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The Sunset of a Papacy. Pope Francis also has his fans against him.
Rorate Caeli ^ | June 16, 2021 | Antonio Socci

Posted on 06/18/2021 5:05:34 PM PDT by ebb tide

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1 posted on 06/18/2021 5:05:34 PM PDT by ebb tide
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2 posted on 06/18/2021 5:06:45 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide

Seems like Pope Francis is doing the same thing to the Papacy, that Joe Biden is doing to the presidency. And it ain’t strengthening it or perpetuating it.


3 posted on 06/18/2021 5:08:39 PM PDT by Richard Axtell ( NO*)
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To: Richard Axtell

It’s called Div(ision)ersity. it’s supposed to be better than unity (according to experts).


4 posted on 06/18/2021 5:11:54 PM PDT by BipolarBob (Who is John Galt and is he vaccinated?)
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To: ebb tide

Bye, bye, Bergoglio. Soon, please, dear Lord.


5 posted on 06/18/2021 5:20:25 PM PDT by Bigg Red (Trump will be sworn in under a shower of confetti made from the tattered remains of the Rat Party.)
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To: ebb tide

A leftist demon with a mission to destroy the church .


6 posted on 06/18/2021 5:25:28 PM PDT by ncalburt (Gop DC Globalists is a )
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To: ebb tide

“Never has the Church been so conformist and so irrelevant in the world on questions of enormous importance for all of mankind.”

Harsh.


7 posted on 06/18/2021 5:38:27 PM PDT by Marchmain (If you're vaccinated, why do I need to wear a mask?)
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To: ncalburt

Yep


8 posted on 06/18/2021 5:39:04 PM PDT by ZULU (Impeach John Roberts, Coney-Barrett, Kavanaugh and Gorsuch. TRAITORS)
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To: ebb tide

Great piece but the author loses me at the end with this:

“In conclusion, there is a third possibility: Pope Francis could acknowledge that the attempt to give a future to the Church by adapting it to a worldly mentality has failed and the right road is that of John Paul II and Benedict XVI. It seems impossibile [sic] - like miracles. But they can happen.”

Bergoglio and his ilk will never reverse course and admit that their modernist agenda failed. At this very moment, they’re busy attributing their failures to the Latin Mass subculture and “rigid” priests and seminarians. In other words, it’s not that their vision of a Catholic Church that has gone “full on Episcopalian” and remade itself in the image of liberal protestantism was tried and failed, but rather that it still hasn’t yet been tried. (Why they would possibly think that liberal protestantism’s playbook would work for them when it never even worked for the liberal protestants themselves is a question that only a modernist true believer can answer).


9 posted on 06/18/2021 5:45:38 PM PDT by irishjuggler
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To: ebb tide

If Frankie dies before Benedict, would they elect another pope?


10 posted on 06/18/2021 6:20:48 PM PDT by Bloodandgravy (Power likes to walk on crooked legs)
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To: Richard Axtell

Just what I was thinking.


11 posted on 06/18/2021 6:32:16 PM PDT by Missouri gal
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To: Richard Axtell

The very least Francis could be doing is besides raising theological questions on the assertions made in the Islamic codex (which is their code of observance and behavior) known as Sharia, and should be defending the Chinese Catholics.
Ignores this http://www.theusmat.com/islamandfreewill.htm
and also seems to ignore what Our Savior went through to establish the new covenant , Then Plays with suppressors of the faith

Francis continuing destructive confusing pontificating on temporal worldly social behavior,which has nothing to do with and avoids articles of faith and morals rebukes or restrains contemplative religious orders to favor such behavior .

By refusing to question and expound on the profound differences with the claims made by Islam and its followers Reaching out to and defend what Judeo/Christian beliefs are.Or challenge claims that Islamist make they are following God’s command using deceit and deception when ruthlessly murdering and torturing non believers and destroy their edifice .Smply because of its assertion of being monotheistic. Then winds up making a point of honoring it and placing it on an equal level because of that claim. Is leading to misguided conversions which is the result of my so called Pope playing games with this so called mono theistic cult and is creating a serious fracture within Christianity and The Roman Rite .


12 posted on 06/18/2021 6:56:13 PM PDT by mosesdapoet (AKA Lee J Keslin posting in the hopes comments get passed around )
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To: irishjuggler

Lost you at the end?

Anyone who writes an article this long about the comings and goings of Bergoglio is thinking WAY too much about why things are the way they are.

For Pete’s sake, his personal motto, Hagan Lió, translated in context, is “Raise hell.”


13 posted on 06/18/2021 6:58:19 PM PDT by one guy in new jersey
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To: irishjuggler

“Why they would possibly think that liberal protestantism’s playbook would work for them”

The answer lies in contrasting definitions of “work for them.”

That means one thing to the faithful, but to Bergoglio it means weaken the church, drive away worshipers, make Christianity look stupid and hypocritical in the eyes of the world, and even kill the church.

To the modernists, worse is better.


14 posted on 06/18/2021 9:01:28 PM PDT by dsc (Abortion is the axe laid to the roots of the tree of human rights.)
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To: Bloodandgravy

Yes.


15 posted on 06/18/2021 9:52:00 PM PDT by Marchmain (If you're vaccinated, why do I need to wear a mask?)
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To: dsc

I definitely agree with you the utter destruction of Christianity is the motivation of the most Satanic among them. And there are also the gays who don’t necessarily have a larger agenda but are simply hellbent on dismantling the Church’s historical opposition to their lifestyles and are willing to demolish as much of the Church as is necessary to accomplish the homosexual agenda. And these overlapping groups perhaps account for the majority of the modernist liberals we’re talking about.

Still, though, I think there remains some element of misguided liberal who, despite all evidence to the contrary (in every nation, in every decade and an every context), honestly and truly believes that if only the Church “got with the times” and went “all in” on liberalism (on sexuality, abortion, women priests, etc etc.), that people would come flooding back.

Such a mentality has zero basis in reality, of course, but the truth is that I actually hear that kind of thing from some lay heterosexual Catholics in San Francisco.


16 posted on 06/18/2021 9:58:09 PM PDT by irishjuggler
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To: irishjuggler

Yes, you’re right. I used to rack my brain trying to figure that out, then this guy waltzes in and ‘splains the whole thing in a single article.

https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3920426/posts


17 posted on 06/18/2021 10:18:14 PM PDT by dsc (Abortion is the axe laid to the roots of the tree of human rights.)
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To: dsc

Interesting link. Thanks.


18 posted on 06/18/2021 11:21:22 PM PDT by irishjuggler
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To: dsc

Missed it first time around. Not sure how. Am glad to have been pointed to it by you for the first time today. Knew the jist of it inherently but had a hard time expressing that nugget of wisdom to others. Have now learned the powerful and compelling vocabulary necessary to do that.

This passage was particularly impactful:

“Most concerningly, psychopathic ideologies reliably generate (temporary but) functional psychopathy in otherwise normal people who, by means of these manipulations, become sufficiently convicted fellow travelers with and sympathizers to the ideology. Quite literally, aside from the direct effects of demoralization and the destabilization caused by the growing drift of their beliefs away from reality and toward unreality (pseudo-reality), a psychopathic ideology makes its sympathizers believe and act in psychopathic ways themselves, at least in a functional sense. These are the demands and costs of upholding the paralogic (so as not to be a “fool” in pseudo-reality) and paramorality (so as not to be the wrong kind of person in pseudo-reality), and slowly these victims of the ideology become the monsters they were too weak to fight. As noted previously, virtues like tolerance and empathy are intentionally perverted until they begin to bifurcate so that they carry a political valence (paramorality good, morality bad) that increasingly favors the pseudo-real ideology and becomes legitimately psychopathic as the effect strengthens.

“Eventually, a normal person subjected to these circumstances ceases to be normal. This occurs when they “awaken” to a “full consciousness” in the pseudo-reality. At that point, they will have reached a place where, from their perspective, pseudo-reality is reality and reality is the pseudo-reality. That is, they will be psychopathic themselves, in thrall to the paralogic of the pseudo-real delusion and with bifurcated and narrowed ethics and moral virtues under its paramoral system. Presumably, in the majority of such previously normal people, this effect is temporary and contingent upon participation in the cult, though it is likely that some of the relevant psychological damage will be long-lasting, if not permanent. Nevertheless, in the short term, the result of this dynamic is a growing body of functionally and legitimately psychopathic people accruing more and more power for themselves, which they use (in psychopathic ways) to enforce their ideological pseudo-reality on everyone, most notably everyone else.

“This process is quite exquisite. The deficiencies of the paralogic, caprice of the paramorality, and dissonance around the pseudo-reality itself will all tend to engender in the susceptible normal person a similar sense of distress about inhabiting reality as the pseudo-reality exists to enable. Obviously, this is convenient for recruitment, indoctrination, and eventual (psychopathic) reprogramming because the pseudo-reality is constructed in such a way as to enable those specific psychopathologies to flourish and avoid detection and treatment. In this regard, one might refer to the spread of a psychopathic ideology and its pseudo-reality by now-familiar phrases like “the madness of crowds,” which is more apt than one might realize at first blush, and even sociopolitical “zombification.”

“Importantly, this circumstance implies that the average “fellow traveler” in a cult ideology not only does not realize they’re a cultist who is using tools and tactics of manipulation (paralogic and paramorality) on people in their lives, both normal and ideologically “awakened” fellow cultists; they cannot realize this without first abandoning the paralogic and paramorality that has captured them and rejecting the ideological pseudo-reality in a fundamental way. They find themselves in the broken position not only of being functionally psychopathic but also of being reality-inverted such that they believe all normal people who are not (yet) cultists are the cultists while they, themselves, are not. This represents a complete reversal of sanity, and the conversion of normal to ideologically psychopathic is, by that point, complete. These people, as many have learned the hard way throughout history, are the otherwise good people who are capable of perpetrating genocides.”


19 posted on 06/19/2021 1:12:36 AM PDT by one guy in new jersey
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To: ebb tide

Worst Pope Ever!!
Worst American president Ever!!


20 posted on 06/19/2021 4:01:14 AM PDT by Joe Boucher (You Go Donald.)
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