become ordinary, distorting the intentions and meaning of the Magisterium.”

Gambetti also announced that “everything possible must be done to fulfill the wishes of the faithful and priests as laid down in the Motu Proprio Summorum Pontificum,” although he did not elaborate any further on what such provision would look like in practice.

The Second Vatican Council’s document on the liturgy, Sacrosanctum Concilium, had stipulated in paragraph 36: “Particular law remaining in force, the use of the Latin language is to be preserved in the Latin rites.”

Paragraph 56 stated that “steps should be taken so that the faithful may also be able to say or to sing together in Latin those parts of the Ordinary of the Mass which pertain to them.”

The document also outlines the prescription for use of Latin in the Divine Office: “In accordance with the centuries-old tradition of the Latin rite, the Latin language is to be retained by clerics in the divine office.” Sacrosanctum Concilium only granted “individual cases” for the recitation of the Office in the vernacular, in instances where poor mastery of Latin constituted a “grave obstacle to their praying the office properly.”

Gambetti himself just last week had written about the “importance of understanding the language in the liturgy” for pilgrims to the Vatican. Some statistics do not even place Italian inside the 15 most commonly spoken languages in the world.

Increased rumors of prohibition of Traditional Latin Mass

The restriction on Latin inside the Vatican comes in tandem with a report by Paix Liturgique, according to which Cardinal Pietro Parolin, the Secretary of State for the Vatican, spoke to a group of cardinals about the Extraordinary Form, saying, “We must put an end to this Mass forever!” The news outlet did not provide further details about the time or setting of the comments.

Furthermore, Paix Liturgique also wrote that Archbishop Arthur Roche, the new Prefect of the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments (CDW) and an opponent of the Traditional Mass, apparently laughingly spoke to English-speaking seminary directors in Rome, and members of the Curia: “Summorum Pontificum is practically dead! We’re going to give the power back to the bishops on this, but especially not to the conservative bishops.”

Pope Francis has reportedly finished the third draft of a document that would restrict the use of what is known as the Extraordinary Form of the Roman Rite.


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Theology; Worship
KEYWORDS: apostatepope; dictatorpope; francocamaldo; mercilesspope; satanhateslatin
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1 posted on 06/30/2021 7:41:13 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: Al Hitan; DuncanWaring; Fedora; irishjuggler; Jaded; JoeFromSidney; kalee; markomalley; ...

Ping


2 posted on 06/30/2021 7:41:51 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide

I’m old enough to remember when the Pope was Catholic.
But that was back before they banished sin.
And Catholic Popes.


3 posted on 06/30/2021 7:42:32 PM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: Clemenza

“Put it in Aramaic.”

LOL


5 posted on 06/30/2021 7:47:37 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: ebb tide

The Vatican under the command of Pope Francis is busy rebuking ownership of firearms for personal protection to the cheers of Islamic followers as well as decrying attempting any evangelical conversion of islamists plus suppressing followers of the pre Vatican 2 liturgy form including the latin mass
But when it comes to other forms of mono theistic beliefs such as the One World Abu Dhabi Movement. Francis refuses to say one word disclaiming and decrying what practice adherents of the Islam code Sharia not only claim, but truly believe that God has authorized them to any evil means using force or decption used to convert is justified as well as kill those who refuse to submit to their version of Gods will .also seems to ignore what Our Savior went through to establish the new covenant

By refusing to question and expound on the profound differences with the claims made by Islam and its followers Reaching out to and defend what Judeo/Christian beliefs are.Or challenge claims that Islamist make they are following God’s command using deceit and deception when ruthlessly murdering and torturing non believers and destroy their edifice .Smply because of its assertion of being monotheistic. Then winds up making a point of honoring it and placing it on an equal level because of that claim. Is leading to misguided conversions which is the result of my so called Pope playing games with this so called mono theistic cult and is creating a serious fracture within Christianity and The Roman Rite


6 posted on 06/30/2021 7:57:58 PM PDT by mosesdapoet (AKA Lee J Keslin posting in the hopes comments get passed around )
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To: ebb tide

Italian is already very close to Latin anyway.
This sounds like somebody who, for whatever reason, does not want Latin spoken at Mass. Maybe it seems ‘too’ authentic.
Well, it is an authentic feature, and that’s a good thing.


7 posted on 06/30/2021 8:00:55 PM PDT by lee martell
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To: plain talk

The First Mass as said in Aramaic.


8 posted on 06/30/2021 8:26:55 PM PDT by LibFreeUSA
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To: ebb tide

Begging your pardon; but this man is an idiot.


9 posted on 06/30/2021 8:31:35 PM PDT by Albion Wilde ("Let us not talk falsely now, the hour is getting late." —Bob Dylan)
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To: LibFreeUSA

Ok. So?


11 posted on 06/30/2021 8:34:52 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: ebb tide

It’s almost seems like the devil is in charge in Rome these days. Almost. Just like he thought he was in charge in Jerusalem in AD 33.


12 posted on 06/30/2021 8:38:30 PM PDT by Antoninus (Republicans are all honorable men.)
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To: Antoninus

Anti-Pope in the flesh is in charge. Next to come is the Anti-Christ.


13 posted on 06/30/2021 8:43:59 PM PDT by carikadon (Don't mess with Texas)
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To: ebb tide

Dragons. Dragons are laying waste to the Church. God protect Her.


14 posted on 06/30/2021 8:44:33 PM PDT by lastchance
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To: Da Coyote

Pagan idols, abortion, infanticide, sexual predation, no Latin, gay is cool, let’s call the whole thing off.


15 posted on 06/30/2021 9:04:37 PM PDT by SaxxonWoods ( comment might be sarcasm, or not. It depends. Often I'm not sure either.)
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To: LibFreeUSA

The civil war in the Catholic Church over Latin Mass has precious little to do with the Latin language’s merits or lack thereof. It’s not about Latin. It’s about the Catholic left’s war on the conservative/traditionalist cohort that has adopted Latin Mass as the centerpiece of its subculture. In other words, Bergoglio and his ilk pretend to hate Latin Mass but in reality they actually hate the *people* who like Latin Mass. It’s somewhat analogous to the American left’s war on Donald Trump. They pretend that they just hate Trump himself when the reality is the larger issue that they hate the people who like Trump. It’s like some pretentious leftist telling you that he hates NASCAR, but what he really means is that he hates the people who like NASCAR.


16 posted on 06/30/2021 9:09:10 PM PDT by irishjuggler
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To: ebb tide; All

Catholic leader causes uproar as he voices support for ‘Big Bang’ theory

“When we read in Genesis the account of creation, we run the risk of imagining that God was a magician with a magic wand able to do everything. But that is not so.”

These words might sound as if they came from some controversial preacher. But they did not. They were spoken by Pope Francis to an audience from the Pontifical Academy of Science Oct. 27, according to Newsweek. In that speech, he officially affirmed that the Catholic Church believes in both evolution and the Big Bang theory, although with the addition of God into the equation.

“The Big Bang that today is considered to be the origin of the world does not contradict the creative intervention of God,” Francis said to his audience. “On the contrary, it requires it.

Francis then went into further detail about exactly how the universe was created. He said creation was not one single event, but that it “went forward for centuries and centuries, millennia and millennia until it became what we know today.”

https://www.liberty.edu/champion/2014/11/pope-affirms-evolution/

anymore questions about this pope?


17 posted on 06/30/2021 9:13:38 PM PDT by Bob434
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To: ebb tide

The Kyrie is in Greek, not Latin.


18 posted on 07/01/2021 2:37:45 AM PDT by NTHockey (My rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners. And to the NSA trolls, FU)
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To: plain talk

The consecration in the Maronite Rite is in Aramaic.


19 posted on 07/01/2021 6:28:17 AM PDT by Campion (What part of "shall not be infringed" don't they understand?)
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To: ebb tide

So the Catholic Church is no longer traditional, or respectful of its own history and development. The current regime, as Francis declared, intends to go down in history as dividing the Church. The new “magisterium” has taken effect.

Can we call ourselves Catholics anymore?


20 posted on 07/01/2021 12:06:52 PM PDT by Marchmain (safe, legal and wrong)
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